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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.

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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy

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Did the Klebolds sell that house or do they still live there?

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Rumor has it that Tom still lives there and Sue still lives in the Denver area.

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I believe if either of the boys would have had smex, the massacre would never have happened.

Someone needs to alert the FBI's BAU about this "smex" thing. If it is as powerful as you seem to think it is, we could potentially save many lives.


LOL!   I agree here [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  It always amazes me the amount of people who think a simple piece of ass would have been a cure all. As if a vagina is some magical thing. Haha

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Well, I mean who doesn't like or want sex? Smile Of course it might be different for both men and women.

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Cruz wasn't a virgin either.

I think people overestimate the impact of "being a virgin" and underestimate the impact of "having no decent love life whatsoever".

Cho was not a virgin. Little good did that do for him.

What? Cho was a virgin.

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I believe if either of the boys would have had smex, the massacre would never have happened.

Someone needs to alert the FBI's BAU about this "smex" thing. If it is as powerful as you seem to think it is, we could potentially save many lives.


LOL!   I agree here [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  It always amazes me the amount of people who think a simple piece of ass would have been a cure all. As if a vagina is some magical thing. Haha

You mean it’s not ?! affraid


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Sadly no it's not. No I happen to own one, and I can attest to the fact that there is simply nothing magical about it. No rainbows shooting out, no puffs of glitter, etc. Haha
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Hi, I'm new.

However, I think that at least for Dylan it could have made him reconsider. As long as he'd look at the world through rose-tinted glasses. I mostly think that because of how obsessed he seemed with love in some of his diary entries... I also noticed it's a common pattern among lonely & unstable people to get very invested in relationships. It often makes them feel fulfilled when that part of their life goes well- for a moment. Still their shallow stability only lasts for a short while. I could even imagine that, if he got deeply involved with someone and they disappointed him, his anger would have shifted towards that person. Just a bit of speculation but I could imagine that. He'd get very focused on his love for a while and feel better- and if it didn't work out, or heck even if he'd just feel a mild disappointment, he'd end up raging against them. Maybe leading him to get even more out of some act like the shooting in hope to hurt them. Because I also suspect the suicidal part was the most important aspect. So his anger might have shifted towards something else.

After the lovey-dovey phase wears off I'd think he'd treat them like some friend though. And we know they didn't care if their friends died. No idea about Eric. But again, people with certain mindsets tend to get invested in stuff like that. Well it's all just speculation anyway.

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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.
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Cruz wasn't a virgin either.

I think people overestimate the impact of "being a virgin" and underestimate the impact of "having no decent love life whatsoever".

Cho was not a virgin. Little good did that do for him.

What? Cho was a virgin.

I am sure I remember that he used the services of prostitutes. Of course nobody revealed any intimate details and one escort simply reported dancing for him and then going awya as he didn't seem to have enough money and was pushy.

Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. I don't think this mattered much for his mental state and the reasons behind the attack though.

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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.

I disagree. Incel is a new thing and I don't think they, especially Dylan, committed the massacre because they could not get laid.

I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this. Saying "hey girls, wanna stop a school shooter, you know what to do!"

We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres.

They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in. Someone like Eric was growing up with a military father like Wayne, Kevin was a golden boy and he had OCD issues, health issues and was smaller than them both. I get that too. I had a lot of health issues growing up and people do treat you differently.

So no, it is not as simplistic as bullying or not getting laid. A lot of kids in HS are not having sex and that is okay.

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They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in.

I often read that on this forum, but I wasn't a teen in the late 90s so I don't understand what was that special back then, especially since I have the impression (probably wrong) that things have become even worse.
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t wasn't even that back then was worse. It was a lot of kids feeling trapped and stuck and wanting more and if you were the least bit different you were tortured.. I am sometimes surprised the interest has lasted this long. After my 15 year or so hiatus from Columbine (I was a researcher since day 1. Founded a few things too LOL) I took a peak into it again and was surprised that these gals who were like 2 when it happened were still like "Eric is cute!" etc..

