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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:11 am

My unpopular opinion: full responsibility for the murders lies with Eric and Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:29 am

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It is not and it will never be on the two only.

Wow, so there was a third shooter then?

Jokes aside, I have to ask why? Aren't people responsible for their own actions? Did anyone stick a gun to Eric and Dylan's heads, or the heads of their parents and families and tell them "go do it"? Because if the answer to that question is no, then blaming anyone but the two people who pulled the triggers is a distraction at best.

Yeah, people acted negligently, people didn't do the right thing, and their fuck-ups were part of what caused the killings to happen. But the only reason why their fuck-ups matter at all, was because of two teens who acted on their worst impulses.

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it's also pricks like Mr. Manson who will swear he is getting scapegoated and victimized, but in fact, he is a hypocrite who will do just about anything to get attention and notoriety, which, come to nitty-gritty, is what E&D did, and then he will whine "there are people who do much worse things than play and sing!"

Like kill people?

Yeah, well, fuck you M&Ms. You posture like you do precisely to shock and create a conflict and stir up shit and have teenagers relating and spending their parents' money on your schlock -- at any cost -- because whatever they do inspired by you, you can easily downplay as their own deed.

"inspired"?

Eric and Dylan preferred NIN, KMFDM, and Rammstein over Manson. What did Manson "inspire" Eric and Dylan to do when they weren't even avid fans of his music?




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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:43 am

Not too sure if this would be considered an "unpopular opinion" or perhaps possible fact, But I watched this cafeteria surveillance footage, and was matching the times up from the video with the 911 calls and here are a few things I noticed.

*911 answers patti neilsons call and states "911" at 11:27:47 a.m. thus starting the 911 call in the library

*@11:32:00 a.m.
Eric and Dylan are heard yelling "Get Up" and Patti Neilson states the gunmen are now in the library

*@11:33:00
Patti Neilson leaves the telephone hanging off the receiver (Thus ending the library 911 call released to the public out of the full 26min call)

*@11:34:53 a.m.
John Savage is seen running down the stairs leading into the commons and out of the school.

*@11:36:43
Pipe bomb is thrown down into the commons. (indicating Eric & Dylan were no longer in the library.)


@ 11:37:25 more pipe bombs are being thrown into the commons as well and Eric and Dylan eventually enter the commons from the staircase @ 11:44:28

What I seem to have gathered based off the 911 calls and the Surveillance is that the killing spree of everyone in the library all occurred within a 4 minute time frame, which makes sense I'm sure everything happened so quickly and felt like a lifetime for all involved but John Savage was let go only 2 mins into them entering the library, so I don't believe they were in the library for no longer than 5 mins tops! (precisely 4 minutes if you ask me LOL)

I guess it was just a weird finding to me because having only read the 11K report most students thought it was any between 10-20mins they were in there. Dylan was right when he said "Seconds will feel like hours"

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:21 am

It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:39 am

They were in the library for about 7 and 1/2 minutes. The timelines are off because the different agencies clocks were not synched. This is the official explanation:

During the first two weeks of the investigation, investigators learned that the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office had recently calibrated its digital clocks used for dispatch tapes with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) atomic clock in Boulder, Colorado.  Therefore, the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office dispatch time was the standard used for the timeline.  It was further learned that the Sheriff’s Office 911 times had not yet been calibrated and were fast by two minutes and 46 seconds.  The Littleton Fire Department dispatch time was four minutes slow and the fire alarm from Columbine High School was three minutes slow. The times on the cafeteria videotape matched the Sheriff’s Office dispatch time.

   In order to accurately reflect the events occurring on April 20, it became necessary to adjust the times so that they were synchronized to one time -- in this case, the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office dispatch time. The following changes were made and are reflected in the finished timeline:

   4 minutes were added to the Littleton Fire Department dispatch time

   3 minutes were added to the school fire alarm time

   2 minutes 46 seconds were subtracted from the Jefferson County 911 time

   No adjustments were made to the high school cafeteria surveillance tape.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:46 am

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It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad



The amount of damage they did in that time is what gets me. SO many lives just gone, and so many others changed from that moment on. No
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:36 am

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It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad



The amount of damage they did in that time is what gets me. SO many lives just gone, and so many others changed from that moment on. No


You’re just sitting there and everything changes. I wouldn’t even think you’d have time to react or think

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:42 am

@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
@Screamingophelia wrote:
It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad



The amount of damage they did in that time is what gets me. SO many lives just gone, and so many others changed from that moment on. No


You’re just sitting there and everything changes. I wouldn’t even think you’d have time to react or think


To be honest I truly wish they didn't have time to think, to be scared. But we know they did. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:59 am

I read an article by Dave Cullen on Joe Stack and he sounded like an arrogant douche. No way I'd waste my shekels on his book.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:38 pm

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It is not and it will never be on the two only.

