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PostSubject: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:11 am

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Stand Your Ground, the notorious Florida law that has allowed the likes of George Zimmerman to get away with murder, has struck again.

This time in Clearwater, Fla. as an argument over a handicapped parking spot ended in a 28-year-old black man being gunned down. Markeis McGlockton was shot and killed – collapsing and dying in front of his five-year-old son – after he was shot by 47-year-old Michael Drejka last Thursday afternoon.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri announced that they will not arrest Drejka despite video showing him killing McGlockton over a handicap parking space at a convenience store.

Gualteri said that the senseless killing falls under Florida’s “stand your ground” law which gives immunity to those who claim to be in fear of their lives and use force to defend themselves. The law has led to a number of instances in which people have been gunned down under dubious circumstances, including those when the shooters instigated the confrontations.

“[The shooting] is within the bookends of ‘stand your ground’ and within the bookends of force being justified,” Gualteri said, later adding, “I’m not saying I agree with it, but I don’t make that call.”

The department will forward the case to the State Attorney’s Office for a final decision, Gualtieri said. The began when Drejka, who according to store regulars had a history of antagonizing and threatening patrons over handicapped spaces, confronted McGlockton’s girlfriend, Britany Jacobs, about parking in a handicap space without a permit.

Surveillance video shows McGlockton, who was in the store at the time, coming up to Drejka and shoving him to the ground. Seconds later, Drejka pulls out a gun and shoots McGlockton in the chest.

McGlockton runs back into the store, before collapsing in front of his son. He was pronounced dead on the scene. Gualtieri said Drejka told deputies that he was he was in fear of being attacked again.

Jacobs, who had been with McGlockton since they were in high school and is the mother of his three children, fought back tears talking about the killing and says that the shooter instigated the incident by coming up to her car.

She says McGlockton was the one defending her.

“He’s getting out like he’s a police officer or something, and he’s approaching me,” she said to the Tampa Bay Times. “I minded my own business. I didn’t do anything wrong.”

Gualtieri, who is also a lawyer, said the outcome may have been different before the “stand your ground” law, which has since put the burden of proof on prosecutors and not defense attorneys. He noted that there’s a pause of a few seconds before shoots McGlockton. “That pause gives me pause,” the sheriff said, invoking an adage: “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”

Drejka does not have a criminal history in Florida, but in 2012 a driver accused him of pulling a gun during a road rage incident. Drejka denied he showed the gun, and the accuser declined to press charges.

A couple of months ago, Rick Kelly says he stopped by the store, parking his tanker truck in the same handicap spot. Much like what happened on Thursday, Drejka walks around the truck checking for decals, then confronts Kelly about why he parked there.

Kelly says a fight escalated and Drejka threatened to shoot him.

“It’s a repeat,” Kelly told the Tampa Bay Times. “It happened to me the first time. The second time it’s happening, someone’s life got taken. He provoked that.”







WOW! Killing someone over a parking spot?! Sure it pisses me off to see someone parking in a Handicap designated spot if it's obvious they don't need to. But to start a confrontation over it, and then shoot someone. Evil or Very Mad No

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:11 pm

Well, he did shove him to the ground. And while yeah, he probably didn't intend to kill him, assault can be met with equal or greater force. Maybe if he would of kept his temper, he would of kept his life.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:28 pm

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Well, he did shove him to the ground. And while yeah, he probably didn't intend to kill him, assault can be met with equal or greater force. Maybe if he would of kept his temper, he would of kept his life.



I agree the man overreacted, and did start the physical altercation.  But I'm on the fence on this. Drejka had issues with harassing people over this very thing. Also he seemed to have a tendency of pulling his gun on people if you go by the article.

Also if you watched the video, the man who shoved him to the ground clearly backed down when he saw the gun, and clearly started backing away from him BEFORE Drejka shot him.  