No one really cared about your feelings or opinions, you had to brush it off. In some ways it is easier for kids. Granted you have ostracized troubled kids falling through the cracks (Nikolas Cruz) but for the most part if you were kids like Eric and Dylan with parents who had dinner on the table, taught you manners and didn't beat you, you should be a shining example. There was no way THEY could have problems. I think there has also been talk about Dylan and his giftedness. That comes with a whole slew of pressure and I don't know how anyone can read Dylan's journals and say he was not troubled

. Then you have a troubled kid like Eric and with the culture of Columbine at the time and the rejection, bullying, anger, boredom... it becomes a powder keg. It was the first time we also felt unsafe. If you were a teenager coming home from school on 4/20. I remember it like it was yesterday, my mom was making dinner and she had the news on. She told me two men had taken a school hostage in black masks and swatzikas, I watched Patrick Ireland fall out of the window and I was in tears. Then they showed Eric and Dylan's pictures on the screen and I was dumbfounded, I told my mom I don't think you're right, these are regular kids. It scared me having empathy for two people who killed. I had never felt that before. I was raised very much like Dylan in a place like Littleton

Going back to school the next day was hard, you felt scared and most of us in suburban areas didn't feel scared of anything. We rode our bikes all day until the street lights came on. Eric and Dylan showed us how fragile our existences can be. It affected me more than 9/11 oddly enough. I used to live in NYC and would go down the Chambers street for work and I wouldn't really think about it, but I go by Clement Park today and I'm in tears.

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It was the first time we also felt unsafe. If you were a teenager coming home from school on 4/20. I remember it like it was yesterday, my mom was making dinner and she had the news on. She told me two men had taken a school hostage in black masks and swatzikas, I watched Patrick Ireland fall out of the window and I was in tears. Then they showed Eric and Dylan's pictures on the screen and I was dumbfounded, I told my mom I don't think you're right, these are regular kids. It scared me having empathy for two people who killed. I had never felt that before. I was raised very much like Dylan in a place like Littleton

I understand better, and I can imagine it must have been very weird and people may have become a little paranoid. I mean, obviously for adults because since it was the beginning of a sad phenomenon they could think "Kids can do that. Young people, teenagers can kill. Our son can fool us and murder people" And for teenagers themselves of course, because it could be your classmate, your friend, your neighbor... Violence is much more scary when it's not done by the typical offenders, when it's not only in sensitive areas. And also although it probably started before, maybe at least in the 80s, maybe the generation and cultural gap between parents and the children was very large which increased the feeling that you don't really know your own child (for example violence in the movies and the video games, the music...)
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It was the first time we also felt unsafe. If you were a teenager coming home from school on 4/20. I remember it like it was yesterday, my mom was making dinner and she had the news on. She told me two men had taken a school hostage in black masks and swatzikas, I watched Patrick Ireland fall out of the window and I was in tears. Then they showed Eric and Dylan's pictures on the screen and I was dumbfounded, I told my mom I don't think you're right, these are regular kids. It scared me having empathy for two people who killed. I had never felt that before. I was raised very much like Dylan in a place like Littleton

I understand better, and I can imagine it must have been very weird and people may have become a little paranoid. I mean, obviously for adults because since it was the beginning of a sad phenomenon they could think "Kids can do that. Young people, teenagers can kill. Our son can fool us and murder people" And for teenagers themselves of course, because it could be your classmate, your friend, your neighbor... Violence is much more scary when it's not done by the typical offenders, when it's not only in sensitive areas. And also although it probably started before, maybe at least in the 80s, maybe the generation and cultural gap between parents and the children was very large which increased the feeling that you don't really know your own child (for example violence in the movies and the video games, the music...)

