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Subject: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:25 am
It would shut up the hoaxers....
Scarletmoon
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:06 am
This I agree with. There is not a whole lot of information or images of the Sandy Hook shooting, I think that may put some conspiracies to rest. Then again, even with proof some people are too stubborn to accept the truth.
sscc
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:07 am
The problem is that, to my knowledge, there was no CCTV inside or outside of the school. There was a video intercom system at the front door but no security video was recorded and it was only used to view visitors requesting entry. Maybe there was video from another angle recorded by nearby businesses or police cameras but I have not heard of anything like that existing. Assuming that anything did exist, I would guess that they would still probably decline to release it, based on how much information they chose to redact within the police files. I don't think one video would persuade the hoaxers at this point.
Scarletmoon
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:10 am
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I find it so strange that there are barely any photos and 0 videos of this shooting. Once upon a time, I did believe this was a hoax just for the lack of evidence.
sscc
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:17 am
Scarletmoon wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I find it so strange that there are barely any photos and 0 videos of this shooting. Once upon a time, I did believe this was a hoax just for the lack of evidence.
You're not alone but it doesn't seem that strange to me. When you say photo and videos, do you mean of the shooting itself or the aftermath? This shooting was over in less than ten minutes so the news cameras were not there to capture anything and it was an elementary school so cell phone videos were unlikely to be taken or to make it out of the school. The police took care to redact crime scene photos and videos, presumably to be respectful of the victims' families. I think about the evidence we have seen from other shootings and I don't think this one is too out of the ordinary. Sometimes we see nothing and sometimes we see much more. The difference here might be that most victims were either mildly injured or dead before leaving the school so we did not see gory injuries caught by news cameras and that the victims were so young that there was special consideration given to protecting their privacy. Maybe I am just easily convinced but it's understandable to me why we haven't seen any leaked photographs or videos. I do think there's a possibility that Lanza's autopsy photos might be leaked some day.
I also want to point out that there do appear to be gunshots audible on some parts of the 911 calls.
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abstractsmigs
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:27 am
In time, there will be more information of different forms on the shooting and Adam's life. Like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said, the shooting itself was very short and the media more so covered the aftermath. However, there is still information and footage, at least on Lanza himself, that is redacted and will likely one day be available. The redacted information and footage I am most interested in is the unreleased contents from his computer.
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:39 am
sscc wrote:
I also want to point out that there do appear to be gunshots audible on some parts of the 911 calls.
Have you seen the video by SandyHookFacts (youtube channel) where he matches the gunshot times with the times heard on the 911 calls?
sscc
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:24 pm
abstractsmigs wrote:
sscc wrote:
I also want to point out that there do appear to be gunshots audible on some parts of the 911 calls.
Have you seen the video by SandyHookFacts (youtube channel) where he matches the gunshot times with the times heard on the 911 calls?
No, I had not. I don't watch many videos on this subject because the majority of Youtube videos on Sandy Hook seem to support the hoax theory. Thank you very much for mentioning this. I didn't know that the first pistol shot was fired right before the suicide shot. I think I had read this person's analysis of the shooting on a blog before but this fact escaped my attention.
Here's the video for anyone interested in watching.
Scarletmoon
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:15 pm
sscc wrote:
abstractsmigs wrote:
sscc wrote:
I also want to point out that there do appear to be gunshots audible on some parts of the 911 calls.
Have you seen the video by SandyHookFacts (youtube channel) where he matches the gunshot times with the times heard on the 911 calls?
No, I had not. I don't watch many videos on this subject because the majority of Youtube videos on Sandy Hook seem to support the hoax theory. Thank you very much for mentioning this. I didn't know that the first pistol shot was fired right before the suicide shot. I think I had read this person's analysis of the shooting on a blog before but this fact escaped my attention.
Here's the video for anyone interested in watching.
Oh wow! I don't know how I missed this video when I was researching this case, this is extremely informative. Also [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I should have specified, I meant about Adam and the aftermath. I thought the shooting lasted 15 minutes but even then, I didn't expect to see videos or photos of the actual shooting itself.
abstractsmigs
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:33 am
I would recommend looking at some of the other videos on that channel. He spends a lot of time debunking popular hoax theories.
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:59 am
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Scarletmoon wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I find it so strange that there are barely any photos and 0 videos of this shooting. Once upon a time, I did believe this was a hoax just for the lack of evidence.
I suspect that one of the reasons why is because the crime involved small children and at a general level that's more upsetting to people than say, Columbine for example.
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:21 am
Is it true that Adam initially wanted to go to the high school because of a claim during investigation that the car he drove was seen by the high school Parking lot but because there were police cars there he left and went to the elementary school instead.
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sscc
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Subject: Re: Will they ever release the Sandy Hook CCTV? Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:34 am
shades wrote:
Is it true that Adam initially wanted to go to the high school because of a claim during investigation that the car he drove was seen by the high school Parking lot but because there were police cars there he left and went to the elementary school instead.
This seems to be untrue though there were early leads that suggested it might be the case.
The concluding report states
State's Attorney Report wrote:
CSP investigated a lead that the shooter went to Newtown High School before going to SHES. In the course of this investigation one parent refused to let her high school child be interviewed by police and related that a friend of the child had told the child they saw the shooter in the parking lot before the shooting. A review of Newtown High School video did not substantiate this claim.
Also, another report states
Child Advocate Report wrote:
The attack on Sandy Hook Elementary appears to have been a purposefully thought-out and planned attack—AL did not just “snap.” He visited the school’s website on numerous occasions. He had looked at the student handbook and viewed security procedures at the school.
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