Maybe it was an accident, maybe not. I'm waiting to see what else is said about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:58 pm

The guy should be charged with murder. I don't see a "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" the man didn't advance on him after he pushed him down and even retreated after the gun was pulled. Being shoved to the ground isn't enough justification to "stand your ground". That's not mentioning the guy was fishing for an altercation arguing over a parking violation.

I think the police have to revisit this one and arrest the shooter.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:16 pm

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The guy should be charged with murder. I don't see a "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" the man didn't advance on him after he pushed him down and even retreated after the gun was pulled. Being shoved to the ground isn't enough justification to "stand your ground". That's not mentioning the guy was fishing for an altercation arguing over a parking violation.

I think the police have to revisit this one and arrest the shooter.


My take as well. He knew the man was backing away, and still fired. I'm unclear as to whether it was an accident or on purpose.  Does he say anywhere, "yes I intentionally pulled the trigger"? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:39 pm

I don't feel a need to be polit-correct or polite here, I might as well be Ericquesque in my reply: "Fucker should be shot", very glad he got shot.

The guy parks in handicapped parking spot (for that alone warrants a decent amount of pain), then he has the nerve to physically attack a guy who points it out to him. I'm glad Drejka shot him, would have shot him myself. Good riddens.

US law is often crazy, but this is one case where it clicks and allows people to stand up to losers like that. I hope that woman sues Drejka in court, loses and then will have to pay court fees.
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:47 pm

The video shows it was deliberate. He pulls the gun, aims, and then pulls the trigger.

No reaction that it was an accident and even keeps the gun pointed at the victim after the shot.  


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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:18 pm

Just hope they won't turn this into a race thing I'm sure Drejka would of shot him no matter what race he was.
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:10 pm

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The video shows it was deliberate. He pulls the gun, aims, and then pulls the trigger.

No reaction that it was an accident and even keeps the gun pointed at the victim after the shot.  


It also proves that he wasn't the attacker. He was standing there talking and the thug attacked him, violently throwing him to the ground. Drejka didn't pull the gun at anyone until he was atatcked.

Violence was met with violence. If that thug kept his hands to himself, he would have lived.

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Just hope they won't turn this into a race thing I'm sure Drejka would of shot him no matter what race he was.
Who knows, maybe he's an BLM activist or maybe he's a crazy racist. That's not really the point.

Drejka was violently attacked and he shot only as a reaction to that attack. The assilant is the one at fault here, he broke the law and used violence against Drejka when Drejka was just talking and not even facing him. Drejka defended himself and I hope the judge will agree with me.

I'm no big fan of easy gun laws. But if there is one good thing about easy gun law, it is cases wlike these where random people suddenly can have an edge over violent thungs.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:42 pm

From the article the man was said to have been defending his girlfriend who was still sitting in the car. Who was being verbally attacked by Drejka. Did he overreact by putting hands on the older man? In my opinion yes. Was that shove enough to draw a gun? Possibly if Drejka truly feared for his life. But he fired AFTER the guy had already back several feet away from him.

He was clearly the one in control after the weapon was pulled. So IF he deliberately pulled the trigger then yes, I think he needlessly murdered this man. Just my own opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:51 pm

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From the article, man was said to have been defending his girlfriend who was still sitting in the car.

Defending against what? A guy talking to her? The camera is clear - Drejka is not assulting anyone, he is not trying to brake the window or get into the car.

If Drejka assulted them verbally, they could just respond verbally and drive off after paying the fine for parking on the handicapped space. I think that's probably what sparked the attack - the assilant thought that if he strikes Drejka he will be able to jump in and drive away without having to pay the fine.

There's a very fine line between cussing someone out and violently attacking people like that thug did. He introduced violence to the encounter and paid the price. Good riddens.

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He was clearly the one in control after the weapon was pulled.
So? He's been in control only because he drew the gun and he drew the gun only because the thug attacked him. The thug was more than happy to attack and hurt him as long as he felt that he is in control. I think Drejka is justified in thinking he would be hurt much more if he did not draw the gun.

The law should firmly stand on the side of the citizens, not on the side of violent criminals and thugs.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm

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From the article, man was said to have been defending his girlfriend who was still sitting in the car.