You're exactly right. My cousins went to a school closer to me, it had a great theatre program that I really wanted to be a part of but it was also not considered safe. There were a LOT of gangs and violence, there were police presence every day and my parents said I had to be bused to the safer more academically excellent school, but a shooting like Columbine didn't happen in a school like my cousins, it happened in a school like mine....by kids who looked like me and were part of similar clubs etc... terrifying.


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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.

I disagree. Incel is a new thing and I don't think they, especially Dylan, committed the massacre because they could not get laid.

I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this. Saying "hey girls, wanna stop a school shooter, you know what to do!"

We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres.

They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in. Someone like Eric was growing up with a military father like Wayne, Kevin was a golden boy and he had OCD issues, health issues and was smaller than them both. I get that too. I had a lot of health issues growing up and people do treat you differently.

So no, it is not as simplistic as bullying or not getting laid. A lot of kids in HS are not having sex and that is okay.

The term is new, not the idea. It seems to me straightforward in his writing that Dylan felt no hope because he felt he'd never find love.  As incels are apt to say, it's not "tfw no sex", it's "tfw no gf". I don't think Brooks pointed out that they died virgins for no reason, and don't think the significance of that is about merely 'getting laid'.

"I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this." Seems like an appeal to consequences. Yeah, it means the sexual revolution has a role in this, leaving low status men out of the market for women. Elliott Rodger is exhibit a. That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

"We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres." Well, I'm not talking about them, and it seems to me there are several attacking women directly. Rodger, Sodini, Lepine, Hennard, et al.

I agree it's not as simplistic as bullying or "not getting laid", but I think the feeling of failure with women is a bigger factor than bullying for their anger at society.

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Cruz wasn't a virgin either.

I think people overestimate the impact of "being a virgin" and underestimate the impact of "having no decent love life whatsoever".

Cho was not a virgin. Little good did that do for him.

What? Cho was a virgin.

I am sure I remember that he used the services of prostitutes. Of course nobody revealed any intimate details and one escort simply reported dancing for him and then going awya as he didn't seem to have enough money and was pushy.

Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. I don't think this mattered much for his mental state and the reasons behind the attack though.

that was james holmes, not cho
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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.

I disagree. Incel is a new thing and I don't think they, especially Dylan, committed the massacre because they could not get laid.

I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this. Saying "hey girls, wanna stop a school shooter, you know what to do!"

We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres.

They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in. Someone like Eric was growing up with a military father like Wayne, Kevin was a golden boy and he had OCD issues, health issues and was smaller than them both. I get that too. I had a lot of health issues growing up and people do treat you differently.

So no, it is not as simplistic as bullying or not getting laid. A lot of kids in HS are not having sex and that is okay.

The term is new, not the idea. It seems to me straightforward in his writing that Dylan felt no hope because he felt he'd never find love.  As incels are apt to say, it's not "tfw no sex", it's "tfw no gf". I don't think Brooks pointed out that they died virgins for no reason, and don't think the significance of that is about merely 'getting laid'.

"I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this." Seems like an appeal to consequences. Yeah, it means the sexual revolution has a role in this, leaving low status men out of the market for women. Elliott Rodger is exhibit a. That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

"We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres." Well, I'm not talking about them, and it seems to me there are several attacking women directly. Rodger, Sodini, Lepine, Hennard, et al.

I agree it's not as simplistic as bullying or "not getting laid", but I think the feeling of failure with women is a bigger factor than bullying for their anger at society.
Weren't Robyn and Susan their g/fs though?
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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.

I disagree. Incel is a new thing and I don't think they, especially Dylan, committed the massacre because they could not get laid.

I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this. Saying "hey girls, wanna stop a school shooter, you know what to do!"

We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres.

They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in. Someone like Eric was growing up with a military father like Wayne, Kevin was a golden boy and he had OCD issues, health issues and was smaller than them both. I get that too. I had a lot of health issues growing up and people do treat you differently.

So no, it is not as simplistic as bullying or not getting laid. A lot of kids in HS are not having sex and that is okay.

