Basement Tapes Destroyed

Gonz wrote:

I recently watched a 20/20 documentary on Elliot Rodger that showed the videos he made, and they were so embarrassing and cringey… I was like, this guy is so pathetic… And I think we have this mythicized image of the basement tapes since almost everybody has been doing the most to keep them from the public, but actually, what Eric and Dylan supposedly say in the tapes is similar to what Rodger said in his videos, so I'm pretty sure that releasing them would actually help to demystify the shooters and show how lame they were, since copycat attacks are going to keep happening anyway.

I mean, just thinking of Rodger's videos being kept "secret" and having people speculate about them like has happened to the basement tapes (in a low key way of course, since it wasn't so relevant), when they are so pathetic… lol

i'll have to agree with you there

If the Tapes were actually destroyed, all the news stations or news sites would've covered it. In the case of the basement tapes, only westword covered it. Lets compare it to the Christine Chubbuck Suicide tape, when this was "allegedly" leaked online. People made a big deal over it. Muiltiple news sites covered it, but only a local Colorado news site covered the Basement tape destruction.

wawbeast44 wrote:

If the Tapes were actually destroyed, all the news stations or news sites would've covered it. In the case of the basement tapes, only westword covered it. Lets compare it to the Christine Chubbuck Suicide tape, when this was "allegedly" leaked online. People made a big deal over it. Muiltiple news sites covered it, but only a local Colorado news site covered the Basement tape destruction.

I know that a lot of people on this forum are huge on keeping up with news regarding the shootings, but I'm not sure it'd be national news if the tapes were destroyed.

Even if they weren't, there's really no benefit at all for the FBI to release them. Would they be interesting to see? Sure. Does it do any good to release them though? Hardly.

If anything, the one thing it would show is how they acted alone together. All the other tapes are of their friends filming them or them with their friends. These tapes show how they acted together, also we should be allowed to see these tapes, as the FBI as the efoia or Freedom of information act. You can message them here about a request for the tapes. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

As much as I would love to see the tapes, I'm totally fine at accepting the fact I will never see them.

I'm not sure why, or what it is, but part of me is almost glad that they haven't been released?

Which is strange seeing how much I want to see them...

Releasing them might wake up these fangirls who think Eric and Dylan are Gods. From what I've read and seen, they were vicious. Poor Sue Klebold nearly threw up when she was watching them. She just couldn't believe the vile coming from her son's mouth.

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If it were possible I would have watched the COMPLETE ~2-3 hours of Basement Tapes!!

In many articles it says there are 5 Basement tapes, however there are only 3 missing. Would Rampart range and Hitmen for hire be considered the found 2. Also on evidence item 298, Radioactive clothing was on it, would that be considered a basement tape?

hmmm I don't think so because Hitmen for hire and Radioactive clothing were just school projects... those tapes must be something else entirely

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

I think the main reason people want to see the tapes is mainly to try to get a sense of their dynamic together. I personally want to see them simply because I am a very skeptical person, and would rather see and hear for myself rather then rely on the released transcripts.  

But I also have no doubt that there are fangirls/fanguys that just want new content to fantasize over.

There has been such a air of mystery around them for so long that I want to see what the fuss is about.

  

MrHorror93700 wrote:

Please, who I must contact to get the full tape of the cafeteria in HIGH QUALITY

"JCSO-Record" told me that he does not own it, they lie ?....

It's really annoying   , it's not a problem if I have to pay 1000$, I want it !

Sorry for my bad english

Have you searched Youtube? Also ask CVA, he may have it.

  

MrHorror93700 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Have you searched Youtube?  Also ask CVA, he may have it.

Thanks you for your reply,
but the video in high quality has never been public

Then maybe CVA could point you in the right direction on how to track it down. He has come up with some pretty rare Columbine related things. Would be worth a shot.

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You could always order the Cafeteria Surveillance from Jeffco and see for yourself.

1Mare1 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

If given the chance, I would watch the Basement Tapes.

Draw_It_White wrote:

1Mare1 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

Yeah, he was overly confident in his bomb making knowledge and expertise.

  

Can you upload it please?

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Draw_It_White wrote:

1Mare1 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

That's the point, people would hurt themselves from an accidental explosion. He got most of his bomb ideas from the Anarchist Cookbook, which is proven to be bullshit.

  

1Mare1 wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

1Mare1 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

That's the point, people would hurt themselves from an accidental explosion. He got most of his bomb ideas from the Anarchist Cookbook, which is proven to be bullshit.