Defending against what? A guy talking to her? The camera is clear - Drejka is not assulting anyone, he is not trying to brake the window or get into the car.

If Drejka assulted them verbally, they could just respond verbally and drive off after paying the fine for parking on the handicapped space. I think that's probably what sparked the attack - the assilant thought that if he strikes Drejka he will be able to jump in and drive away without having to pay the fine.

There's a very fine line between cussing someone out and violently attacking people like that thug did. He introduced violence to the encounter and paid the price. Good riddens.

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He was clearly the one in control after the weapon was pulled.
So? He's been in control only because he drew the gun and he drew the gun only because the thug attacked him. The thug was more than happy to attack and hurt him as long as he felt that he is in control. I think Drejka is justified in thinking he would be hurt much more if he did not draw the gun.

The law should firmly stand on the side of the citizens, not on the side of violent criminals and thugs.



Well we clearly don't see eye to eye on this. SO lets just leave it at that.Haha

Either way BOTH were wrong. Drejka for verbally confronting a stranger over a parking spot, that may still lead to him being charged with murder. McGlockton for reacting in a violent manner that ended up costing his life, and likely traumatizing his child for the remainder of his.

There were no winners here.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:34 pm

Drejka doesn't have any authority to hand out fines. It really wasn't his place to confront her about parking in a handicap space....he was simply being a busybody.

McGlockton was wrong to come out and shove him to the ground, but the response from Drejka was not justified...not even under the very lenient "Stand Your Ground" law.

I suspect police will change positions and Drejka will be arrested and charged.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:47 pm

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Drejka doesn't have any authority to hand out fines. It really wasn't his place to confront her about parking in a handicap space....he was simply being a busybody.

I'm not saying the fine should be paid to him. They should have waited for the police, sheriff or whoever else is in charge of that.

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McGlockton was wrong to come out and shove him to the ground, but the response from Drejka was not justified...not even under the very lenient "Stand Your Ground" law.

I suspect police will change positions and Drejka will be arrested and charged.
Drejka's reaction was radical, but he was the one being attacked not the other way around. Charging him would send the wrong signal to people - that if you defend yourself against a thug, the law will go after you and not the thug.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:57 pm

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Stand Your Ground, the notorious Florida law that has allowed the likes of George Zimmerman to get away with murder, has struck again.

Judging from the very first sentence of the article I'm sure this article is unbiased in it's entirety.  Rolling Eyes 

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This time in Clearwater, Fla. as an argument over a handicapped parking spot ended in a 28-year-old black man being gunned down.

Take a look at that. The very second sentence of the article and they're already talking about race, trying to insinuate that this was some sort of violent hate crime. How much do you wanna bet that a group of far-left jackasses are going to use this as an excuse to start burning down buildings and shooting at cops for like the umpteenth time?

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:04 pm

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The guy should be charged with murder. I don't see a "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" the man didn't advance on him after he pushed him down and even retreated after the gun was pulled. Being shoved to the ground isn't enough justification to "stand your ground". That's not mentioning the guy was fishing for an altercation arguing over a parking violation.

I think the police have to revisit this one and arrest the shooter.

You don't see don't see an "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" when a 28 year old man pushes an handicapped 47 year old man to the black top when he is just standing there?
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:10 am

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Stand Your Ground, the notorious Florida law that has allowed the likes of George Zimmerman to get away with murder, has struck again.

Judging from the very first sentence of the article I'm sure this article is unbiased in it's entirety.  Rolling Eyes 

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This time in Clearwater, Fla. as an argument over a handicapped parking spot ended in a 28-year-old black man being gunned down.

Take a look at that. The very second sentence of the article and they're already talking about race, trying to insinuate that this was some sort of violent hate crime. How much do you wanna bet that a group of far-left jackasses are going to use this as an excuse to start burning down buildings and shooting at cops for like the umpteenth time?