The term is new, not the idea. It seems to me straightforward in his writing that Dylan felt no hope because he felt he'd never find love.  As incels are apt to say, it's not "tfw no sex", it's "tfw no gf". I don't think Brooks pointed out that they died virgins for no reason, and don't think the significance of that is about merely 'getting laid'.

"I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this." Seems like an appeal to consequences. Yeah, it means the sexual revolution has a role in this, leaving low status men out of the market for women. Elliott Rodger is exhibit a. That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

"We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres." Well, I'm not talking about them, and it seems to me there are several attacking women directly. Rodger, Sodini, Lepine, Hennard, et al.

I agree it's not as simplistic as bullying or "not getting laid", but I think the feeling of failure with women is a bigger factor than bullying for their anger at society.

Weren't Robyn and Susan their g/fs though?

No. Robyn had a crush on Dylan, he apparently didn't feel the same about her. Susan and Eric barely knew each other. Their first date was on prom night. Not really a date, more just hanging out watching movies.
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Screamingophelia wrote:
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Yeah, probably. Eric did say things like that if his plans were discovered, his murder spree would begin. So, hell, Dylan's mom said she would have tackled him that morning and then interrogated him or 'talk' or something if she knew what she knew now. I wonder if Dylan would have stabbed her.


Not Sure that he would’ve been able to stab her but I bet he would be able to subdue her at least push her out of the way and get into his car . However I think if it was his dad he wouldn’t  be able to push him away his dad was a pretty big guy
Interesting about his dad, for given the exposure he seems more of an enigma like Eric's parents than he does a real person like Dylan and his mother.

In this scenario, she knows the plan, so if he just pushes her away, it's a matter of time before she calls the police. I am not sure he would have been able to stab her either. Obviously, they never stabbed anyone or themselves during the massacre, and parents are another can of worms. But they were never tackled either, and I wonder if that is the kind of scenario which would have brought the knives out. What is he going to do, tie his parents up and cut the phone line? Even if he were prepared to shoot them, he probably wasn't 'geared up' yet.

Quite curious what Eric had in mind when he said that if the plans are discovered, the murder spree begins. He could have meant if somebody at school uncovered the plan, and then perhaps things more or less happen the same way but at an earlier date. But, surely the weapons were brought only on that day, and how would the school find out? That makes me think he meant if the plans were discovered at home. If so, they were probably prepared to kill their parents, and that is possibly small fry compared to a girlfriend.

Though to actually respond to the OP (oops), yeah, incel rage was a part of it, I'd say more than bullying, and one is correct to say losing virginity doesn't bring one a steady love life. And as depressed as they were, a break up would only make it worse. So, like they say, if they found 'the one' then yeah probably no massacre. Just 'a gf' though, if she found the plans for the massacre, they may have shot her right there. Not to mention if she just happened to be in the cafeteria.

Also I think by some measure - Brooks had to say they had "girlfriends" not girlfriends, which is more than others can say, Susan was Eric's gf and Robyn Dylan's gf, and they would have shrugged their shoulders if either died.

I disagree. Incel is a new thing and I don't think they, especially Dylan, committed the massacre because they could not get laid.

I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this. Saying "hey girls, wanna stop a school shooter, you know what to do!"

We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres.

They were angry at society, there was mental illness, bullying... it was the times and if you weren't a teen in the late 90's in suburban America you may not get it and that's fine.. but I was and I get the atmosphere we were living in. Someone like Eric was growing up with a military father like Wayne, Kevin was a golden boy and he had OCD issues, health issues and was smaller than them both. I get that too. I had a lot of health issues growing up and people do treat you differently.

So no, it is not as simplistic as bullying or not getting laid. A lot of kids in HS are not having sex and that is okay.

The term is new, not the idea. It seems to me straightforward in his writing that Dylan felt no hope because he felt he'd never find love.  As incels are apt to say, it's not "tfw no sex", it's "tfw no gf". I don't think Brooks pointed out that they died virgins for no reason, and don't think the significance of that is about merely 'getting laid'.

