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PostSubject: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:55 pm

I have been Listing to sandy hook 911 calls [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] i only heard 4 gunshots when Lanza belived to have fires 150+ rounds from his ar-15
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:35 pm

I watched this on youtube. Long but really good. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I do believe it was fake BTW.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:10 am

I'm of the belief Sandy Hook, Aurora, and the Oklahoma City bombing were all fabricated. It just seems so...faux.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:11 am

here is a 2 hour doc about sandy hook the guy that made this doc also made other videos about sandy hook                   [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:21 am

I've seen quite a few of these Sandy Hook was a fake type videos on YouTube. I find it interesting in any case to look at things from all different angles before coming to my own conclusion about what happened. However i feel like i don't know enough about the case as a whole to really identify what is and isn't accurate information in some of the YouTube documentaries.
I feel it's a lot like someone reading Cullen's Columbine book and knowing nothing or very little about the Columbine case itself, it would be difficult for someone to pick out what is and what isn't accurate.  
But i am still interested in what others, who maybe know a little more about the case than i do think of these 'Sandy Hook was a Hoax' videos? Do they bring up valid points that cannot be explained in any other way? Or do they contradict the actual evidence etc? It would be great to hear from others  who have a greater knowledge on this case.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:22 pm

I highly doubt that Aurora/Sandy Hook were fake. People came up with the same kind of crazy conspiracy theories (e.g. mind control, the crime being an inside job) right after Columbine, so how are they any different? The only reason we don't have a lot of info on James Holmes or Adam Lanza is because those cases happened quite recently. It took almost six years for E&D's journals to be released. Six years. And god knows how long it's going to take to release the basement tapes, if they're ever released.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:36 am

there are no gunshots that i heard in call no.1 and its said that Adam Lanza fired 154 bullets from his rifle in less than five minutes. Excluding the last shot. if he did it would have been MORE noise in the calls.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:58 pm

If you were to talk with survivors from these shootings, I can assure you that these SHOOTINGS were REAL and that REAL people DIED !

It is so disrespectful to the surviving families of the victims in these cases when someone says these things never happened.



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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:34 pm

In my opinion I believe sandy hook did happen. A lot of people just point out things, and blow them out of proportion. Now every shooting that occurs is an apparent "hoax"
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:44 pm

Plenty of this hoax conspiracy is used to defend special interests like gun rights.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:20 am

I find it strange to believe any of these shootings could be hoaxes, who was playing the hoax..
the government? did they kill off lots of random people? or use actors to fabricate all these horrific episodes to get onto the news internationally, because faking a massacre serves what benefit?!? o.0
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:46 am

I can't bring myself to believe that it's fake, because not long after it happened, one of my teachers told us when class started, that he has a nephew who was there (in the gym) when the shooting took place. He did sound affected by it. I don't think one of my own high school teachers would lie to us like that, or that his own family and/or strangers would.

But, if you do believe that it's fake, then here's another thing I'll say: Since then, students can't enter from other parts of the building on their own (unless they knock to get someone's attention inside to open the door for them), and have to use the front entrance only. For a while, I had to get through the hallway by pushing through interior doors that were always left open until after Sandy Hook. That way, in case a dangerous person were to enter our school without any warning, s/he'd have to go all the way to the front, and having the push through the interior doors would likely slow him/her down, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Thu May 15, 2014 5:42 am

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Sandy Hook playground vandalised as second shooting memorial is defaced
Connecticut police investigate theft of sign dedicated to victim, as well as phone call saying shootings were a 'hoax'
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This seemed the most appropriate thread to post this article in as we were discussing the theory some may believe that Sandy Hook was a hoax.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:53 am

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:44 pm

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I'm of the belief Sandy Hook, Aurora, and the Oklahoma City bombing were all fabricated. It just seems so...faux.
Mark Howitt is awesome IMO.

