Which shooter do you believe had the best equipment setup?

Do you have any firearms Kłléyn?

<<-reBKa->> wrote:: Do you have any firearms Kłléyn?

No. I understand your concerns <<-reBKa->> so I will answer your question honestly. Worry not. I am 16, and I was not raised with firearms, nor am I in possession of any.

Have I shown that many red flags? Curious. If any of my posts are concerning to any degree—especially to the extent that would be required for one to ask that question—then do grasp that any immediate threat to human civilization is absolutely not possible or present in my life. Besides, I’d like to think that if I were going to do a shooting in the near future, I would not be making moronic posts on a public forum about which shooter had the best equipment. My posts are comedic, at most.

Apologies. It would seem I went a little far with the shitposting. Just bored.

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This you making threats?

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This you making threats?

Dude you are sensitive. I believe I said in a prior post that this was an identity decision. Yes, I see why you would be concerned. A sensitive topic, indeed, but this forum is a community of people that research mass murder. If you wanna report me, then that’s fine, because I don’t have issues. That was an edgy joke, and that is all. Technically classified as a threat. Do with this vague, irrelevant information what you will. For the record, I am already on the radar of my state and school district, so if you’re that readily disturbed or angered by my posts, then simply be aware that your comments would not be a revelation to the government. And there are plenty of teenagers more dangerous than me.

I am an innocent boy <<-reBKa->>

“shit-post-ing;” three syllables, friend.

And I am sorry if you were offended…

I also don’t feel like being interrogated by you over some random things I said when I was feeling pissy.

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Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: Have I shown that many red flags? Curious. If any of my posts are concerning to any degree—especially to the extent that would be required for one to ask that question—then do grasp that any immediate threat to human civilization is absolutely not possible or present in my life. Besides, I’d like to think that if I were going to do a shooting in the near future, I would not be making moronic posts on a public forum about which shooter had the best equipment. My posts are comedic, at most.

Your posts had tons of red flags

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Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: Have I shown that many red flags? Curious. If any of my posts are concerning to any degree—especially to the extent that would be required for one to ask that question—then do grasp that any immediate threat to human civilization is absolutely not possible or present in my life. Besides, I’d like to think that if I were going to do a shooting in the near future, I would not be making moronic posts on a public forum about which shooter had the best equipment. My posts are comedic, at most.

Your posts had tons of red flags

Whatever man. You ever think maybe I was entertaining myself by doing that intentionally? I don’t like the accusations very much. You are placing me in a position where my statements must be over-explained because you people are paranoid.

The very definition of language is that it is a subjective, twisting avenue. A game. Do you believe my posts are direct views into my mind, intentions, or actual thoughts on any matter? If so, then your irrationality is absurd. This is how individuals are placed into mental institutions because of off-handed comments. Off-handed comments often reflect the speaker’s true mind on a concept, but only indirectly, and furthermore are there countless exceptions to all rules.

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TheGoodChief wrote:

Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: Have I shown that many red flags? Curious. If any of my posts are concerning to any degree—especially to the extent that would be required for one to ask that question—then do grasp that any immediate threat to human civilization is absolutely not possible or present in my life. Besides, I’d like to think that if I were going to do a shooting in the near future, I would not be making moronic posts on a public forum about which shooter had the best equipment. My posts are comedic, at most.

Your posts had tons of red flags

Whatever man. You ever think maybe I was entertaining myself by doing that intentionally? I don’t like the accusations very much. You are placing me in a position where my statements must be over-explained because you people are paranoid.

bro i hear what you're saying, but people ARE paranoid. there have been multiple shooters that posted on this forum prior to what they did. of course they never said explicitly what they were planning like you've been threatening with your animal abuse and blowing your hands off. but i still think it's super understandable for people on this forum to be concerned. it usually takes a lot more on here for people to be paranoid compared to a place like r/masskillers, so this is seriously saying something. just reflect on what you've posted and where you've posted it for a moment. i don't understand how you can't see where people are coming from

It's hilarious how you learn to differentiate between feds of federal vs foreign intelligence agencies while browsing these forums. This guy is definitely getting fired either way lmao.

Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: Have I shown that many red flags? Curious. If any of my posts are concerning to any degree—especially to the extent that would be required for one to ask that question—then do grasp that any immediate threat to human civilization is absolutely not possible or present in my life. Besides, I’d like to think that if I were going to do a shooting in the near future, I would not be making moronic posts on a public forum about which shooter had the best equipment. My posts are comedic, at most.

