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PostSubject: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:20 am

What would have happened if he perhaps shot up Newtown High School? Thoughts?

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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:56 am

I think Adam would've still killed alot of people, if he planned it well. But he could've been apprehended fairly easily if in a bad spot.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 am

He might have been jumped on, because a group of 16 year olds have a lot more strength than 6 year olds. Remember how weak Adam would be.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:25 am

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He might have been jumped on, because a group of 16 year olds have a lot more strength than 6 year olds. Remember how weak Adam would be.
Yeah, adam would've been destroyed if in a very bad position.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:26 am

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He might have been jumped on, because a group of 16 year olds have a lot more strength than 6 year olds. Remember how weak Adam would be.
That is most certainly a possibility, but not many people are willing to attack a shooter. I personally think he would have killed about the same amount of people.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 am

I don't think the ratio killed/injured would be so high but the overall number of people shot would be roughly the same if he did exactly the same attack but only in a high school. Children are less resistant than teenagers so this is why there were so many dead I think.

I don't think somebody would have overpowered him for two reasons:

-I think this brave situation depends more on potential victims than on the shooter. Except if the shooter is a child or very very weak or small, I think the huge majority of people would never risk their life to stop a shooting. So it is probably more based on the bravery and instinct of people there than on the appearance of the shooter.

-People probably focused more on the impressive weapons of Adam, and I can imagine that when you are in a danger of death you see the source of the threat as even more impressive. The way Adam was dressed could make him more impressive and scary and the jacket could also hide his weak appearance.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:33 am

I think they probably would be more injuries, a 5.56mm bullet is still deadly but a teenager probably has a better chance of surviving a wound then a six year old would but then again Adam had a tendency to double tap and overkill his victims alot.

I still think Adam went against attacking the high school as he thought the risk factor of being overpowered was too high, as in the actual shooting he had to reload frequently due to poor gun maintenance, while that doesn't seem risky in a classroom full of 6/7 year olds who can barely comprehend whats going on but in a room full of 14-18 year olds, Adam wouldve been extremely vulnerable during reloading especially when he has to do so frequently which gives alot of people multiple opportunities to give him the jump. Hard to tell if anyone would actually attack Adam during a high school shooting but I think to him, he probably thought it was too risky to take the chance and end up being apprehend (remember Adam was bent on dying during his massacre), the less resistance, the easier to kill others and himself.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:28 am

I could see Adam getting jumped.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:22 pm

If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:27 pm

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If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam.

They jumped Kip Kinkel, to name one example.

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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:31 pm

Jared Lee Loughner got jumped, and it ruined his chance of getting a high score and becoming an hero. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:40 pm

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If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam.

They jumped Kip Kinkel, to name one example.
Kip Kinkel ran into a packed cafeteria and started firing. He didn't have ammo ready IIRC and took longer reloading so the kids took advantage of the situation.

Not to mention Kip was schizophrenic and wasn't thinking coherently.

Adam was crazy but not in the same way.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:32 pm

Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:34 pm

@VoDKaComeHere wrote:
Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.

Interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:39 pm

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Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.

Maybe he was doing a recon for an alternative target, even though he knew he would shoot upsandy hook. Did he have a full driving licence?
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:58 pm

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Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.

Maybe he was doing a recon for an alternative target, even though he knew he would shoot upsandy hook. Did he have a full driving licence?
Yeah, he had one since the age of 18 in 2010.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:42 pm

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If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam.
No-one jumped Eric and Dylan as they couldve easily come to each others aid if someone attacked them, Adam would have no-one to help him if he was jumped.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:02 am

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If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam.
No-one jumped Eric and Dylan as they couldve easily come to each others aid if someone attacked them, Adam would have no-one to help him if he was jumped.

I just realize I had completely misunderstood the word "jump"... Shocked I thought it was an off-topic conversation about the sex life of the shooters. "If they didn't jump Eric and Dylan they aren't jumping Adam", it fitted well. And I don't even have a dirty mind, I swear! I should review my English vocab.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:45 pm

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Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.

Maybe he was doing a recon for an alternative target, even though he knew he would shoot upsandy hook. Did he have a full driving licence?
Yeah, he had one since the age of 18 in 2010.


I'm surprised he passed his driving test, they must be even easier than in England?
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:47 pm

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@VoDKaComeHere wrote:
Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.

Maybe he was doing a recon for an alternative target, even though he knew he would shoot upsandy hook. Did he have a full driving licence?
Yeah, he had one since the age of 18 in 2010.


I'm surprised he passed his driving test, they must be even easier than in England?