That'd be good then - better the people making the bombs hurt themselves than other people.

Gonz wrote:

I recently watched a 20/20 documentary on Elliot Rodger that showed the videos he made, and they were so embarrassing and cringey… I was like, this guy is so pathetic… And I think we have this mythicized image of the basement tapes since almost everybody has been doing the most to keep them from the public, but actually, what Eric and Dylan supposedly say in the tapes is similar to what Rodger said in his videos, so I'm pretty sure that releasing them would actually help to demystify the shooters and show how lame they were, since copycat attacks are going to keep happening anyway.

I mean, just thinking of Rodger's videos being kept "secret" and having people speculate about them like has happened to the basement tapes (in a low key way of course, since it wasn't so relevant), when they are so pathetic… lol

I agree! I think the exact same with Randy Stair/Andrew Blaze, Cho and Riccardo (Bjork Stalker). All of their tapes made people think less of them, like Elliot. I really think releasing the Basement Tapes would do the same thing at this point. It would show Eric and Dylan playing big for the camera and ultimately looking silly and hopefully dissuade copycats. I think keeping them makes people's imaginations fill in the blanks and those blanks are dangerous.

A few people on this thread mentioned making an foia request to the FBI. Has anyone actually done it? If they have a copy they will release it under a foia request, but we can also ask for transcripts of the tapes or redacted versions if they have a problem with releasing some of the info (Names, bomb making instructions etc). I will write out the request if someone else will send it in to them and any other org that may have a copy. (Personally I think the FBI would not destroy any copy they have as they have a person who studies mass shooters etc and they would find it useful for profiles).

I'm surprised the other videos released didn't dissuade the "godlike" status they had. It makes me see E&D as really normal kids who went astray. Rampart range could even be taken lightly as a bunch of guys playing with guns and saying violent things like they're just playing around. It's only dark now because of what they did.

Just like the picture of Eric in the year book "Eric Harris sits in the cafeteria observing the activity" meh.. but we know they were planning to set bombs off in the cafeteria when the maximum amount of students where having lunch, plus he has NBK on his backpack, it's faint but there. Now it gets REALLY eerie.

The transcripts even sound pretty tame to me. By refusing to release any of these and giving this aura of mystery it does, I agree, cause us to fill in the blanks and wonder what is so bad?

I really want to see the whole "Dude, you're Jewish" thing because both SK and Judy said Dylan looked scared...

I agree. If you knew nothing about Columbine then the videos themselves would seem to most as just normal male teen shenanigans. E&D act very similar to a lot kids that I went to school with, although these people didn't plan and then carry out a mass murder.

By keeping the basement tapes from being made public, Jeffco unintentionally assured that they would always be sought after. People are skeptical and want to see things for themselves, especially since Jeffco proved to be untrustworthy during the investigation.

The Basement Tapes, if released, certainly would not have made people think less of Eric/Dylan.

It would be more like "Look at them being all tough drinking their Jack Daniels. Too bad they decided to do a massacre instead of making a fuck ton of money creating videos on youtube a few years later, making movies, making apps.. anything instead of what they did... wow Dylan has pretty eyes... hmmm" maybe not everyone would think the last part but I threw it in their for good measure, because you know there would be people who thought that. Me, no, not at all. No.

Honestly, we know what they did. 99.9% of us are disgusted by it. The Basement tapes aren't a streaming video of the library murders.

Now if something like that was videotaped and released, THAT would be a game changer.

I don't think the Basement Tapes would cause copycats either... if they were released back then. And maybe even now. There have been so many copycats in the last 18 years that I doubt it would have made a lick of difference. I just think Jeffco dosen't want them released because in it I suspect the boys talk about how many times were missed to stop them and how hopeless Jeffco are and it probably hurts their feelings...

Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what? At risk of sounding like a fangirl... you can't recreate Eric and Dylan either. No one will be them, no one will have the friends that they had. They had something about them that was interesting, we are all trying to pick their brains after nearly 20 years. I don't think there will be a school shooting that captures the world like Columbine.

There will always be violence and I agree they probably aren't released because JeffCo feels embarrassed that 2 high schoolers bested them.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what? At risk of sounding like a fangirl... you can't recreate Eric and Dylan either. No one will be them, no one will have the friends that they had. They had something about them that was interesting, we are all trying to pick their brains after nearly 20 years.  I don't think there will be a school shooting that captures the world like Columbine.

