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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:02 am

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Which of the victims were not originally from Colorado? I know Kelly's family moved from Arizona only a year and a half before Columbine, and John was from Wisconsin. Others?

I'm pretty sure they are the only two (at least of the victims that were killed).

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:05 am

Which of the victims had transferred to Columbine? Cassie, Kelly, Kyle. Others?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:08 pm

Does anyone know about Lauren's mom? The Lifetime film Dawn Anna was made about her/Columbine.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:03 pm

When did Ann Marie's mother commit suicide? Was it shortly after the attacks?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:10 pm

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When did Ann Marie's mother commit suicide? Was it shortly after the attacks?

She died in october 99. So roughly 6 months after the attacks
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:40 am



Does anyone have the unedited versions of the footage in these clips? Not sure what's up with the edit..it's quite eerie to watch.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:44 am

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Does anyone have the unedited versions of the footage in these clips? Not sure what's up with the edit..it's quite eerie to watch.
I believe Rachel herself edited it that way. If I am not wrong that was her own video. I think the most creepy-weird was the coincidence that she filmed Danny and he ends up one of the victims too.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:52 am

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Does anyone have the unedited versions of the footage in these clips? Not sure what's up with the edit..it's quite eerie to watch.
I believe Rachel herself edited it that way. If I am not wrong that was her own video. I think the most creepy-weird was the coincidence that she filmed Danny and he ends up one of the victims too.

I'm not sure about that. I think it's more likely someone has edited these clips. I know she conducted a small interview with Daniel Rohrbough about the school's vending machines and you can briefly see him in the video I've posted, but I've yet to see unedited versions of the videos.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:58 am

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I'm not sure about that. I think it's more likely someone has edited these clips. I know she conducted a small interview with Daniel Rohrbough about the school's vending machines and you can briefly see him in the video I've posted, but I've yet to see unedited versions of the videos.
Well I don't know. Long time back I did read someone said she edited it like that, cause I was wondering what was up with the transitions. I can't recall where I've watched the unedited interview clips she made.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:33 pm

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Did Daniel Mauser push the chair or did his body betray him and jerk with the impact of being shot somewhere minor? (I'm pretty sure it was his shoulder but I'm not 100%)

I want to bump this cuz I've always wanted to know. I doubt we'll ever truly know despite the conversation between Eric and Dylan regarding this. Hero's are usually born of courage which is born out of fear.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:13 am

Good question. I was settling with the fact that Daniel fought back cause he was bad-ass but what if it was a natural jerk that caused him his life.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:28 am

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So they were sitting where I marked the yellow square, right?
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Yes, that is where they were sitting. Here is another picture. They were probably sitting on the railroad tie.

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It can also be seen in the video where LE are dragging Scott and Castaldo to the fire truck, you can see where they were located before LE got to them. (I'm still amazed when I see that footage, the way they drag Castaldo could've injured him even more, what kind of training did they get to just drag someone's body across the pavement like that? Did they not realize he was still alive? And then they decide to place Rachel's body directly next to the path where they lead other children to safety. After a large amount of children passed her body, they decide to just drag her some more, through the mud, and then leave her there. Shame on you, LE!)
You have this video?? Pls.

I have question Kelly was sitting exactly where the shooting?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:25 am

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So they were sitting where I marked the yellow square, right?
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Yes, that is where they were sitting. Here is another picture. They were probably sitting on the railroad tie.

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It can also be seen in the video where LE are dragging Scott and Castaldo to the fire truck, you can see where they were located before LE got to them. (I'm still amazed when I see that footage, the way they drag Castaldo could've injured him even more, what kind of training did they get to just drag someone's body across the pavement like that? Did they not realize he was still alive? And then they decide to place Rachel's body directly next to the path where they lead other children to safety. After a large amount of children passed her body, they decide to just drag her some more, through the mud, and then leave her there. Shame on you, LE!)
You have this video?? Pls.

I have question Kelly was sitting exactly where the shooting?

Kelly's postition as well as others can be found here
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And Rachel being moved
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Pretty much all info about the victims can be found thru search
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:59 am

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Did Daniel Mauser push the chair or did his body betray him and jerk with the impact of being shot somewhere minor? (I'm pretty sure it was his shoulder but I'm not 100%)

I want to bump this cuz I've always wanted to know.  I doubt we'll ever truly know despite the conversation between Eric and Dylan regarding this.  Hero's are usually born of courage which is born out of fear.  


look into the dialogue notes (in the 11k?) and I think you'll find where Dylan asked Eric if one of the victims tried to "fight back".. going off of memory I believe it was Daniel Mauser.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:30 pm

Referencing Daniel Mauser


Page 000334:

Lindsay stated that a boy at the table in front of her apparently moved and was shot at least five times. One of the suspects said "so he tried to jump ya"


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There was a blonde boy under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Elmore wasn't really looking but heard shots near table # 9. After the gunshots, one the gunmen stated something to the effect of "was he trying to jump out at you?" and the other one responded, "yeah."