I don't believe it to be fake as much as a hoax used to domineer human emotion. There is/was a ton to gain from overplaying the situation. I don't subscribe to a lot of what happened, but I do believe Adam Lanza was used in the situation, same as Jared Loughner (they were real people who received littler to no treatment.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:17 pm

If Sandy Hook was not a staged event, it has to be up there with the worst handling of a shooting of all time. An hour to get one person to the hospital 12 miles away.

I think Sandy Hook, like a lot of other events like this have been snatched by both sides of the conspiracy teams. I am a fan of ReviewManify and teamwakeemup, but i think the Sofia Smallstorm doc was much, much better put together.

On the flip side of the coin, there are a ton of batshit halfwits creating videos that make us all look incapable of using common sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:29 am

I am also of the mindset that Sandy Hook was most likely a false flag, complete with crisis actors as part of an agenda to push gun control. Same with the Boston Marathon Bombing among others. I know its not the most popular belief, and I am the LAST person who wants to believe that a shooting was staged, but in some cases there are far too many discrepancies. ALL closed casket funerals, NO pictures of injured or deceased children, not a single family filed a law suit? In the case of Columbine almost every single family who had a child killed or even injured filed a law suit, yet at Sandy Hook not even one family filed? Not to mention when you compare the 911 calls from SHE to Columbine, you can hear a HUGE difference in the raw emotion and fear from Patty Nielson in the library whereas most people calling in from SHE seem pretty calm and collected despite young children supposedly being murdered... Just a thought. I'm open to being incorrect and would certainly like to see what new information gets released over the years. That is just my opinion as things stand now.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:28 pm

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I am also of the mindset that Sandy Hook was most likely a false flag, complete with crisis actors as part of an agenda to push gun control. Same with the Boston Marathon Bombing among others. I know its not the most popular belief, and I am the LAST person who wants to believe that a shooting was staged, but in some cases there are far too many discrepancies. ALL closed casket funerals, NO pictures of injured or deceased children, not a single family filed a law suit? In the case of Columbine almost every single family who had a child killed or even injured filed a law suit, yet at Sandy Hook not even one family filed? Not to mention when you compare the 911 calls from SHE to Columbine, you can hear a HUGE difference in the raw emotion and fear from Patty Nielson in the library whereas most people calling in from SHE seem pretty calm and collected despite young children supposedly being murdered... Just a thought. I'm open to being incorrect and would certainly like to see what new information gets released over the years. That is just my opinion as things stand now.

You are kind of right about this, I also think that there are a few weird things around these cases but we have to remember that they are very recent and the police very unlikely release everything so soon, the police would never release immediately and later pictures of dead kids, closed caskets could be for respect or a parents desire and with the Boston bombing there were pictures of injured people.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:41 am

No, it's real. I just finished reading the 114 page report on AL's mental health and everything just makes sense I personally know people who have Aspergers and I can see (some of the) similarities.

Further more the evidence these "truthers" give is laughable like that dad smiling before giving an interview like seriously? Why would the goverment stage such events? gun control? if you believe that you have the IQ of a petfish.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:09 pm

If any of you seriously think sandy hook (or indeed any other tragedy) was fake, how bout you go say that directly to the survivors you insensitive moronic psychopaths.

The fact is that after any tragedy, everyone tries to use it for their agenda. Republicans want more guns, liberals want to tighten gun laws. Some morons want to ban all video games, others actually have it right and want to improve mental health care access.

If this was staged for passing stricter gun laws, sure it got stricter in Conetticut and probably the rest of the northeast, but gun laws seem to have stayed the same everywhere else. I don't like the government much (and indeed most of us west-siders) but I seriously doubt they did this.

I seem to be the only one who thinks this, but maybe we should blame the SHOOTER for the shootings. They're the ones who decide to go postal. Blame them for the events.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:27 am

I don't think Sandy Hook was fake but I do think the political reaction to it was distorted to try and get better gun control. The Obama fake crying was particularly cringe-worthy in the media circus surrounding the tragedy.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:13 am

Sandy Hook was real. The deaths were real. Adam's suffering was real.

People need to get their heads out of all the american brainwashing machine.