There will always be violence and I agree they probably aren't released because JeffCo feels embarrassed that 2 high schoolers bested them.

I completely agree. 'copycats' is the lamest excuse.

I have said this before, but there are copy cats right now.  Maybe not to the exact details of course but how many shooters or attempted shooters looked up to Eric and Dylan?  How many had read their journals and decided to shoot people?  We had Randy Stair right here under our noses.  He idolized Eric.  He had never seen the tapes but he still did what he did.

The release of the tape wouldn't cause any more copycats than already exist or will exist.  In fact I think for a lot of genuine researchers it would show Eric and Dylan in a much different light.  We could see them being stupid kids using cuss words and pointing guns at each other while they drink Coke and eat Slim Jims....

Maybe they are afraid of humanizing them. Having people realize these were just 2 boys not total monsters....

Lizpuff wrote:

Maybe they are afraid of humanizing them.  Having people realize these were just 2 boys not total monsters....

Agreed. Much easier to let people believe monsters just do monstrous things.

Liz, that could be it, people at large still think of them as complete monsters. Researchers I think have a more nuanced understanding of them. Sue's book has helped with Dylan though.

No one wants to think their loved one could be capable of such things. We all want to believe we could know who the "bad guys" are.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what?

Alvaro Castillo tried...

A lot of the shooters were Eric Harris wanna be's....

Columbine itself though will be in its own zeitgeist so people can try to be copycats but it won't have the same affect. Just my humble opinion ;)

Be cool to have a different timeline in an alternate universe where the only difference was that the basement tapes were released. I'd love to know what it would/wouldn't change.

Would kids relate more to them? Would it have made columbine mainstream? Would it have demystified them? Would people idolize them enough to mimic their actions?

Out of all Jeffco did, I think not releasing those tapes caused way more damage. It made them mysterious and way more misunderstood. Something people are actually drawn to, especially when they are also misunderstood.

Eric and Dylan were going to be famous because of how columbine was portrayed by the media, but Eric and Dylan have been made legendary by Jeffco.

Agreed. There's still the mystique around them and the things they have released and have been leaked have only added to people thinking they were pretty 'normal' guys.

A couple questions.

-Was Rampart Range part of the "basement tapes"?

-Were all of the short films they made (except for Nate and Dylan which as we know Nate sold) released by JeffCo or leaked by others? There's one short one with Dylan just quoting a monologue from Pulp Fiction and one of him in theatre class when someone dusts his trench coat and he is NOT happy about this.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Agreed. There's still the mystique around them and the things they have released and have been leaked have only added to people thinking they were pretty 'normal' guys.

A couple questions.

-Was Rampart Range part of the "basement tapes"?

-Were all of the short films they made (except for Nate and Dylan which as we know Nate sold) released by JeffCo or leaked by others? There's one short one with Dylan just quoting a monologue from Pulp Fiction and one of him in theatre class when someone dusts his trench coat and he is NOT happy about this.

Tech not part of the BT afaik.

I know some of the very short clips were things that were aired on TV documentaries and news shows. I think for the most part things were released by Jeffco or friends and family

Thanks!

I think the Browns and Klebolds saw Rampart Range pretty early on. I could be confusing stories from AMR though.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Thanks!

I think the Browns and Klebolds saw Rampart Range pretty early on. I could be confusing stories from AMR though.

IIRC the Rampart Range tape was found at the Harris home and was labelled as such but you know it has been well over a year since I went over the evidence so I get things wrong all the time

When did they release Radioactive Clothing, Hitmen for Hire, Car Wax and Rampart Range.

Not sure the validity of this there is a site with a VERY brief transcript of the Basement Tapes




2nd Tape
Evidence item [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This tape contains footage possibly filmed for school by Dylan and Eric. Both boys are seen in the footage, along with two other people identified as Tex and Browsky.(Bowsky)

That's Radioactive Clothing.

So did they include this as the "Basement Tapes" or were those JUST Eric and Dylan at Erics house and also the one at Dylan's

The houses must have been huge or the boys were quiet because when I had sleepover my parents heard EVERYTHING. We were loud though, I'm still pretty loud...

Am I to believe the FBI was involved in this investigation? If so would they not have a copy in some File 13?

CaptainObvious wrote:

Am I to believe the FBI was involved in this investigation? If so would they not have a copy in some File 13?

They were involved and I am sure they have/had a copy