Wow, so there was a third shooter then?

Jokes aside, I have to ask why? Aren't people responsible for their own actions? Did anyone stick a gun to Eric and Dylan's heads, or the heads of their parents and families and tell them "go do it"? Because if the answer to that question is no, then blaming anyone but the two people who pulled the triggers is a distraction at best.

I didn't say or even suggest they weren't responsible for what they did. They're culprits. But it is not on them only. They were a product of many, many aspects of society and their age. Just like you are.

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Yeah, people acted negligently, people didn't do the right thing, and their fuck-ups were part of what caused the killings to happen. But the only reason why their fuck-ups matter at all, was because of two teens who acted on their worst impulses.

See above. If POLICE acted properly, those two, or at least one of them ended in mental hospital instead of killing a dozen of people. POLICE failed. The system around them failed. Their parents failed.    

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it's also pricks like Mr. Manson who will swear he is getting scapegoated and victimized, but in fact, he is a hypocrite who will do just about anything to get attention and notoriety, which, come to nitty-gritty, is what E&D did, and then he will whine "there are people who do much worse things than play and sing!"

Like kill people?

Yeah, well, fuck you M&Ms. You posture like you do precisely to shock and create a conflict and stir up shit and have teenagers relating and spending their parents' money on your schlock -- at any cost -- because whatever they do inspired by you, you can easily downplay as their own deed.

"inspired"?

Eric and Dylan preferred NIN, KMFDM, and Rammstein over Manson. What did Manson "inspire" Eric and Dylan to do when they weren't even avid fans of his music?

I said "pricks like" him. I never even suggested he inspired them to do what they did. I was merely talking about the way he ditched the responsibility for what his fans end up doing. Because that, in principle, is part of what contributes to people doing stupid things.

I'm just an artist / I'm not responsible for what people do inspired by my art (all I care about is copyright and royalties) / thus I can violate, provoke and stir up conflict as much as I want -- just to get attention / In case of backlash, I'll point at gun factories

The truth is, without Doom and NBK and some of music, the thought wouldn't have probably crossed their minds. We can't just give culture a moral leeway and leave it out of the equation. We're all influenced by it. So were E&Dylan. Of course, most people are not impressionable / insane enough to see NBK and think "whoa, what a neat idea! I'm gonna kill some people too!"

But culture does help shape who we are and how we think. It does. So let's not bullshit ourselves.

Eric and Dylan, and what they carried out, were just another facet of our society.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:17 pm

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This one isn't so much an unpopular opinion as it is just a feeling and I don't know how relevant it is but... I think Richard Castaldo lied about having lunch with Rachel Scott. I think he just happened to be sitting near her having lunch and that they weren't having lunch together at all. I have absolutely no evidence of this...just none whatsoever.

My sister talked to Rachel in the Commons when lunch started, my sister was going off campus with another friend to grab prom pictures then lunch and invited Rachel to come but she said she was eating lunch with a new friend who needed to talk but she would catch up after school with her
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:54 pm

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It is not and it will never be on the two only.

Wow, so there was a third shooter then?

Jokes aside, I have to ask why? Aren't people responsible for their own actions? Did anyone stick a gun to Eric and Dylan's heads, or the heads of their parents and families and tell them "go do it"? Because if the answer to that question is no, then blaming anyone but the two people who pulled the triggers is a distraction at best.

I didn't say or even suggest they weren't responsible for what they did. They're culprits.

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But it is not on them only

To me it implies a deference of responsibility. It is on them only. They were the only ones deliberately killing people. You can say other people let it get that point, caused the problem to get that out of hand, and you'd be right, but holding these same people up and saying that they're as responsible as the people who were pulling the trigger is a bridge too far for me.