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After Harris shot Mauser the second time the other gunman asked him, something to the effect of, "Did he try to jump you?"

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:28 am

Does anyone know how Kelly Fleming was shot? Close or distant?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:15 am

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Does anyone know how Kelly Fleming was shot? Close or distant?

Close range, in the back.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:54 am

Poor girl, curious if she saw she would shoot her

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:51 am

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Poor girl, curious if she saw she would shoot her

I doubt she saw it coming, he came up from behind and shot her. Death almost instant though, thank god for that.

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:38 pm

Lisa Kreutz reference to a girl crawling up and laying beside her with blond hair. The only girl that could have been was Kelly Fleming - excluding the recollection of blond hair. If that was Kelly, which it more than likely was, she was alive for a little while after getting shot.

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FLEMING, KELLY
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PATHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSES:

1. Penetrating shotgun wound to the trunk with:

A. Entrance, left lower back.

B. Recovery of projectiles, within projectile path, mainly within the left upper chest and left
neck.

C. Perforating lacerations of the left kidney, left adrenal, stomach, esophagus, spleen, liver,
bilateral lungs, heart and thoracic aorta.

D. Associated bilateral hemothoraces, hemopericardium, hemomediastinum and
hemoperitoneum.

E. Fracture of the left hip (ilium) including associated hemoretroperitoneum.

2. Recent cutaneous abraded contusion of the right knee.

3. Early postmortem decomposition.

OPINION:

This 16-year-old female sustained a shotgun wound at her high school. She was pronounced dead at the scene. Her death is attributed to multiple visceral and vascular lacerations due to a penetrating shotgun wound to the trunk. Toxicologic analyses of body fluids obtained at the time of autopsy were negative. In view of the scene and circumstances surrounding the death and autopsy findings, the manner of death is classified as homicide.


Pages 011144/011150: Harris moves northeast of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and shoots Fleming once with the pump action shotgun (pellets). From the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Harris fires the pump action shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Townsend, Park, and Kreutz with pellets. Observed by Savage (LG25)rBiair (LG18), Kreutz (LYIO), Schnurr (LY9) and Park (LYI 1) and Perez (LG17).

Page 012250: Victim [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], later identified as KELLY FLEMING, was found lying on the floor in a prone position to the southeast of Table 2. She was dressed in a black shirt, denim pants and black/white tennis shoes. An entry wound consistent with a shotgun discharge was present in the lower left
back of the body. The plastic shotgun cup/wad was present in the wound tract. Several associated pellet holes were present adjacent to the main entry wound. Drainage of blood from the wound was minimal and consistent with the position of the body as found. Drainage of blood from the nose/mouth area was consistent with the position of the body as found. No other bloodstains were present on the body. Photographs were taken of the position of the body, the bloodstains present on the body, and the bloodstains on the carpet surrounding the body.

Page 012253: Autopsy results from Dr. Dobersen on KELLY FLEMING indicated a single shotgun blast entered the lower left back, traveled straight upward, and the pellets were contained in the upper left back area. The acute angle of travel through the body indicated that the victim was in a
prone or near prone position when shot.

Page 012255: Personal items identified as FLEMING'S were found on and under the northeast corner of Table 4. The corresponding chair was moved back from the table. Examination of Table 4 and the six chairs associated with it did not reveal any bloodstains or bullet impact sites. No other person's belongings were found on Table 4.


*Question: Was the left hip fracture a result of being shot? How did she bruise her right knee? What position was she in when she was shot? Was she crawling or trying to get away before being shot?

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:34 pm

Maybe she was in shock because she thought she had blond hair.
I heard Kelly tried to change the place and then Eric shot her

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:18 pm

Kelly's mother once described Kelly's hair as golden blonde. I've often wondered about her position. Bcs they shot Lauren then John then came back and got Kelly. She must have not been where she laid at an earlier time.
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Because she was not even hiding under the table, there was no place for her. Maybe if she lay down and pretending to be dead she would survive ...

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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:53 pm

Would anyone happen to have page numbers for any and all information referencing Daniel Mauser in the 11k?
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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:00 pm

Library Injured - Pages 000002-000179

Library Witnesses - Pages 000267-000650

There is some information about Daniel referenced in those pages.



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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:54 pm

Being that today is Eric's birthday, I thought I might ask this, (and forgive me if it has been answered somewhere before.)  Does anyone know what time Eric was born?

just realized I posted this on the wrong place. LOL I'll take it to the right one.


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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:08 pm

This website says he was born at 9:37pm.

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He was born in Wichita, Kansas not Plattsburgh, NY.


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PostSubject: Re: Questions about the victims?   Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:35 pm

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Library Injured - Pages 000002-000179

Library Witnesses - Pages 000267-000650

There is some information about Daniel referenced in those pages.

Thank you.

One other question regarding Daniel Mauser. Does anyone know of any articles or blog posts where people share their memories of him? I've read the ones on his memorial website as well as the ones in Mr. Mauser's book, Walking in Daniel's Shoes, but I'm looking for any additional ones.


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