"I get really irritated at this because you are also putting a lot of onus on the girls in this." Seems like an appeal to consequences. Yeah, it means the sexual revolution has a role in this, leaving low status men out of the market for women. Elliott Rodger is exhibit a. That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

"We also went over a myriad of school/mass shooters who had sex and still committed massacres." Well, I'm not talking about them, and it seems to me there are several attacking women directly. Rodger, Sodini, Lepine, Hennard, et al.

I agree it's not as simplistic as bullying or "not getting laid", but I think the feeling of failure with women is a bigger factor than bullying for their anger at society.

Weren't Robyn and Susan their g/fs though?

No. Robyn had a crush on Dylan, he apparently didn't feel the same about her.  Susan and Eric barely knew each other. Their first date was on prom night. Not really a date, more just hanging out watching movies.

You’re right! Dylan went on a date with Kristen Theibault and in the 11k she said she thought they might be dating...

I think Dylan went to prom with Robyn to be nice and also maybe to give his fam and friends some happy memories to outweigh the bad ones that were to come

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I think Dylan went to prom with Robyn to be nice and also maybe to give his fam  and friends some happy memories to outweigh the bad ones that were to come

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Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. 

Speculative and unconfirmed.

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That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

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That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

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Well, having more men kept out of the sexual market is one story to explain why an Arab Muslim seems the usual type for a suicide attack, using Darwinianish reasoning. If an organism isn't going to reproduce, it can seek to eliminate itself with depression and suicide, or use that to stop the other groups from reproducing as much in a rampage.

It's something of a just so story, and if in fact married eskimos are the leaders in attacks, then obviously it's not the case. However, I think it's at least the feeling for many.
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That the middle east has harems, leaving low status men out of luck and hopeless, is one reason given for why suicide attacks are more of an Arab thing.

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Well, having more men kept out of the sexual market is one story to explain why an Arab Muslim seems the usual type for a suicide attack, using Darwinianish reasoning. 

When I said "I don't follow" I'm referring to the assertion that there's somehow fewer females available for men in the Middle East than there would be normally. I don't buy it.

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What? Cho was a virgin.
I am sure I remember that he used the services of prostitutes. Of course nobody revealed any intimate details and one escort simply reported dancing for him and then going awya as he didn't seem to have enough money and was pushy.

Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. I don't think this mattered much for his mental state and the reasons behind the attack though.
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Cho had the money. He paid on his credit card and that is how the FBI tracked her. She left because he creeped her out. He met her a month before the shooting. He was probably pushy because he didn't know how to deal with women and it was a last ditch effort at losing his virginity. He failed.
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What? Cho was a virgin.
I am sure I remember that he used the services of prostitutes. Of course nobody revealed any intimate details and one escort simply reported dancing for him and then going awya as he didn't seem to have enough money and was pushy.

Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. I don't think this mattered much for his mental state and the reasons behind the attack though.
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Cho had the money. He paid on his credit card and that is how the FBI tracked her. She left because he creeped her out. He met her a month before the shooting. He was probably pushy because he didn't know how to deal with women and it was a last ditch effort at losing his virginity. He failed.
How can you creep an escort out? I mean you're just paying for sex.

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What? Cho was a virgin.
I am sure I remember that he used the services of prostitutes. Of course nobody revealed any intimate details and one escort simply reported dancing for him and then going awya as he didn't seem to have enough money and was pushy.

Still, I think that if he was meeting escorts in college, its likely at least a few encounters ended with sex if he had the cash. I don't think this mattered much for his mental state and the reasons behind the attack though.
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Cho had the money. He paid on his credit card and that is how the FBI tracked her. She left because he creeped her out. He met her a month before the shooting. He was probably pushy because he didn't know how to deal with women and it was a last ditch effort at losing his virginity. He failed.

