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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:08 pm

I just happened to see the pic from the funeral of Daniel Mauser. He is wearing his glasses in the casket. Does anyone know if those are the same glasses he was wearing when he was shot, the ones Eric made the infamous "nice glasses" comment about?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:33 pm

Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:05 pm

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Something has been puzzling me regarding the murder of Isaiah Shoels. We know that he was racially abused before his death and after his death. When Isaiah had been shot ,E or D said " Woohoo! Wow look at that Ni**ers brains " and followed by " Yeah we aint seen ni**ers brains before". Many people heard these remarks. Evan Todd stated that he heard them. What i don't understand is this : why did they mention brains? Isaiah was not shot in the head and he had no head trauma of any kind. He was shot in the left arm and chest. Why did E & D make those strange comments ?
I have another witness regarding those remarks. Joshua Lapp's statement is in the 11K section of the Library Witnesses. Page 223 of 385 pages. He stated : " They (E&D) would shoot and yell and whoop and holler. At one time one of them said : "Hey there's that little Ni**er!" Then they shot three times and one asked the other : " is he dead?" and the other said : " yeah he's dead". After that one said : " Wow i didn't think black brains could fly that far ". Evan Todd's statement is in the 11K Library Injured Q-Z section. Page 55 of 63 pages.

000053: Mark Kintgen reported as the suspects entered the library he could see that they proceeded west. Mark Kintgen stated as the suspects were walking in between the main counter and the reference desk he heard one of them state words to the effect "Everyone stand up." Mark Kintgen then related it was at that point he began to hear "gunshots." Mark Kintgen could not recall the number of gunshots but knew it was more than one. Mark Kintgen stated very soon after the gunshots initially stopped he heard one of the suspects state, "Oh look at his brains." Mark Kintgen then recalled hearing the suspects "laugh." Mark Kintgen pointed out the suspects continuously laughed throughout the incident at various times.

000135: The suspects shot someone else and they were laughing and she [Valeen Schnurr] remembers them making the statement, "Look at his brains."
000144: IO confirmed with Valeen Schnurr she was describing gunshots inside the library, which appeared to be occurring somewhere from the northwest area. Valeen Schnurr did recall, after hearing those gunshots, one of the suspects stated, "look at his brains." Valeen Schnurr told IO at that point, she believed someone had been shot. Valeen Schnurr stated moments after hearing that comment, she then began to hear more gunshots.

000171: Evan Todd stated he next recalled hearing one of the suspects state, "hey, stop n****r." Evan Todd stated a second voice then responded, "yeah, we don't like n*****s." Evan Todd related after hearing the above comments (and possibly more) he then heard approximately three to four gunshots, followed by someone yelling, "whohoo." Evan Todd clarified the aforementioned quote was some type of excited utterance, which he believed came from one of the suspects. Evan Todd stated he next heard one of the suspects state, "Wow, look at this n*****'s brains." In
response to that comment, Evan Todd heard another voice respond, "Yeah, we've never seen n*****'s brains before."

000547: Stephanie Salmon stated she next began to hear multiple gunshots, which she knew were coming from the northwest section of the library. Stephanie Salmon could not recall the number of gunshots she heard, but knew after they stopped, one of the suspects began laughing and stated, "look at these brains." Stephanie Salmon stated after that comment was made, she heard additional laughter.

000583: [Craig] Scott did remember hearing a comment in the Library by one of the gunmen concerning somebody's brains. Scott believes this comment may have been about [Isaiah] Shoels.

000616: Aaron Welsh stated at one point (sequence of events unknown), he heard one of the suspects state, "Look at this guy's brains and blood."

008643: Mrs. Schnurr said Valeen told her she (Valeen) could hear the suspects laughing as they shot students and recalls the suspects laughing
about "blowing someone's head off and their brains looking like spaghetti".

009873: [Jenna] Park additionally said that she heard when either "Dyian" or possibly someone else, shot another student in the head, they were "joking around" and stated "Oh wow, look at his brains" and were laughing about it.