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Yeah, people acted negligently, people didn't do the right thing, and their fuck-ups were part of what caused the killings to happen. But the only reason why their fuck-ups matter at all, was because of two teens who acted on their worst impulses.

See above. If POLICE acted properly, those two, or at least one of them ended in mental hospital instead of killing a dozen of people. POLICE failed. The system around them failed. Their parents failed.    

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it's also pricks like Mr. Manson who will swear he is getting scapegoated and victimized, but in fact, he is a hypocrite who will do just about anything to get attention and notoriety, which, come to nitty-gritty, is what E&D did, and then he will whine "there are people who do much worse things than play and sing!"

Like kill people?

Yeah, well, fuck you M&Ms. You posture like you do precisely to shock and create a conflict and stir up shit and have teenagers relating and spending their parents' money on your schlock -- at any cost -- because whatever they do inspired by you, you can easily downplay as their own deed.

"inspired"?

Eric and Dylan preferred NIN, KMFDM, and Rammstein over Manson. What did Manson "inspire" Eric and Dylan to do when they weren't even avid fans of his music?

I said "pricks like" him. I never even suggested he inspired them to do what they did.

Yeah, ya did. Or at least that's how I took it. What else am I really supposed to think when you say:
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Yeah, well, fuck you M&Ms. You posture like you do precisely to shock and create a conflict and stir up shit and have teenagers relating and spending their parents' money on your schlock -- at any cost -- because whatever they do inspired by you, you can easily downplay as their own deed.

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We can't just give culture a moral leeway and leave it out of the equation. We're all influenced by it. So were E&Dylan. Of course, most people are not impressionable / insane enough to see NBK and think "whoa, what a neat idea! I'm gonna kill some people too!"

But culture does help shape who we are and how we think. It does. So let's not bullshit ourselves.

Eric and Dylan, and what they carried out, were just another facet of our society.

If most people who absorb these kinds of material don't go on to act out violence in inspiration of it then IMO holding it responsible for much of anything is rather hollow.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:27 pm

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It is not and it will never be on the two only.

Wow, so there was a third shooter then?

Jokes aside, I have to ask why? Aren't people responsible for their own actions? Did anyone stick a gun to Eric and Dylan's heads, or the heads of their parents and families and tell them "go do it"? Because if the answer to that question is no, then blaming anyone but the two people who pulled the triggers is a distraction at best.

I didn't say or even suggest they weren't responsible for what they did. They're culprits.

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But it is not on them only

So saying it is not on them only equals saying they're not responsible at all?

EDIT: It's not even a rhetorical question. You failed my IQ test and end up on my ignore. I'm impatient and I don't like talking to slow people. I have already been through this. You will never get it and I'll end up being an asshole. No need for that. Online, we have the luxury of cultivating our environment by simply putting idiots away. Since I realize everything we soak in ends up forming us, I fancy ignoring folks like you. Merry Christmas and fuck you.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:54 pm

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This one isn't so much an unpopular opinion as it is just a feeling and I don't know how relevant it is but... I think Richard Castaldo lied about having lunch with Rachel Scott. I think he just happened to be sitting near her having lunch and that they weren't having lunch together at all. I have absolutely no evidence of this...just none whatsoever.

My sister talked to Rachel in the Commons when lunch started, my sister was going off campus with another friend to grab prom pictures then lunch and invited Rachel to come but she said she was eating lunch with a new friend who needed to talk but she would catch up after school with her

Okay, I am officially wrong about Richard Castaldo Very Happy silent

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:19 pm

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It is not and it will never be on the two only.

Wow, so there was a third shooter then?

Jokes aside, I have to ask why? Aren't people responsible for their own actions? Did anyone stick a gun to Eric and Dylan's heads, or the heads of their parents and families and tell them "go do it"? Because if the answer to that question is no, then blaming anyone but the two people who pulled the triggers is a distraction at best.

I didn't say or even suggest they weren't responsible for what they did. They're culprits.

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But it is not on them only

So saying it is not on them only equals saying they're not responsible at all?