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i dont know many shooters but wasnt adam lanzas mom totaly obsessed with guns, i mean theres multiple photos of him as a baby holding guns ... eric and dylan also had a lot of wepons, good thing most of them werent effective

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Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: For the record, I am already on the radar of my state and school district

A stunning admission on this forum of all places.

Anyways the answer to your question is Stephen Paddock, unless you believe the conspiracy theories.

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Not counting the most obvious, Raymond Spencer, he had several rifles, pistols, ammunition, scopes, heat gloves, and headphones, as well as a camera where he filmed the shooting and a baby monitor to monitor the police entrance.

Although he failed miserably

CoreyVanVonWeg wrote:: Not counting the most obvious, Raymond Spencer, he had several rifles, pistols, ammunition, scopes, heat gloves, and headphones, as well as a camera where he filmed the shooting and a baby monitor to monitor the police entrance.

Although he failed miserably

I wouldn’t say he failed. Honestly. I think Raymond Spencer was more of a case of just horrible luck. His plan was better than most. And though that alone wouldn’t be enough to claim something other than failure, he actually executed it quite well too. He just happened to not shoot many. That would be a more technically accurate way of putting it.

Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:

CoreyVanVonWeg wrote:: Not counting the most obvious, Raymond Spencer, he had several rifles, pistols, ammunition, scopes, heat gloves, and headphones, as well as a camera where he filmed the shooting and a baby monitor to monitor the police entrance.

Although he failed miserably

I wouldn’t say he failed. Honestly. I think Raymond Spencer was more of a case of just horrible luck. His plan was better than most. And though that alone wouldn’t be enough to claim something other than failure, he actually executed it quite well too. He just happened to not shoot many. That would be a more technically accurate way of putting it.

Well, the reason why he didn't shoot many is because he shot 5 minutes before classes ended, so when the first shots rang out, most of the people were inside the institute.

Also, according to the police, the quick police action also helped him stop shooting since apparently Raymond realized that there were snipers and was afraid of being shot so he simply surrendered.

So yes, maybe it's both of them, a failed plan on Raymond's part in shooting so hastily, and bad luck for the quick police response

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Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:

CoreyVanVonWeg wrote:: Not counting the most obvious, Raymond Spencer, he had several rifles, pistols, ammunition, scopes, heat gloves, and headphones, as well as a camera where he filmed the shooting and a baby monitor to monitor the police entrance.

Although he failed miserably

I wouldn’t say he failed. Honestly. I think Raymond Spencer was more of a case of just horrible luck. His plan was better than most. And though that alone wouldn’t be enough to claim something other than failure, he actually executed it quite well too. He just happened to not shoot many. That would be a more technically accurate way of putting it.

Well, the reason why he didn't shoot many is because he shot 5 minutes before classes ended, so when the first shots rang out, most of the people were inside the institute.

Also, according to the police, the quick police action also helped him stop shooting since apparently Raymond realized that there were snipers and was afraid of being shot so he simply surrendered.

So yes, maybe it's both of them, a failed plan on Raymond's part in shooting so hastily, and bad luck for the quick police response

Yeah. He could’ve done really well. Jackass move. I don’t understand why they never just…? Go for it? Why is it so hard for people that are throwing their lives away to actually go all in? Don’t they understand that either way it’s gonna end in suicide or prison for an… extensive period of time? Minimum. Not to be all or nothing, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. I do suppose it’s a bit more fair in that case; meaning that he may not have known fully when the classes ended and started, and how to achieve maximum casualties and injuries, but the “scared” part, is a little irrational. If you’re scared of anything, I’d think you wouldn’t want to be shooting people and attracting attention to yourself in such a major way. I mean, you’re gonna be an interrogation room or have a bullet in your head within the next hour, max. He did fire from a high place like Stephen Paddock though so he probably didn’t like the whole grit and power of the action. Speaking more for the others that sort of just choke up while in their schools. But I’m rambling. And no one likes my posts anyway. Just giving my input as usual.

