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PostSubject: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:25 am

So I am dipping my little toes back into the Oklahoma city bombing and Tim McVeigh. It has been a few years since I last dabbled in it.

I am looking for the full 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley from March 12th 2000. But I am only finding little snippets, a few minutes here, a few minutes there, etc. Does a full run, uncut, version still exist? Also does anyone have a link to the full run interview?  scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:28 am

I will help you look. :-) But I don’t know where it is. He is actually from my hometown he went to school with my God cousin.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:32 am

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I will help you look. :-) But I don’t know where it is. He is actually from my hometown he went to school with my God cousin.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:59 pm

I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. He was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  Haha

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:03 pm

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I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  Haha


Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:06 pm

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I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  Haha


Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?



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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:27 pm

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I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  Haha


Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?



Yes.

Thank you kindly for sharing.  ding ding ding

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:52 pm

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:10 pm

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McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.


I'm well schooled in Tim McVeigh, and the case. I am just revisiting and going back over my research on everything. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:41 pm

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McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.


I'm well schooled in Tim McVeigh, and the case. I am just revisiting and going back over my research on everything. Smile
I've been interested in McVeigh as well, pretty fascinating guy.
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:11 am

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself. Haha

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trial. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:21 am

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I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:38 am

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I didn't know that, interesting!



I think Tim mentions the affair briefly in the book American Terrorist. But don't hold me to that, I'll have to dig my copy out and check. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:42 am

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I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Agreed. The whole case was and still is very interesting to me, which is why I decided to get back into it. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 am

It seems to be true. I cannot post links yet but I found that article from The New York Time untitled: National Briefing | Plains: Oklahoma: Nichols's Ex-Wife Tells Of Affair
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:47 am

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I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Agreed. The whole case was and still is very interesting to me, which is why I decided to get back into it. Smile

I don't remember a ton about the case, I was pretty young but all this info is really interesting to me, I want to look into it again too.

See I wish some people would understand that THIS is a terrorist... the angry kids with the guns and pipe bombs are NOT terrorists... they don't want words to have ANY meaning anymore. It can mean whatever you want. I'm going to start calling my phone a grape, because reasons.

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:48 am

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It seems to be true. I cannot post links yet but I found that article from The New York Time untitled: National Briefing | Plains: Oklahoma: Nichols's Ex-Wife Tells Of Affair

Yes. It was indeed true. There were several articles about it when the trial was going on.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:48 am

I also found that:

"Press reports have alleged (see February 28 - March 4, 1997) that McVeigh and Marife Nichols had an affair during the summer of 1994; lawyers do not broach the subject during the trial. [CNN, 5/9/1997; NEW YORK TIMES, 5/10/1997; NEW YORK TIMES, 5/16/1997] Marife Nichols will confirm the affair in 2004. [NEW YORK TIMES, 4/9/2004]"
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:49 am

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Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?




Yes. Silly little fangirls. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:54 am

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I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?



Yes. Silly little fangirls. Rolling Eyes


Rolling Eyes Shocked

Why am I not surprised?

The most disturbing to me are the Richard Rameriez and Ted Bundy fans... these guys brutalized and raped women... I think we have all had that discussion already.. but it's still not something I understand.

Are there any infamous criminals with no fans? I don't think a ton of gals lust over Lanza.. sorry, OT. I always do that Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:00 am

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I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?



Yes. Silly little fangirls. Rolling Eyes


Rolling Eyes Shocked

Why am I not surprised?

The most disturbing to me are the Richard Rameriez and Ted Bundy fans... these guys brutalized and raped women... I think we have all had that discussion already.. but it's still not something I understand.

Are there any infamous criminals with no fans? I don't think a ton of gals lust over Lanza.. sorry, OT. I always do that Embarassed

Anyhoo.

Unfortunatley I think Lanza has fangirls too... I don't think Stephen Paddock has fangirls, too old for that I guess. Devin Patrick has none too, this guy is so repulsive, especially when you know how he was with his wife.
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:27 pm

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Dear Sir,

I’m writing to you because i’ve been writing to Timothy McVeigh, ever since his sentencing in 1997, and have never gotten any reply from him. I realize that Timothy may not wish to write to me, but since I don’t know that for certain, I have no peace of mind. I called your prison recently and asked if I could speak with him, but was told, nicely, that that wouldn’t be possible. The woman I spoke with (I can’t remember her name unfortunately) told me that Timothy was alright, and I was very grateful to her for that, but I’ve had a feeling of great unrest nevertheless, especially recently. I’m afraid that Timothy isn’t alive anymore. I called the American consulate here in Hamburg, and the man I spoke with suggested that I write to you.

I hope I haven’t done anything to upset Timothy. I’m sending him a copy of this letter. I would like to say that I can’t imagine that Timothy is responsible for what happened in Oklahoma City, and it’s impossible for me to connect him with it. At the same time though, I don’t mean to slight anyone or say that they’re lieing.

I would be exceedingly grateful to you if I heard from you.

Yours sincerely,
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This was a letter written to Timothy McVeigh from a woman living in Germany. He had never responded to any of her letters, but she still wrote him for years. She thought he was dead and even called the Prison to confirm he was still alive. The last page is the letter the Prison sent back to her.

Just thought that was interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:33 pm

Wow, some people are really motivated! And she's not even American.
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:35 pm

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Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me. Haha

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:41 pm

I wonder if when they saw him laughing, they still found him scaring or impressive, especially if they often saw him.
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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:40 pm

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I wonder if when they saw him laughing, they still found him scaring or impressive, especially if they often saw him.


From everything I have read on Tim McVeigh he was just a funny type guy in general, and liked playing around. It is well documented that he was always cracking jokes with his lawyers, etc. I doubt they were afraid of him.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:35 pm

I've heard stuff about McVeigh and strippers, anyone know about that?

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:02 pm

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I've heard stuff about McVeigh and strippers, anyone know about that?


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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:12 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  Read my posts above. I actually mentioned it.
Oh, I've heard about that. I saw on of those "tag yourself" memes on tumblr for murderers where it said McVeigh told secrets to strippers and another where it was a drawing of him talking to one of the Boston bombers saying that he told jokes to strippers and I was wondering what was up with those.

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PostSubject: Re: Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh   Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:20 pm

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Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me. Haha

Makes me wonder if Eric would've acted the same way in court.

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