I do agree that the wording within the article is somewhat leading or misleading, depending on how you look at it. But that's basically journalism in a nutshell.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:18 pm

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You don't see don't see an "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" when a 28 year old man pushes an handicapped 47 year old man to the black top when he is just standing there?

No. Just because you're pushed down/punched/smacked doesn't mean your life is in immediate danger.

The footage shows deadly force was just not necessary. Im as right-wing as you can be on guns but this guy was wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:32 pm

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The footage shows deadly force was just not necessary. Im as right-wing as you can be on guns but this guy was wrong.


Agreed.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:02 pm

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You don't see don't see an "imminent threat of serious bodily harm and/or death" when a 28 year old man pushes an handicapped 47 year old man to the black top when he is just standing there?

No. Just because you're pushed down/punched/smacked doesn't mean your life is in immediate danger.

The footage shows deadly force was just not necessary. Im as right-wing as you can be on guns but this guy was wrong.

What is the 47 year old's handicap? Either way, its not good to push old people down. Maybe not the life in danger, but still serious bodily harm.
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:22 pm

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The footage shows deadly force was just not necessary. Im as right-wing as you can be on guns but this guy was wrong.

Well I'd be considered very left-wing in America as far as gun rights are concerned. I think 95% or mroe of US citizens should have their guns taken away.

With all that, I still say this is one good examplke where US gun laws show some positive apsects. This guy was attacked by a thug much larger than himself and would have been beaten to a bloody pulp if it weren't for teh fact that he had a gun.

Granted, in most cases its criminals with firearms who initiate an event like this. Criminals benefit more from a high density of firearms in the general population. USA would be much safer if it had Poland's laws and Poland's gun ownership rates.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:11 pm

Dreijka wasn't just having a polite conversation with the girlfriend, he was yelling at her and causing enough of a disturbance that one guy went inside to tell the gas station attendant what was going on.  All McGlockton knew was that some crazy guy was yelling at his wife with his kids still in the car.  Pushing him out of the way was probably not the best response, but I think this situation is a little more complicated than, "Thug dies after picking fight with armed man."

Also, Drejka had threatened to kill a man previously for parking in a handicapped spot.  He seems a little unhinged or just another wannabe cop like Zimmerman.

Edit: Kind of irritated by girlfriend saying, "I have a right to park wherever I want to park" but that's another story.
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:44 pm

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Dreijka wasn't just having a polite conversation with the girlfriend, he was yelling at her and causing enough of a disturbance that one guy went inside to tell the gas station attendant what was going on.  All McGlockton knew was that some crazy guy was yelling at his wife with his kids still in the car.  Pushing him out of the way was probably not the best response, but I think this situation is a little more complicated than, "Thug dies after picking fight with armed man."

Where I come from having a heated debate is legal, while a phsyical atatck like that is treated as assault and attemptng body injury.

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Also, Drejka had threatened to kill a man previously for parking in a handicapped spot.  He seems a little unhinged or just another wannabe cop like Zimmerman.

Never said the guy was nice or even normal. Regardless if he was normal or not, after being attacked by that guy everyone in his shoes would have a good reason to shoot.

If I was in Florida, knew the laws and was attacked like that, I would have shot the guy without thinking twice about it. If you have a gun and find yourself in a situation where the law is on your side, why do otherwise?Of course its possible that the Florida law is vague enough to cause a lenghty trial or something, then I would just threaten him with the gun, or force him to lie down with hands on his head and called for the city guard.

But if the law was clear and I'd know the law is on my side, I would have shot that guy.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:20 pm

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A Florida man was charged with manslaughter on Monday for fatally shooting another man on July 19 during an argument over a parking spot, after police initially declined to arrest him due to the state's "stand your ground" self-defense law, officials said.

Alleged shooter Michael Drejka was taken into custody on Monday, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. The suspect was 47 at the time of the crime but turned 48 last week, according to the county jail.

Police had initially not charged Drejka over the July 19 shooting due to the 2005 law, which grants residents the right to use deadly force if they reasonably believe they are at risk of great harm or death. The case was sent to the state attorney's office for further review.