EDIT: It's not even a rhetorical question. You failed my IQ test and end up on my ignore. I'm impatient and I don't like talking to slow people. I have already been through this. You will never get it and I'll end up being an asshole. No need for that. Online, we have the luxury of cultivating our environment by simply putting idiots away. Since I realize everything we soak in ends up forming us, I fancy ignoring folks like you. Merry Christmas and fuck you.

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EDIT: It's not even a rhetorical question. You failed my IQ test and end up on my ignore. I'm impatient and I don't like talking to slow people. I have already been through this. You will never get it and I'll end up being an asshole. No need for that. Online, we have the luxury of cultivating our environment by simply putting idiots away. Since I realize everything we soak in ends up forming us, I fancy ignoring folks like you. Merry Christmas and fuck you.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:58 pm

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So saying it is not on them only equals saying they're not responsible at all?

EDIT: It's not even a rhetorical question. You failed my IQ test and end up on my ignore. I'm impatient and I don't like talking to slow people. I have already been through this. You will never get it and I'll end up being an asshole. No need for that. Online, we have the luxury of cultivating our environment by simply putting idiots away. Since I realize everything we soak in ends up forming us, I fancy ignoring folks like you. Merry Christmas and fuck you.



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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:29 pm

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It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad

I agree everything happened so fast, yet the amount of damage done and the legacy it leaves behind is mind blowing!!

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:58 am

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It’s really striking to think of what a short amount of time they were in the library Sad


I think it was comparable with the length of time of Parkland.

It feels longer since many survivors weren’t let out or rescued until nearly 4pm Sad

I agree everything happened so fast, yet the amount of damage done and the legacy it leaves behind is mind blowing!!

Most shootings happen in a really short amount of time. Look at Sandy Hook.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:36 am

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This one isn't so much an unpopular opinion as it is just a feeling and I don't know how relevant it is but... I think Richard Castaldo lied about having lunch with Rachel Scott. I think he just happened to be sitting near her having lunch and that they weren't having lunch together at all. I have absolutely no evidence of this...just none whatsoever.

My sister talked to Rachel in the Commons when lunch started, my sister was going off campus with another friend to grab prom pictures then lunch and invited Rachel to come but she said she was eating lunch with a new friend who needed to talk but she would catch up after school with her

Okay, I am officially wrong about Richard Castaldo Very Happy silent

Sorry! I totally can see why you thought that but I just wanted to give you an answer hope that's ok. Merry Christmas!
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:20 am

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This one isn't so much an unpopular opinion as it is just a feeling and I don't know how relevant it is but... I think Richard Castaldo lied about having lunch with Rachel Scott. I think he just happened to be sitting near her having lunch and that they weren't having lunch together at all. I have absolutely no evidence of this...just none whatsoever.

My sister talked to Rachel in the Commons when lunch started, my sister was going off campus with another friend to grab prom pictures then lunch and invited Rachel to come but she said she was eating lunch with a new friend who needed to talk but she would catch up after school with her

Okay, I am officially wrong about Richard Castaldo Very Happy silent

Sorry! I totally can see why you thought that but I just wanted to give you an answer hope that's ok. Merry Christmas!

No problem. Truth be told I'd rather be proven wrong than find out my cynical outlook is justified Laughing And a Merry Christmas to you too! santa

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:28 am

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My sister talked to Rachel in the Commons when lunch started, my sister was going off campus with another friend to grab prom pictures then lunch and invited Rachel to come but she said she was eating lunch with a new friend who needed to talk but she would catch up after school with her
According to the movie 'I'm Not Ashamed' Rachel had asked to have lunch with Richard Castaldo because his parents were going through a divorce, much like her own parents had years beforehand, and she wanted to provide her own experience. I assume this was the reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:31 am

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Sorry! I totally can see why you thought that but I just wanted to give you an answer hope that's ok. Merry Christmas!
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:55 am

I think if Dylan had backed out at the last minute, Eric still would of committed the attack.

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:01 am

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I think if Dylan had backed out at the last minute, Eric still would of committed the attack.

Very doubtful.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:08 pm

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According to the movie 'I'm Not Ashamed' Rachel had asked to have lunch with Richard Castaldo because his parents were going through a divorce, much like her own parents had years beforehand, and she wanted to provide her own experience. I assume this was the reason.