That is the epitome of failure! What a Pathetic worm
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How can you creep an escort out? I mean you're just paying for sex.

Yeah creeping out an escort is an accomplishment.

Just think of all the weirdos they come across.

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.
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I disagree. I don’t think a girlfriend could hsve helped Dylan. He needed more. Love is not enough

It’s so simplistic and odd to me that people think all these mass shootings happen because teens aren’t getting laid

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.


I actually don’t think that he would hit his girlfriend. I think he would punch a wall before that. If he didnt get his anger in check I think he would be very explosive if there was any issues in the relationship. There’s actually a really good wtite up about it on a blog.

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I disagree. I don’t think a girlfriend could hsve helped Dylan. He needed more. Love is not enough

It’s so simplistic and odd to me that people think all these mass shootings happen because teens aren’t getting laid

Some people cannot be saved, or helped. That is the reality most people refuse to comprehend.

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.


I actually don’t think that he would hit his girlfriend. I think he would punch a wall before that. If he didnt get his anger in check I think he would be very explosive if there was  any issues in the relationship. There’s actually a really good wtite up about it on a  blog.
Well Eric was emotionally unstable so I wouldn't put it past him, I mean he threatened to kill Brooks for not taking him to School in his car.
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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.


I actually don’t think that he would hit his girlfriend. I think he would punch a wall before that. If he didnt get his anger in check I think he would be very explosive if there was  any issues in the relationship. There’s actually a really good wtite up about it on a  blog.
Well Eric was emotionally unstable so I wouldn't put it past him, I mean he threatened to kill Brooks for not taking him to School in his car.

He was never violent physically towards anybody though(before 4:20) threats are different. I’m not saying they’re right but they’re different

But no I respectfully disagree I don’t think he would beat his girlfriend or lay his hands on her. He would be more apt to go and punch a wall and then send her some nasty emails if they broke up or he would say mean things to her if they fought

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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.


I actually don’t think that he would hit his girlfriend. I think he would punch a wall before that. If he didnt get his anger in check I think he would be very explosive if there was  any issues in the relationship. There’s actually a really good wtite up about it on a  blog.

Well Eric was emotionally unstable so I wouldn't put it past him, I mean he threatened to kill Brooks for not taking him to School in his car.

True! Eric was a bit hotheaded, but then again he wasn't trying to get into Brooks pants either.Haha

I think Eric would have tried to be as nice as he could to a girl he liked in hopes of it going somewhere. Now IF it had ever progressed past the "lets just hang out together" phase into a real relationship is a different matter. I think Eric would have been a very jealous, very clingy, type of boyfriend.

He did have issues with controlling his temper. I could see him punching a wall in frustration, possibly even shoving his girlfriend in a moment of extreme anger. Not saying that he would NEVER have hit his gf, but I think he would have been more of a screamer, hitting inanimate objects, throwing things, slamming doors, etc. then actual physical assault.
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It is impossible to know if he would have hit his girlfriend or not because he would have changed by growing up.

I think having a girlfriend is very different from having a wife. He could be rather nice with his girlfriend, but be different once he is in a more stable and serious relationship with her. Many men who beat their wife changed when they got married. I think it could also depend on the job Eric would have had. Since he had an inferiority complex, I can well imagine him hitting his wife if he had a bad job that made him feel as if he was nothing, but again we cannot know and our assumptions are probably based on the version of Eric we have in our head.


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Even if Eric wouldn't have hit his girlfriend, I don't think any relationship he would be in would have lasted long.

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I think that if they both had a girlfriend, NBK might not have happened then, but later on if their relationships ended, possibly at a location other than at Columbine.
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Purposely no, I don't think they would of killed their girlfriends if they had one. Now as collateral damage I think most definitely. They wouldn't be dead set on killing them, but if they were to die by the bombs going off or by blind fire, it wouldn't faze them IMO. Also I highly doubt any girl could of been able to stop NBK. They were so dead set on revenge that although a girlfriend would of been nice for them, I highly doubt it would of changed anything. When Eric says "Susan things could of been different", I take that he is saying that if the school and his peers treated him differently, things could of possibly been different. I don't believe for a second that Eric meant if they dated or Susan was his girl, that NBK never would of happened. Even vagina couldn't of stopped them, it was beyond anything a girl could give them.