"I support the state attorney's decision and will have no further comment as the case continues to work its way through the criminal justice system," said Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri in a statement on Monday.

The shooting occurred when Drejka got involved in a shouting match outside a Clearwater, Florida, grocery store with a woman who allegedly parked in a spot reserved for handicapped people without the proper permit, the sheriff's office said.

The woman's boyfriend, 28-year-old Markeis McGlockton, approached Drejka and shoved him to the ground, at which point Drejka drew his licensed concealed handgun and shot McGlockton in the chest while his girlfriend and 5-year-old son were inside the store, the sheriff's office said. It said that Drejka said he was in fear for his life at the time.

Surveillance video of the event went viral online, sparking criticism of the "stand your ground" law on social media. The fact that alleged shooter Drejka is white and victim McGlockton was black also sparked charges that way the law is applied ignored racially-fueled crimes.

The law removed the legal responsibility to retreat from a dangerous situation and allowed the use of deadly force when a person felt greatly threatened. It inspired similar laws in other states and was cited as a factor in the fatal 2012 shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin by a volunteer neighborhood watch member.

Backers of "stand your ground" laws say they deter crime.

It was not immediately clear if Drejka had retained a lawyer or if he remained in custody on Monday afternoon.





I was kind of expecting this. But damn people lets not make this about RACE! Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:57 pm

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But damn people lets not make this about RACE! Evil or Very Mad

Too fuckin late. 

I hope the guy gets acquitted.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Told You.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:44 am

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Told You.

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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:36 pm

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CLEARWATER, Fla. — The State Attorney's Office for Florida's Sixth Judicial District has reviewed the controversial 'stand your ground' case into the death of Markeis McGlockton and has decided to file a manslaughter charge.

An arrest warrant was issued on Monday morning and Pinellas County detectives arrested Michael Drejka. He is being booked into the Pinellas County Jail and bond has been set at $100,000.

McGlockton, 28, was shot and killed on July 19 by Drejka, 47, outside of a convenience store in Clearwater, Florida. The shooting stemmed from a dispute over a handicap parking spot between Drejka and McGlockton's girlfriend.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said, "I support the State Attorney's decision and will have no further comment as the case continues to work its way through the criminal justice system."

Drejka has a concealed carry license.

Statement from Attorney Ben Crump in response to Michael Drejka being charged with manslaughter:

“My first thought on hearing this news was: It’s about time. I firmly stand behind the decision by the State Attorney's Office to charge Michael Drejka with manslaughter for killing Markeis McGlockton. This self-appointed wannabe cop attempted to hide behind ‘Stand Your Ground’ to defend his indefensible actions, but the truth has finally cut through the noise. I have full faith that this truth will prevail to punish this cold-blooded killer who angrily created the altercation that led to Markeis’ needless death. We will continue to fight until justice is brought for the family of Markeis McGlockton.”

Statement from Clearwater Attorney Michele Rayner:

“On behalf of the family of Markeis McGlockton, I commend the office of State Attorney Bernie McCabe for charging Michael Drejka with manslaughter for his cold-blooded actions. This is a big step forward in the direction of justice, not only for Markeis’ family but also for society as a whole.”

Statement from the family of Markeis McGlockton:

“The announcement that Michael Drejka will be charged with manslaughter provides our family with a small measure of comfort in our time of profound mourning. While this decision cannot bring back our partner, our son, our father, we take solace in knowing our voices are being heard as we work for justice. This man killed Markeis in cold blood, without a second thought about the devastating impact his actions would have on our family, but this charge gives us a measure of hope that the truth will win and justice will prevail in the end.”





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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:26 am

Absolute joke to think if your intimidated you can end a life
Isn’t this the reason we have tasors
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PostSubject: Re: Florida 'Stand your ground' shooter now facing charges. + Updates   Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:36 am

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Absolute joke to think if your intimidated you can end a life
Isn’t this the reason we have tasors  

True. But Florida has some issues. Haha

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