This doesn't make sense to me. Richard's parents were already divorced. His dad's name is Rick Castaldo, his mom's name is Connie Michalik.
At the time of the shooting, Richard's mother was married to Craig Michalik. Richard lived with them and his brother lived with their dad.

Here's some articles that mention Craig.
The first is from 4 months after the massacre:
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The next is a year later:
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I don't know if they are still married but it probably wouldn't be difficult to find out.
[Edited to add: I did a quick search of Arapahoe County records (that's where they live) and I found no divorce records. There are also records to indicate that they still have a relationship, either personal or professional, as of 2016. For privacy reasons I won't elaborate.)
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:45 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

According to the movie 'I'm Not Ashamed' Rachel had asked to have lunch with Richard Castaldo because his parents were going through a divorce, much like her own parents had years beforehand, and she wanted to provide her own experience. I assume this was the reason.

This doesn't make sense to me. Richard's parents were already divorced. His dad's name is Rick Castaldo, his mom's name is Connie Michalik.
At the time of the shooting, Richard's mother was married to Craig Michalik. Richard lived with them and his brother lived with their dad.

Here's some articles that mention Craig.
The first is from 4 months after the massacre:
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The next is a year later:
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I don't know if they are still married but it probably wouldn't be difficult to find out.
[Edited to add: I did a quick search of Arapahoe County records (that's where they live) and I found no divorce records. There are also records to indicate that they still have a relationship, either personal or professional, as of 2016. For privacy reasons I won't elaborate.)

Richard also said that E & D grabbed Rachel by the hair and asked her if she believed in God before shooting her point blank in the head.
That is where the whole Rachel myth was started, just like the scene in I'm not ashamed.
I'm assuming Richard was the one who told people that they were having a conversation about his parent's divorce.
Based on all of his fake claims that we know definitively didn't happen, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt.

It's pretty wild that even though that whole exchange was proven false, Rachel's parents still put it in the movie knowingly lying to people.
I thought God fairing people didn't lie Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:19 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

According to the movie 'I'm Not Ashamed' Rachel had asked to have lunch with Richard Castaldo because his parents were going through a divorce, much like her own parents had years beforehand, and she wanted to provide her own experience. I assume this was the reason.

This doesn't make sense to me. Richard's parents were already divorced. His dad's name is Rick Castaldo, his mom's name is Connie Michalik.
At the time of the shooting, Richard's mother was married to Craig Michalik. Richard lived with them and his brother lived with their dad.

Here's some articles that mention Craig.
The first is from 4 months after the massacre:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The next is a year later:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I don't know if they are still married but it probably wouldn't be difficult to find out.
[Edited to add: I did a quick search of Arapahoe County records (that's where they live) and I found no divorce records. There are also records to indicate that they still have a relationship, either personal or professional, as of 2016. For privacy reasons I won't elaborate.)

Richard also said that E & D grabbed Rachel by the hair and asked her if she believed in God before shooting her point blank in the head.
That is where the whole Rachel myth was started, just like the scene in I'm not ashamed.
I'm assuming Richard was the one who told people that they were having a conversation about his parent's divorce.
Based on all of his fake claims that we know definitively didn't happen, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt.

It's pretty wild that even though that whole exchange was proven false, Rachel's parents still put it in the movie knowingly lying to people.
I thought God fairing people didn't lie Laughing

Do we know why Richard started the whole Rachael thing?

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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:29 pm

My opinion is that the bullying explanation has always been exaggerated. Maybe they had some teasing, maybe they were called names and pushed around or targeted sometimes, but I don't call that bullying, I call that "high school".

I'm not saying that whatever experiences they had didn't obviously play a part, but their writings are, overall, less about revenge and more about disgust. Always talking about people being lesser than themselves, always expressing hatred for people who merely annoyed or expressed too much interest in something that they themselves didn't approve of. Maybe they were simply exasperated by the obnoxious behavior and perceived low standards of their fellow human beings. I was never bullied and I can easily relate to this myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Unpopular opinions    Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:48 pm

I know People say that.

But when I hear the evidence from people who actually went there and knew them I can’t deny that it happened and Played a part

I mean up until junior year the bullying was really bad according to so many people and you can’t say that it effects everyone the same way. That’s why I’m so torn sometimes


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