*West Side of the Library - we know that Patrick Ireland, Cassie Bernall, and Kyle Velasquez were shot in the head as well as other places.

*Since most sources refer to a male, they may have been referencing Kyle Velasquez since he had 7 perforated gunshots to the left side of his head
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:00 pm

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Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...

Foster the People bassist Cubbie Fink reportedly had a female cousin who was in the library at the time of the shooting:

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The whole youth violence thing hit pretty close to me. My cousin was part of the ordeal at Columbine. She was actually in the library when everything went down, so I actually flew out to be with her the day after it happened and experienced the trauma surrounding it and saw how affected she was by it. She is as close as a sister, so obviously, it affected me deeply. So to be able to have a song to create a platform to talk about this stuff has been good for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:27 pm

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Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...

Foster the People bassist Cubbie Fink reportedly had a female cousin who was in the library at the time of the shooting:

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The whole youth violence thing hit pretty close to me. My cousin was part of the ordeal at Columbine. She was actually in the library when everything went down, so I actually flew out to be with her the day after it happened and experienced the trauma surrounding it and saw how affected she was by it. She is as close as a sister, so obviously, it affected me deeply. So to be able to have a song to create a platform to talk about this stuff has been good for us.
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Oh thanks for this, I always wanted to read his exact story regarding the inspiration of Pumped Up Kicks. I wonder what is the name of his cousin to see if she was interviewed for the witnesses statements

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:55 pm

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Oh thanks for this, I always wanted to read his exact story regarding the inspiration of Pumped Up Kicks. I wonder what is the name of his cousin to see if she was interviewed for the witnesses statements

I have heard speculation that the song was referencing the Robert Hawkins mall shooting. However the band have clarified in several interviews that the song 'Pumped Up Kicks' was written from the perspective of a troubled youth and not connected to Hawkins. According to Wikipedia:

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The lyrics to "Pumped Up Kicks" are written from the perspective of a troubled and delusional youth with homicidal thoughts.The lines in the chorus warn potential victims to "outrun my gun" and that they "better run, better run, faster than my bullet". Foster said in a statement to CNN.com, "I wrote 'Pumped Up Kicks' when I began to read about the growing trend in teenage mental illness. I wanted to understand the psychology behind it because it was foreign to me. It was terrifying how mental illness among youth had skyrocketed in the last decade. I was scared to see where the pattern was headed if we didn't start changing the way we were bringing up the next generation

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Due to the opening lyrics, "Robert's got a quick hand," many have speculated that the song is a reference to Robert Hawkins, perpetrator of Omaha's Westroads Mall shooting. The band's publicist denied any connection: "This is completely false. The character name in the song is just a coincidence." For play on the television channels MTV and MTVu, the words "gun" and "bullet" were removed from the song's chorus. Foster believes many have misinterpreted the song's meaning, and have written letters to his record label and called radio stations to complain. He explained, "The song is not about condoning violence at all. It's the complete opposite. The song is an amazing platform to have a conversation with your kids about something that shouldn't be ignored, to talk about it in a loving way."
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I've come across a couple of articles that include the mention of Fink's cousin yet none mention her by name, which is understandable. I'm just assuming that she was a library witness as he never seems to mention her been injured in any way, I know that doesn't really narrow things down too much.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:46 pm

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Oh thanks for this, I always wanted to read his exact story regarding the inspiration of Pumped Up Kicks. I wonder what is the name of his cousin to see if she was interviewed for the witnesses statements

I have heard speculation that the song was referencing the Robert Hawkins mall shooting. However the band have clarified in several interviews that the song 'Pumped Up Kicks' was written from the perspective of a troubled youth and not connected to Hawkins. According to Wikipedia:

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The lyrics to "Pumped Up Kicks" are written from the perspective of a troubled and delusional youth with homicidal thoughts.The lines in the chorus warn potential victims to "outrun my gun" and that they "better run, better run, faster than my bullet". Foster said in a statement to CNN.com, "I wrote 'Pumped Up Kicks' when I began to read about the growing trend in teenage mental illness. I wanted to understand the psychology behind it because it was foreign to me. It was terrifying how mental illness among youth had skyrocketed in the last decade. I was scared to see where the pattern was headed if we didn't start changing the way we were bringing up the next generation

