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 More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?

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PostSubject: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 5:12 pm

What do you guys think about these conspiracies that there have been more than 2 shooters?
Especially these rumors about Brooks Brown. Together with the lots of different eye-witnesses who described people with guns who wore different clothes than Dylan and Eric wore this all looks a bit weird to me actually. There are even eye-witnesses who claimed to have seen masked shooters. Did Eric and Dylan wear masks and then put them down in the school? Why would they do so?
It's all pretty weird.

Do we know anything clear about it, or does anyone have plausible arguments?
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PostSubject: Re: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 5:42 pm

Eric Harris was masked at the beginning of the rampage. He quickly shed his duster and skimask, though. It was dark green. But... again, this fact is disputed. The mask and gloves depicted in the photo could have been inside the pocket of the duster, and removed when they were photographed (this is a common practice in crime scene photography, as far as I know).
I don't know where it states this in any reports - it's 2am, and I'm far too lazy to find them haha.
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PostSubject: Re: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 6:29 pm

What about these witnesses though?
watch?v=qM0KucUrRmY

And then especially this 2 videos combined together:
watch?v=RHefZGoJz24
watch?v=9NwlmJkHQtI
(sry can't post links yet so I can't give the full links. Hope this is okay anyways though)

Especially the reports of the guy with the hat are very interesting.
What would someone throw on a rooftop while there are two people shooting near him? He would have ran if he wasn't connected with the shooting and not throw some stuff on the roof, even if it wasn't bombs that just makes no sense.
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That day everyone was really nervous and stressed by the situation. Those claims about other shooters could be a product of their mind because they werent calm in that moment and everything happened very fast and in a scary way for them. Besides that Eric and Dylan were wearing their trench coats in the beginning and later they took them off, what could confused many witnesses that saw them more than once.

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PostSubject: Re: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeMon Jun 30, 2014 3:17 am

There were a lot of people who claimed there was a third shooter. I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he used to belong in the TCM and was supposedly named specifically by several witnesses.

It was subject to many discussions and there was even a YouTube documentary made with the issue as one of the main topics discussed. A specific point brought up in the doco was that the mother of the boy in question worked for JeffCo... I think they were implying that a coverup had taken place. Questions certainly were raised about the investigation as a whole, there was incompetency aplenty from JeffCo.

But you will find a big incident will expose any cracks so to speak -- just look at Malasia Airlines after MH370 went missing. Every man and their dog reckon there is a coverup; I myself believe that the company is just incompetent and their incompetency has been shown up on a world stage.

I myself believe that several people saw they boys with their trench coats both on and off; which would to many look like there could have been up to four different shooters, when there were only two.
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Juicy Jazzy wrote:
There were a lot of people who claimed there was a third shooter. I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he used to belong in the TCM and was supposedly named specifically by several witnesses.

It was subject to many discussions and there was even a YouTube documentary made with the issue as one of the main topics discussed. A specific point brought up in the doco was that the mother of the boy in question worked for JeffCo... I think they were implying that a coverup had taken place. Questions certainly were raised about the investigation as a whole, there was incompetency aplenty from JeffCo.

But you will find a big incident will expose any cracks so to speak -- just look at Malasia Airlines after MH370 went missing. Every man and their dog reckon there is a coverup; I myself believe that  the company is just incompetent and their incompetency has been shown up on a world stage.

I myself believe that several people saw they boys with their trench coats both on and off; which would to many look like there could have been up to four different shooters, when there were only two.

You're thinking of Robert Perry?
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if i remember correctly i posted a post that was merged it to the columbine pictures

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Koltin wrote:
if i remember correctly i posted a post that was merged it to the columbine pictures
That's the name! Smile
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they possibly left the library to try to det. some tanks partly succseeding blowing the school they then left and re entered the lib. and SUPPOSEDLY killed them self

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PostSubject: Re: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeMon Jun 30, 2014 2:31 pm

BaseTape2 wrote:
What about these witnesses though?
watch?v=qM0KucUrRmY

And then especially this 2 videos combined together:
watch?v=RHefZGoJz24
watch?v=9NwlmJkHQtI
(sry can't post links yet so I can't give the full links. Hope this is okay anyways though)

Especially the reports of the guy with the hat are very interesting.
What would someone throw on a rooftop while there are two people shooting near him? He would have ran if he wasn't connected with the shooting and not throw some stuff on the roof, even if it wasn't bombs that just makes no sense.