Seung-Hui Cho probably had the best setup actually. Just thinking about it in comparison to a lot of the other top shooters worldwide. Excluding ones that are less reported on, Cho was 100% up there. His setup was cheap, allowed for consistent, point blank damage. He had a backpack for less important goods. The pistols and their ammunition were both easily accessible on his person, and the chains were concealable until needed. He also wore the baseball cap, I believe, tributing shooting culture and Columbinism. All around about as good as it gets. Stephen Paddock was technically the best, but he just had a bunch of rifles, (and bolted the doors shut so that too but still), and other factors played an important role as well, so I think in regards to actual equipment and clothing and full setup, it’s more likely gotta go to Cho.

He had the fingerless gloves too. On an unrelated note, I think Adam Lanza was notably inspired by Cho Seung-Hui in his behaviors and even setup. It was partially his personality, but I think Adam Lanza had more personal, subjective preferences in his shooting tastes than he liked to let off. Not including the fact that he would make some of his usernames on websites things like, “QueerforKimveer,” and shit like that.

Lanza had a very good setup as well. As did Harper-Mercer, but that’s a bit less clear. It always surprises me (not really) but a little bit when gunmen just go into schools with hoodies or something. I guess it’s concise and maneuverable enough, so, can’t complain that much. Payton Gendron and his idol Tarrant also had excellent setups. Better than the other mentionable domestic terrorists—Breivik and Roof—anyways.

Audrey Hale was decent too. (Edit: And Nick… And Bryant).

Oh and the San Bernardino Islamists. And Vlad and Artyom. They were good too. But I’ll shut up now because clearly I could go on without really elaborating on any of my claims.

Kłléyn: Lord of Utero wrote:: Yeah. He could’ve done really well. Jackass move. I don’t understand why they never just…? Go for it? Why is it so hard for people that are throwing their lives away to actually go all in? Don’t they understand that either way it’s gonna end in suicide or prison for an… extensive period of time? Minimum. Not to be all or nothing, but it just doesn’t make sense to me.

It's probably the rampage killing equivalent to hesitation marks. It's not like you can rehearse for it either, so if you fumble that's it.

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Martin Bryant. I wonder how it would've impacted his spree if he brought the USAS-12 instead of leaving it in the trunk of his Volvo. Why do all shooters leave there coolest guns behind? Lanza did the same thing with his Saiga. Oh and as far as resources allowed in a 1930s Japanese rural village Toi was armed to the teeth.

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Arano wrote:: Martin Bryant. I wonder how it would've impacted his spree if he brought the USAS-12 instead of leaving it in the trunk of his Volvo. Why do all shooters leave there coolest guns behind? Lanza did the same thing with his Saiga. Oh and as far as resources allowed in a 1930s Japanese rural village Toi was armed to the teeth.

Don’t even wanna imagine what kind of damage the USAS-12 would do to 2 small children. Worse than even Noah Pozner’s injuries.

Payton Gendron more than likely would’ve also done far more damage, 3 guns, armor, only because the Buffalo PD acted accordingly.

Arano wrote:: Martin Bryant. I wonder how it would've impacted his spree if he brought the USAS-12 instead of leaving it in the trunk of his Volvo. Why do all shooters leave there coolest guns behind? Lanza did the same thing with his Saiga. Oh and as far as resources allowed in a 1930s Japanese rural village Toi was armed to the teeth.

What a cool ass gun, shit would've done hella damage at the close range Martin was shooting from in the café. In the pic of the USAS tho, you can see he had it loaded with a 10 round mag instead of the 20 round drum it can take, and idk if he hsd any extra mags for it so it would've quickly been emptied.

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I think Lanza brought the Saiga as a breaching gun as he only had two 10 round mags for it with him yet left multiple other mags for it including drum mags at home, but he was just like fuck it I'm too lazy to get that shit out the car. In the pic of him from May 2010, you can see what I think was his original loadout, the Bushmaster and Saiga. I figure that after obtaining his handguns, he became less and less interested in using the Saiga during the shooting but still decided to bring it with 2 mags cuz fuck it, why not? The Saiga was the gun he originally planned to use to an hero based on that photo of him posing with it pointed at his head in 2010, before he obtained the 10mm Glock.
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Def the first outfit + loadout he had planned for the shooting, I wonder if he posed dressed in his later setup, but the pics got lost when he btfo his hard drive

i get that they are more attempted mass murderers, but larry phillips jr. and emil matasareanu. guys had borderline juggernaut suits, drum mags, ap rounds etc. they had so much armour it took the police 44 minutes to stop them because their standard issue guns were too weak.

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