Adam's father Peter mentioned Adam being a very cautious driver.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:49 pm

He probably never drove anywhere though, except for the recon mission the day before.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:24 pm

There would probably be more survivors and a higher number of wounded people like in the Parkland, FL school shooting, where a similar weapon was used.

The reason why Adam managed to kill so many and wound so few was because most of the victims were packed in a small bathroom, many were children and approximately 80 shots were fired from a "high powered" rifle inside classroom 8 if I recall correctly.

High school students may have a chance to overwhelm him during his rampage because they are generally physically stronger and more intelligent than first grade children.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:43 am

Depends on the circumstances
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:01 am

His life was pretty bleak before the attack, without the attack it would still stay bleak.

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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:37 am

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Apparently there is footage of Adam pulling into Newtown high school on 12/14 and upon seeing two police cars in the parking lot, drove away.
This lead was investigated and it wasn't true.

From the final report:
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CSP investigated a lead that the shooter went to Newtown High School before going to SHES. In the course of this investigation one parent refused to let her high school child be interviewed by police and related that a friend of the child had told the child they saw the shooter in the parking lot before the shooting. A review of Newtown High School video did not substantiate this claim.

Aside from that, the police found that Adam had accessed information about the school online, including viewing the school's website repeatedly and looking up pages such as the student handbook and security procedures for the school. While it's possible that he did consider targeting other schools at some time, there is no way that he was still undecided on 12/14 and he was probably not even undecided by the time that he started his preparations.
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:58 am

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He probably never drove anywhere though, except for the recon mission the day before.
It's a myth that Adam never left his house. It would probably be more accurate to say that he went through periods where he went out regularly (regularly for someone who doesn't go out much, not regularly for someone who has a typical life, with a job or attending school and spending lots of time with friends) and other periods where he rarely left or didn't leave the house at all.

There are GPS records in the Sandy Hook documents that tracked his trips away from home so we have an idea of the (minimum) number of trips that Adam took between his last birthday on April 23, 2012 and December 13, 2012. We can't say for certain that these represent every trip he took in this time frame because he didn't bring the GPS with him on the day of his death so we know that he was capable of navigating on his own.

For the first couple of months (through May and June of 2012), Adam logged a trip about once or twice a week. After that, he cut off contact with his only real life friend and went through a long period of barely leaving home at all (if we rely on the GPS data for confirmation). He logged one trip in July and one in early August and then there were no more GPS records for about three and a half months. This lines up with his mother's statement that Adam locked himself in his room for three months over the summer of 2012, which is why I believe that the GPS records are a generally reliable gauge of his driving activity. Nancy was very worried about Adam during this period of time though, so I would suggest that this may have been one of the longest periods of withdrawal.

There were only two trips after that, including one in November and one on the day before his massacre.

We also know that he was driving regularly before that. He was going to the theater in Danbury from at least early 2011. He had gained the nickname "DDR Guy," and was recognizable to those who frequented the theater, by April 2011. Adam was playing DDR with a couple of other people for hours every weekend for most of that year, starting with DDR sessions that were about four hours long and later in the summer, increasing these sessions to eight or ten hours at a time. We know for certain that there was another one of these periods of withdrawal, which happened toward the end of 2011. An employee at the theater said that there was a snowstorm and he didn't see Adam for about a month. When he came back in February of the next year, he no longer played DDR with others. Based on witnesses from the theater, we can assume that he was driving to the theater every weekend (Friday through Sunday) for some of 2012, most or all of 2011 and maybe in late 2010, aside from the periods when he did not leave his house.

In short, Adam had a lot of experience with driving. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:22 am

This is a trivial detail but, out of curiosity, since Adam often went to the theater to play DDR and seemed to like watching movies, do we know if he also watched movies at the theater from time to time?
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:29 am

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This is a trivial detail but, out of curiosity, since Adam often went to the theater to play DDR and seemed to like watching movies, do we know if he also watched movies at the theater from time to time?

I think he used to go with his only friend but they cut off contact a few months before the shooting
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:55 pm

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This is a trivial detail but, out of curiosity, since Adam often went to the theater to play DDR and seemed to like watching movies, do we know if he also watched movies at the theater from time to time?

He watched a movie called Chimpanzee (could be wrong, maybe it's another movie).
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PostSubject: Re: How do you think Adam would have done if he instead shot up a high school?    Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:20 pm

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This is a trivial detail but, out of curiosity, since Adam often went to the theater to play DDR and seemed to like watching movies, do we know if he also watched movies at the theater from time to time?

He watched a movie called Chimpanzee (could be wrong, maybe it's another movie).

I wouldn't be surprised, Chimpanzee suits him perfectly.
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