Did E & D have classes with any of their victims?

I know a lot of them were in different grades, but I suppose it's plausible they had classes with some of their older victims.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

There was some speculation that Dylan and Eric were in a class with Rachel Scott because on the Basement Tapes they mentioned a girl named Rachel that they wanted to kill. It was later confirmed that it was a different girl named Rachel. And also, Rachel Scott participated in some kind of school play or talent show and Dylan was working on the technical crew for it and he helped her out with a skipping cassette tape or something like that. I think that was the year prior though.

Other than that, I really don't know of any of their other victims being in any classes with them.

Jenn wrote:

There was some speculation that Dylan and Eric were in a class with Rachel Scott because on the Basement Tapes they mentioned a girl named Rachel that they wanted to kill. It was later confirmed that it was a different girl named Rachel. And also, Rachel Scott participated in some kind of school play or talent show and Dylan was working on the technical crew for it and he helped her out with a skipping cassette tape or something like that. I think that was the year prior though.

Other than that, I really don't know of any of their other victims being in any classes with them.

To add to what you said, her dad also wrote in one of his books that apparently Rachel had a go at Eric and Dylan for making violent videos. So I'm assuming if true they at least shared a multimedia/video class.

Here's a related question.

Besides John Savage and Brooks Brown, did Eric and Dylan see anyone they knew by name?

Who?

Juicy Jazzy wrote:

her dad also wrote in one of his books that apparently Rachel had a go at Eric and Dylan for making violent videos. So I'm assuming if true they at least shared a multimedia/video class.

Do you remember which book it was?

Also, I wonder if conflicts with Rachel in the past might have been why Eric shot her first, or if it was just a matter of her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

lasttrain wrote:

Here's a related question.

Besides John Savage and Brooks Brown, did Eric and Dylan see anyone they knew by name?

Who?

I remember an interview with Evan Todd where he recalled exchanging words with the gunmen, when he said "You know I've always treated you respectfully" or something like that, so if accurate, that would imply they knew Evan to some extent.

I know that Tim Castle, who knew Dylan and was a friend of brooks (if i remember right), saw him with his gun.

I know that Rachel and Dylan knew each other since kindergarten. Also I don´t know anything about that they had classes with the dead ones. But injured Makai Hall had a class with Dylan. Also Valeen Schnurr had a class with him too. And they talked during class. Jeanna Park also knew him.

Venganza wrote:

Do you remember which book it was?

Rachel's Tears, last paragraph of the chapter entitled 'Creative Compassion':

Quote :

Rachel did reach out, even to the killers. She shared a photo-video class with them. When the boys turned in their violent video they depicted their fantasies of death and destruction. Rachel turned in a photo assignment of the hand picture that is illustrated in this book. Months before April 20, there was a spiritual battle waging between good and evil in the halls of Columbine. The teachers did not challenge the boys' project, the administration did not check it out, and their parents were not aware of what they had produced. But Rachel knew. Rachel stepped out on a limb and challenged Eric and Dylan about why they were so obsessed with killing and death. She tried to find out why they would produce something of that nature. She wanted to help them and possibly paid with her life for daring to do what no one else was willing to do.

Darrell Scott also brought up her challenging Eric and Dylan in 'The Untold Stories of Columbine'.

Tim Castle (Kastle) claimed he saw Dylan poke his head up through the ceiling tiles above a bathroom in the school kitchen area while he was trying to escape by crawling through the ceiling space. The time frame may work, as Dylan & Eric briefly visited the kitchen just before noon, but his description of the event seems highly unlikely to me. You can read about it in his witness statements starting on p. 3415 of the witness reports. I think it is more likely he saw a law enforcement officer, if he saw anyone at all.

I have great respect for Rachel Scott, and the story about Dylan helping her out during some kind of performance is repeated by several people who would know. But I'm skeptical of stories that she "challenged" E&D in video class. Wouldn't other students or teachers have noticed?

As others have pointed out, they did have classes with some of their victims and the survivors too, but I get the sense that outside their own circle of a dozen or so friends, they didn't give a rip about anyone else.

I am haunted by the exceedingly vicious attack on, I think it was called Table 1 in the library - the table with the girls including Lauren Townsend and Valeen Schnurr. Maybe it was because more screams were coming from that table - there were witnesses who noted this. But maybe Dylan, who inflicted the most damage here, was taking out his frustrations on this particular group of high-profile young women. If that's the case, then he was at least aware of them. Remember, many of the students reported that they sat in more or less the same spots every day in the library. This particular table of girls may have been familiar to them.

blue02 wrote:

As others have pointed out, they did have classes with some of their victims and the survivors too, but I get the sense that outside their own circle of a dozen or so friends, they didn't give a rip about anyone else.

I'm at a point with the Scott family where I'm not sure I believe much of what they say anymore, simply because they peddle two or three things still which I believe are false. Firstly, evidence suggests that she was not asked about her religious beliefs before she was shot. Dylan most likely did not have a crush on her, he rushed to fix the music during Rachel's performance as it was his job as sound technician! Lastly, they peddle the lies that Eric and Dylan targeted her, even though the Rachel that Eric and Dylan refer to in the leaked basement tape sound clip is most likely a different Rachel.

Agreed on all counts above.

How do we know E&D weren't talking about Rachel Scott in The Basement Tapes?

Juicy Jazzy wrote:

Jenn wrote:

There was some speculation that Dylan and Eric were in a class with Rachel Scott because on the Basement Tapes they mentioned a girl named Rachel that they wanted to kill. It was later confirmed that it was a different girl named Rachel. And also, Rachel Scott participated in some kind of school play or talent show and Dylan was working on the technical crew for it and he helped her out with a skipping cassette tape or something like that. I think that was the year prior though.

Other than that, I really don't know of any of their other victims being in any classes with them.

To add to what you said, her dad also wrote in one of his books that apparently Rachel had a go at Eric and Dylan for making violent videos. So I'm assuming if true they at least shared a multimedia/video class.

According to one witness statement, Eric and Dylan not only shared a video production class with Rachel, they had also picked her to sit at a table with them during that class (6132). There is no followup to this information and this witness also said that she didn't personally know Eric or Dylan before the incident so maybe this was inaccurate secondhand information but it does back up the Scotts' claim that Rachel had a video production class with them.

MoRiBunD wrote:

How do we know E&D weren't talking about Rachel Scott in The Basement Tapes?

Because of the quote that was something along the lines of "Dustin, everything you say is pointless" and the quote "Nick shut up, you laugh too much and those 2 girls sitting next you want you to shut the fuck up too. Rachel and Jen or whatever".

The only class that had Dylan, Eric, a Dustin, a Nick, a Rachel and a Jen was their 5th period Psychology class.
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Jenn wrote:

MoRiBunD wrote:

How do we know E&D weren't talking about Rachel Scott in The Basement Tapes?

Because of the quote that was something along the lines of "Dustin, everything you say is pointless" and the quote "Nick shut up, you laugh too much and those 2 girls sitting next you want you to shut the fuck up too. Rachel and Jen or whatever".

The only class that had Dylan, Eric, a Dustin, a Nick, a Rachel and a Jen was their 5th period Psychology class.
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Interesting. Looking at that list it would appear that the Nick would be Nick Foss. I had always heard it was Nick Baumgart (sp?)