Video 1: Chris Wisher pg(1260 - 6)

Video 2: Is the second video titled "Columbine more than 2 shooters? Part 2?"
The poster claims the footage has 8 minuets missing, from 11:28 - 11:36. The full CCTV footage does not have this mysterious gap:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LfwliEvCVY
The two individuals running were custodians.

Another member posted this which may be of interest:

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wait... they said they changed tapes. why on the same day why does it change from 8:50 am to 10 am

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Koltin wrote:
wait... they said they changed tapes. why on the same day why does it change from 8:50 am to 10 am

The date at 8:50 is not 4/20, it's from a different day. The April 20th footage on begins at 10:33.



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PostSubject: Re: More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters?   More than Eric and Dylan were there as shooters? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 02, 2014 1:03 am

oh my bad.. But i viewed a video of some one saying that dylan went to check on the bombs and he entered the cafe via its entrance
EDIT: Hold on it jumped time from april the 6th to 20th
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oh my bad.. But i viewed a video of some one saying that dylan went to check on the bombs and he entered the cafe via its entrance
EDIT: Hold on it jumped time from april the 6th to 20th

There are several cafeteria witnesses that reported Dylan briefly entering the cafeteria, many believe he did so to check on the bombs.

It's an easy mistake to make with the tapes.
I'm sure everyone is aware of this but it's worth nothing while on topic:

11:14 - Tape stops recording
11:22 - Tape restarts recording

This particular time gap is due to a school custodian changing the cafeteria surveillance video tapes. Thus coincidentally failing to record the placement of the cafeteria bombs.  

Anthony Arnold changed the tapes on 4/20:
"After lunch he returned to the custodial closet between 11:10 am, and 11:15 am, and changed the tape." pg(12239)
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but WHY is it on the same tape

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Koltin wrote:
but WHY is it on the same tape

Why is footage from April 6th on the tape from April 20th?
This would likely be because the tapes used to record the cafeteria footage were simply re-used. So I imagine the tape used on 4/20 was originally used on 4/6.

The purpose of the tapes was supposedly to document activity in the cafeteria, especially for students who left trash. Anthony Arnold pg(12238 - 41) says it was his job to review the tapes periodically to catch any students who left trash. He would have to change the VCR tapes throughout the day as a VCR would have a limited recording time. When he would remove one tape he would then insert another.
Rather than using several tapes a day then throwing them away, it was probably sensible to just re-record over older tapes if they were no longer of any use.
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Isn't it only the first few seconds of the tape that are from 4/6? It is probably just as queenfarooq said, that they recorded over a tape previously used but it probably didn't rewind completely so there is a few seconds from a prior date.

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still the VHS tape does change color.

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Koltin wrote:
still the VHS tape does change color.

I think it is just because it is a VHS recording, and just something that happens.

If anyone used to use VHS tapes to record they will be aware that the quality is not the best. Especially if a tape is re-used.
I remember recording TV shows with a VHS tape as a child, sometimes if i re-recorded over  earlier footage this type of thing would happen. Sometimes older footage would show through, or there would be some fuzziness on the tape / color changes etc especially if recordings were stopped and restarted.  It is not difficult for a VHS tape to become damaged particularly when reused.
The tapes used to record the 4/20 footage may have been used several times before.
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fun thing is that the vhs compact is smaller than a dvd/cd well two steps back and one foward. BTW i prefer analog tapes for some reason

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This is most likely a bunch of conspiracy bullshit. Kind of an interesting theory though.
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