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PostSubject: John Savage stopped the killing?   Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:48 pm

Do you think interaction between Eric, Dylan and John in the library was one of the reasons they stopped killing.

I feel as though up until that point even while taking potshots underneath the desks, They still managed to keep things rather impersonal at least in regards to people then knew.

I'm thinking there was a reason why Eric asked who was under the table as this instance was the only time he did so at least to my knowledge. After the exchange they only shot 4 more people of which each gunman only killed 1 person (Mauser & DePooter) All within the same area.

What are your thoughts, and sorry for the spaming of threads theres just alot i've wondered about this whole event.
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:31 pm

Ive heard some people say Evan Todd stop the shooting. Other than that, it will never be known what stopped it. I would like to say either john savage stopped it or they wanted to go somewhere else
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:13 pm

The only one to stop the killing was Eric and Dylan. They had killed and roamed those halls unchallenged. They could have continued killing in the library, they walked past other classrooms and saw people inside and just passed on by. No, they chose to stop for whatever reason.  In my opinion I feel they were just done.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:15 pm

I don’t know I think they liked John more than Evan . So if I had to choose I would say John or they were coming back down from their adrenaline high.

I say they stooodd because they wanted to and they wanted to see if the bombs would go off and when they didn’t they were done

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:31 pm

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Ive heard some people say Evan Todd stop the shooting. Other than that, it will never be known what stopped it. I would like to say either john savage stopped it or they wanted to go somewhere else
The only thing Evan Todd would stop is people getting his food from the Golden Corral Buffet.
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:33 pm

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Ive heard some people say Evan Todd stop the shooting. Other than that, it will never be known what stopped it. I would like to say either john savage stopped it or they wanted to go somewhere else
The only thing Evan Todd would stop is people getting his food from the Golden Corral Buffet.
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:45 am

I've wondered if they asked John to identify himself because he was the only one to move out of the way of the gun. Seems a bit silly, but what else? Nobody else was asked to identify themselves, I don't recall anybody else moving, and I don't recall anything else special about what John did. "Natural selection".


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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:00 am

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I've wondered if they asked John to identify himself because he was the only one to move out of the way of the gun. Seems a bit silly, but what else? Nobody else was asked to identify themselves, I don't recall anybody else moving, and I don't recall anything else special about what John did. "Natural selection".



I think it more of the fact Eric for a split second thought he recognized John. It's true that was the only time stated that E or D asked anyone who they were.

But why Eric decided not to kill John is anyone's guess. We have talked about this a few times in different threads. But in my opinion John was just a very lucky guy that day.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:27 pm

On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:41 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:46 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Yeah, I've heard it speculated before that they recognized her. There was also the girl outside who said she had a twin in the library they recognized. Her name isn't coming to me at the moment. Point being, John may have not been the only person they recognized and spared in the library that day.

So, if that is the case, what's left to explain John's particular circumstance? What happened before Eric asked John to identify himself? What happened was John moving  out of the way of the gun. I'm not aware of anybody else in the library doing that, if they even had the chance, and Eric was calling people cowering "pathetic" and embodying "natural selection." Perhaps he respected that.

Like most, I think they just recognized John and let him go like Brooks. He was a guy they liked. But I am not certain about that, and I've tried to outline my second choice.
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:49 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

I always thought she said she never met them...

But I don’t want to put words in her mouth.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:55 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

I always thought she said she never met them...

But I don’t want to put words in her mouth.

Well, it's entirely possible that she never met them but they still knew who she was. I'd love to hear it from her, but I don't wanna assume that she's going to respond to every post about her. My brother has many friends who know who I am, even though I have never met them. They may have seen a picture, or seen her in passing. It all depends on how close Eric and Dylan were to Joe, I guess.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:14 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

I always thought she said she never met them...

But I don’t want to put words in her mouth.

Well, it's entirely possible that she never met them but they still knew who she was. I'd love to hear it from her, but I don't wanna assume that she's going to respond to every post about her. My brother has many friends who know who I am, even though I have never met them. They may have seen a picture, or seen her in passing. It all depends on how close Eric and Dylan were to Joe, I guess.

True.

I met a girl who was a sophomore and her sister was a senior. Both of them knew of E and D but didn’t talk to them it’s a big School so you can’t really be friends with. It’s Interesting because both of their views on them were positive before that day. They knew them as just smart regular guys.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:37 pm

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

I always thought she said she never met them...

But I don’t want to put words in her mouth.


True. That's why I said maybe she will find the post one day. As I don't know what she knows, or doesn't know.

E&D are the only two who know if they saw her or not, and why they didn't shoot her if they did see her. AN they are beyond all questions, so this is likely just one of those things that will never be answered.

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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:13 am

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On the subject of possibly recognizing people, I've always wondered if they recognized Amanda Stair as being the younger sister of Joe Stair. I don't know how close they really were to Joe, or whether or not they ever even saw Amanda before but Eric shot Steven Curnow, shot Kacey Ruegsegger, and then just stopped, even though Amanda was in the next cubicle.

He didn't feel like shooting her? Why not, he shot other people after this.

He didn't see her? Highly unlikely, she wasn't hidden, she was just sitting there.

I just can't figure that one out.

Well considering that Amanda([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is actually a member of the forum, she may find this sooner or later and answer that herself.

I always thought she said she never met them...

But I don’t want to put words in her mouth.

Well, it's entirely possible that she never met them but they still knew who she was. I'd love to hear it from her, but I don't wanna assume that she's going to respond to every post about her. My brother has many friends who know who I am, even though I have never met them. They may have seen a picture, or seen her in passing. It all depends on how close Eric and Dylan were to Joe, I guess.

True.

I met a girl who was a sophomore and her sister was a senior. Both of them knew of E and D but didn’t talk to them it’s a big School so you can’t really be friends with. It’s Interesting because both of their views on them were positive before that day. They knew them as just smart regular guys.
And yet they had a hard time getting g/f's It doesn't make sense.
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PostSubject: Re: John Savage stopped the killing?   Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:17 am

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And yet they had a hard time getting g/f's It doesn't make sense.


Honestly very little about Columbine does. Evil or Very Mad

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