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 Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?

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PostSubject: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:57 am

At 41:10 on the footage, it cuts from 11:14 am to 11:22 am in a matter of seconds. I wanted to see any visible reactions from anyone who heard the first gunshots that hit Rachel at precisely 11:19 am. Why was it cut out tho? It seemed like the raw footage itself was edited into cutting that bit out and it's not the youtuber who uploaded it just cut it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:26 am

The hue of the video changes as well, as if the color tracker had been reset. Unfortunately timed tape switch?

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:32 am

There was a rare cafeteria receipt scan floating around several years ago showing Rachel's purchase she made there before she was shot. A small milk. Interestingly though, the time stamp on that receipt was something weird, cant remember off the top of my head, which put doubt on the official time she was said to have died. I remember it was discussed to death on the old CRTF forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:52 am

A number of things could have caused that tape jump. It may have been cut for whatever reason, it could have been a tape malfunction, etc. Unfortunately Columbine if filled with little nagging issues like this that probably will never be fully explained.

Also the timeline of Columbine has never been set in stone. Various things have challenged the official timeline that Jeffco stated several times over the years.

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:22 am

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There was a rare cafeteria receipt scan floating around several years ago showing Rachel's purchase she made there before she was shot. A small milk. Interestingly though, the time stamp on that receipt was something weird, cant remember off the top of my head, which put doubt on the official time she was said to have died. I remember it was discussed to death on the old CRTF forum.

IIRC the time on the receipt was not correct. It was 10 min ahead. So the receipt showed she purchased her milk at 11:32 when it was really 11:22

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:52 am

Those first couple explosions came from where? Were they on the second story tossing pipe bombs down the stairs? I don't see them in the cafeteria until 15 minutes after the first explosion on the stairs

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:54 am

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Those first couple explosions came from where? Were they on the second story tossing pipe bombs down the stairs? I don't see them in the cafeteria until 15 minutes after the first explosion on the stairs

The very first ones happened outside in the parking lot and on the grounds. Then they started throwing them in the upstairs hallway and leading down to the stairs. Then they walked into the library.

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:20 am

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The very first ones happened outside in the parking lot and on the grounds.  Then they started throwing them in the upstairs hallway and leading down to the stairs.  Then they walked into the library.

That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:04 pm

I never really thought about this. Does Rachel Scott (or any of the other victims besides Dave Sanders) even appear on the CCTV camera before the shooting started?

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:10 am

I thought the reason for that had to do with the janitor changing or rewinding the tapes.  IIRC he normally changed the tapes before lunch but was late that day.  It has been a while since I read this though and I don’t recall where I read this so it could have been proven to be false.
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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:38 am

@Lizpuff wrote:
@Juicy Jazzy wrote:
There was a rare cafeteria receipt scan floating around several years ago showing Rachel's purchase she made there before she was shot. A small milk. Interestingly though, the time stamp on that receipt was something weird, cant remember off the top of my head, which put doubt on the official time she was said to have died. I remember it was discussed to death on the old CRTF forum.

IIRC the time on the receipt was not correct.  It was 10 min ahead.  So the receipt showed she purchased her milk at 11:32 when it was really 11:22

But the reactions first come about at 11:23 so she couldn't have purchased her milk then sat and talked to Richard Castaldo before getting shot all in one minute.
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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:01 am

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There was a rare cafeteria receipt scan floating around several years ago showing Rachel's purchase she made there before she was shot. A small milk. Interestingly though, the time stamp on that receipt was something weird, cant remember off the top of my head, which put doubt on the official time she was said to have died. I remember it was discussed to death on the old CRTF forum.

IIRC the time on the receipt was not correct.  It was 10 min ahead.  So the receipt showed she purchased her milk at 11:32 when it was really 11:22

But the reactions first come about at 11:23 so she couldn't have purchased her milk then sat and talked to Richard Castaldo before getting shot all in one minute.

This is another one of the discrepancies. According the register receipts again the last purchase went thru at 11:36am. And that person says they got their lunch ~5min before the shots were fired/people started running around. So does that mean the register was off more? Was the camera time off? Were the records off? Is Jeffco lying about yet another thing?

The grey areas here are abundant.

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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:55 am

I also am wondering how the timeline matches with what Eric and Dylan wrote down.

I think they had two different timelines (Eric's said hahaha at 11:19 and didn't Dylan write have fun?) so they were supposed to be at the hill which is not a quick walk from the school as far as I know so it seems like those plans changed.


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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:42 pm

Cafeteria Receipt (subtract 10 minutes to coincide with timeline)

1] 11:32:36 ID 10512265 Rachel Scott – 1175 (1)

And the reason for the time gap in the cafeteria tape video is because of the time it took to do a tape change.
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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:40 am

@Lizpuff wrote:
So does that mean the register was off more? Was the camera time off?  Were the records off?  Is Jeffco lying about yet another thing?

I trust cash registers more than jeff co anyways
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PostSubject: Re: Why was Rachel Scott's shooting time (11:19 am) cut from the cctv footage?   Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:38 am

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The hue of the video changes as well, as if the color tracker had been reset. Unfortunately timed tape switch?

The color was not reset

You can see it on this rare image during the investigation of the cctv footage

The color stay black&white

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