I doa agree however taht after this very real massacre, people of all sorts are trying to use it to forward their own petty political and social agendas - gun laws, anti-psychiatric movement, moves for wider public mental health etc.

Some may be right, but fact is - they are abusing the tragedy for their own end. Surfing on the wave of tombstones.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:51 am

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Sandy Hook was real. The deaths were real. Adam's suffering was real.

People need to get their heads out of all the american brainwashing machine.


I doa agree however taht after this very real massacre, people of all sorts are trying to use it to forward their own petty political and social agendas - gun laws, anti-psychiatric movement, moves for wider public mental health etc.

Some may be right, but fact is - they are abusing the tragedy for their own end. Surfing on the wave of tombstones.

Kind of ironic isn't it, that all these people are saying it was fake and a brainwashing technique, when they are the ones being brainwashed themselves?

All the masses of evidence for the shooting, and the biggest whole they can find is that the gun shots weren't louder?

To all you idiots thinking it was fake, why don't you go and fire some gunshots in Sandy Hook elementary, see how loud it sounds on the phone, and then shove that phone up your asses. Think I'm being disrespectful? Maybe that's how all the families of vicitims feel about your claims that their beloved didn't really die, and that their mourning is fake.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:24 pm

I think people can be very ignorant at times, but then again people could easily say that about me. But in all seriousness I think that Sandy Hook was very real, and for the government to fake it would absolutely serve no purpose whatsoever. Say the government did set up a fake shooting, how would that affect the government? Well it would continue to increase a negative perception about the US and gun control, so if anything the government would be sabotaging itself.

I get a little sick of conspiracy theories mainly because people seem to ignore many basic and obvious factors. But then again all people are entitled to their own opinions.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:02 am

I don't believe it happened. A lot of the information and evidence doesn't add up right. To be honest though I'm more interested in discussing it as fact, if only just to see how well the masses were tricked. I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but I'm even less of a US government supporter. I envy those who live in this country who actually feel looked after and cared for.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:50 am

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I don't believe it happened. A lot of the information and evidence doesn't add up right. To be honest though I'm more interested in discussing it as fact, if only just to see how well the masses were tricked. I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but I'm even less of a US government supporter. I envy those who live in this country who actually feel looked after and cared for.

Any specifics of evidence?

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:29 am

You want a great argument that Adam Lanza was real?


Years after the massacre SILKRAt has uncovered and with the help of Reed Coleman obtained proof that Adam had a youtube account and stuff he posted tehre add up.

The youtube account? Nobody knew about it before. The government did not know, it did not make it public. If it hadn't been for me and another SILKRAT member, nobody would ever know that the youtube user "fuckcomments" was Adam Lanza.

If it is all a conspiracy and all the youtube comments (including ones posted to my own movie) were planted by FBI agents before the shooting, then it would makes sense that the police should then "uncover" said fuckcomments account and it should be somehow used to forward the governments agenda.

But that's not what happened. You don't mke big covert operation planting a fake user on youtube just to let it lie never uncovered, until some entirely random polish person decides to give a fuck.

The user account fuckcomments remained unknown and would still remain so if it wasn't for me and SILKRAT. We gave the info to Coleman, he made it public. Like it or not, I myself am directly a key source of information about Adam Lanza.



So, if you think Adam Lanza and SH was fake, then you must logically now conclude that I myself am an agent of the US government and was planted here on the old forums back in 2007 (5 years before Sandy Hook) to build up my "cover story".

If there's a conspiracy, I must be a part. So come on, confront me about it. Make my day.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:16 am

Let's be honest, how many of you people calling fake on this just want to see pictures of dead shit? Be honest, now.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:59 pm

How did you know that 'fuckcomments' was Adam?
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook Fake?   Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:27 pm

one of the main reasons of it feeling fake is lack of evidence, I'm sure modern schools have cameras so there must be something.. also hard to believe someone like Adam could learn how to drive a car and Columbine is talked about and remembered for years and new evidence pops up all the time, but seems this one is just buried and forgotten.
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