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Even vagina couldn't of stopped them, it was beyond anything a girl could give them.

100% agreed. Their problems were much deeper and more complicated then the lack of a girlfriend and sex.
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It is impossible to know if he would have hit his girlfriend or not because he would have changed by growing up.

I think having a girlfriend is very different from having a wife. He could be rather nice with his girlfriend, but be different once he is in a more stable and serious relationship with her. Many men who beat their wife changed when they got married. I think it could also depend on the job Eric would have had. Since he had an inferiority complex, I can well imagine him hitting his wife if he had a bad job that made him feel life he was nothing, but again we cannot know and our assumptions are probably based on the version of Eric we have in our head.

Its really hard to make assumptions. Eric had a horrible temper and was sexist, but at the same time... I don't remember him reported as hitting any of his female friends. He wasn't even reported hitting any girl in school at all (while Dylan was). He never hit his dog and AFAIK he never hit Dylan in anger either.

Not saying I know what he would do. But given the facts above, I don't think it makese sense to assume that he would obviously be violent. He might have, he might have not.

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Screamingophelia wrote:
Tommy QTR wrote:
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I think if they had girlfriends then the attack wouldn't of happened, for Dylan at least.

There are dozens of shootings that could of been prevented if the killer had a partner, Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

Maybe it would've prevented the shootings but it would not have been good for the women who had to live in that relationship.

I’m the first person to say that Eric and Dylan had good qualities but especially with Dylan he would not have been a good boyfriend. He had qualities of a good friend but I don’t think Dylan would have been a good boyfriend and a break up would’ve wrecked him to the point of doing something like the massacre later perhaps Or he would’ve killed him self
And you think Eric would of been a good boyfriend? He would of been extremely abusive and controlling, I imagine with his temper he would hit his girlfriend or threatened to kill her if she did anything to annoy him.


I actually don’t think that he would hit his girlfriend. I think he would punch a wall before that. If he didnt get his anger in check I think he would be very explosive if there was  any issues in the relationship. There’s actually a really good wtite up about it on a  blog.
Well Eric was emotionally unstable so I wouldn't put it past him, I mean he threatened to kill Brooks for not taking him to School in his car.

He was never violent physically towards anybody though(before 4:20)  threats are different. I’m not saying they’re right but they’re different

The massacre does prove that he's capable of violence though. I imagine that he'd get physically violent with his partner after a potential break-up; a murder-suicide that's restricted to him and his partner instead of society at large.

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Cruz wasn't a virgin either.

I think people overestimate the impact of "being a virgin" and underestimate the impact of "having no decent love life whatsoever".

Cho was not a virgin. Little good did that do for him.
Cho was not a virgin? Are you kidding me? Seung was arguably the BIGGEST virgin among all of these mass killers apart from Chris Mercer and Elliot Rodger.

Why do you think Elliot Rodger liked him so much? He was Asian and a virgin.
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I don't think women would've saved these kids. They were going for all the popular girls at their school.

Eric got laughed at because he asked out a girl that probably dates jocks.

They wouldn't just settle for an average looking girl. These kids wanted the best looking girls imaginable.

Both kids were narcissistic to a degree in that regard.
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I don't think women would've saved these kids. They were going for all the popular girls at their school.

Eric got laughed at because he asked out a girl that probably dates jocks.

They wouldn't just settle for an average looking girl. These kids wanted the best looking girls imaginable.

Both kids were narcissistic to a degree in that regard.
"narcissistic"? My gosh that should've been a match right there, because most "popular" girls in high school are narcissists.
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