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Due to the opening lyrics, "Robert's got a quick hand," many have speculated that the song is a reference to Robert Hawkins, perpetrator of Omaha's Westroads Mall shooting. The band's publicist denied any connection: "This is completely false. The character name in the song is just a coincidence." For play on the television channels MTV and MTVu, the words "gun" and "bullet" were removed from the song's chorus. Foster believes many have misinterpreted the song's meaning, and have written letters to his record label and called radio stations to complain. He explained, "The song is not about condoning violence at all. It's the complete opposite. The song is an amazing platform to have a conversation with your kids about something that shouldn't be ignored, to talk about it in a loving way."
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I've come across a couple of articles that include the mention of Fink's cousin yet none mention her by name, which is understandable. I'm just assuming that she was a library witness as he never seems to mention her been injured in any way, I know that doesn't really narrow things down too much.

Thanks again, now I know more the story behind the song that always intrigued me a bit, including the fact that something about Columbine could be also behind all the inspiration that is in the end all the violence from the last years

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:23 am

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Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...
One of the band members of Five Iron Frenzy had a little sister who was in the gymnasium during the shooting.

They ended up writing a song about the Columbine shooting, called 'A New Hope'. In fact, the very first verses of the song reference the sister going back to school after the incident.

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Fun fact: Five Iron Frenzy was one of Rachel Scott's favourite bands. She and her older sister would sing their songs in the car on their way to youth group.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:35 pm

OK, I tried doing a search for my question because I vaguely remember reading it somewhere. Maybe it was in the old forum, I don't know.

Which victim was a fan of wrestling? I don't know if it was WWF or WCW, I can't remember, but I swear I read it somewhere, because Sting usually wears a black trench coat when he comes out to the ring and they had him not wear it for a while following the attack. I also remember reading they dedicated one of the shows to the victim, I just can't remember who.

I'm a wrestling fan, just saw SmackDown live this week and it reminded me of this, so I had to ask if anyone remembers.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:50 pm

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OK, I tried doing a search for my question because I vaguely remember reading it somewhere. Maybe it was in the old forum, I don't know.

Which victim was a fan of wrestling? I don't know if it was WWF or WCW, I can't remember, but I swear I read it somewhere, because Sting usually wears a black trench coat when he comes out to the ring and they had him not wear it for a while following the attack. I also remember reading they dedicated one of the shows to the victim, I just can't remember who.

I'm a wrestling fan, just saw SmackDown live this week and it reminded me of this, so I had to ask if anyone remembers.

It was Matt Kechter.

An April 26th 1999 episode of 'Raw is War' by the World Wrestling Federation (now WWE) was dedicated to Matt Kechter.

The dedication came right at the beginning of the show:
"Earlier Today,
The World Wrestling Federation received a request from the parents of Mathew Kechter to join them tonight in remembering their son, his friends and classmates who lost their lives in the senseless tragedy at Columbine High School.
The WWF joins parents, teachers and community leaders in recognizing the importance of banding together to meet the needs of troubled teens. Violence is never an answer. Through communication we will hopefully find a solution.
In memory of all who lost their lives we ask everyone to join us in a moment of silence."

I did try to post the link to the full show which was on YouTube but recently blocked on copyright grounds. The episode is available in parts on Daily Motion but does not include the dedication.
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Part 2 is in the sidebar. I'm not sure if Columbine is mentioned at all during the show.

I wonder if Matt was as caught up in some of the extremely far fetched story lines portrayed by the WWF as i was in 1999  Smile 

Rival Wrestling company World Championship Wrestling (WCW) had a character named Berlyn who was supposed to make his debut just after the Columbine tragedy.
The character wore a long dark coat, dark sunglasses and also spoke German on the programming and refused to speak any English. Berlyn's debut was delayed as there was concern over the similar dress style between himself and Eric and Dylan. He made his debut on August 30th 1999 on Monday Nitro.
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WCW also apparently asked Wrestler 'Sting' not to wear his trademark black trenchcoat on the show in the aftermath of the shooting. I don't have a source for this at the moment but I've seen this mentioned in a couple of different articles.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:07 pm

Wow. Thank you! I didn't know about Berlyn. I don't remember that character, but I was into the WWF more than the WCW. I do know that the new WWE network may eventually put old episodes online. It would be nice if they did and I could watch it.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:45 am

Was Kyle expelled from his previous school for bullying younger kids?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:07 pm

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Was Kyle expelled from his previous school for bullying younger kids?

He was expelled for setting a shirt on fire in the gym at his old school.He was accused of trying to burn the gym down by the school ,but I don't know if that was his true intent or not.He also got in legal trouble for making harassing phone calls .His parents claimed he was put up to it by other boys.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:20 am

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. I knew he hadn't been at Columbine long but wasn't sure why he'd joined half way through a school year.

I went looking for the answer and found someone saying he was expelled for bullying (spitting at kids etc) and the fire incident you mentioned.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:56 pm

I had never heard that he had bullied anyone.This is new to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri May 02, 2014 2:35 pm

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I had never heard that he had bullied anyone.This is new to me.

Sounds like a rumor.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:41 am

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I know Danny Rohrbough's parents were divorced and both had remarried.
I always wondered if Danny Rohrbough had any siblings? Or maybe half or step siblings?

I think I remember seeing something about Danny having a few step siblings via his dad's wife. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:52 pm

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I know Danny Rohrbough's parents were divorced and both had remarried.
I always wondered if Danny Rohrbough had any siblings? Or maybe half or step siblings?

I think I remember seeing something about Danny having a few step siblings via his dad's wife. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.

I'm not aware if Danny had  or would have had any siblings on his mothers side. But he would have had two step siblings via his fathers side.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:37 pm

How tall was Isaiah? I keep reading he was really small for a football player/ wrestler.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:18 pm

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How tall was Isaiah? I keep reading he was really small for a football player/ wrestler.

Isaiah's autopsy reports that he measured 56 inches in length and weighed 111 pounds pg(3).
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I've seen references to Isaiah been around 5 feet tall. The following article describes him as "hardly more than five feet tall."
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:31 pm

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Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...


Craig Scott is an actor. He played the part of Older Gunnar in Hall Pass, if I remember correctly.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:09 pm

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Does anyone out there know of famous (or semi-famous) relatives of any of the victims (those killed or injured) at Columbine? Just curious to know...


Craig Scott is an actor. He played the part of Older Gunnar in Hall Pass, if I remember correctly.

He was in 'Hall Pass.' There's an IMDb page here for Craig Scott:
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I have not seen the movie Hall Pass but i remember someone once mentioning they had seen him in it, apparently he only appears for a very short space of time. He seems to have done quite a few producing jobs for movies too.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:36 pm

Just searching around on IMDB about Craig Scott, He was in Dumber and Dumber To, which also starred an actress named Lauren Townsend; Weird coincidence

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:04 pm

Was Lauren Townsend on th theatre group with rachel and dylan?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:51 am

Two more questions:
1) Read some conflicting reports. Who fired the shots that criticlaly injured Hochhalter?
2) Was it finally determined whose bullets shot Rachel Joy Scott and who fired the lethal one?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:44 pm

I don't think so.

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Was Lauren Townsend on th theatre group with rachel and dylan?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:46 pm

Eric killed Rachel. I am not sure on the other question.


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2) Was it finally determined whose bullets shot Rachel Joy Scott and who fired the lethal one?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:23 am

Where can I find the heights of the victims?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:28 pm

Rachel was 5'4,Cassie was 5'8, Lauren was 5'10,Isaiah was around 5'5.

Those are the only ones I know.


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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:16 pm

Which of the victims were not originally from Colorado? I know Kelly's family moved from Arizona only a year and a half before Columbine, and John was from Wisconsin. Others?
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