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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Basement Tapes Destroyed - Page 7 Icon_minitimeMon May 07, 2018 10:35 am

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CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”
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@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:



CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
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CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile

Can they be any worse than the 911 call that was leaked, the one where we heard Val?
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@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:



CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile

Can they be any worse than the 911 call that was leaked, the one where we heard Val?


I doubt they would be.
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CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile

Can they be any worse than the 911 call that was leaked, the one where we heard Val?


I doubt they would be.


Lots of cringe, the boys acting tough and a single man tear.
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@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
@Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:



CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile

Can they be any worse than the 911 call that was leaked, the one where we heard Val?


I doubt they would be.


Lots of cringe, the boys acting tough and a single man tear.


Indeed, the saltiest man tear ever cried. LOL
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
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CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.


I never realized the rest of the families wanted them released. I don’t think the Harris’s saw them/cared at that point.

The only person who didn’t want them released was Sue. More than likely because of Dylan’s behavior.

The leak doesn’t seem too bad, I’ve always liked Dylan’s “Jesus you’re on a roll”



I can only hope that someday, somehow they will be leaked/released. Smile

Can they be any worse than the 911 call that was leaked, the one where we heard Val?


I doubt they would be.


Lots of cringe, the boys acting tough and a single man tear.


Indeed, the saltiest man tear ever cried. LOL

Eric’s feels are real. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Basement Tapes Destroyed - Page 7 Icon_minitimeTue May 08, 2018 12:05 pm

I said this many times before, I can almost promise you the FBI has a digitized copy probably sitting in a dusty box. Also, I don't think someone in jeff co making a copy for themselves before they were destroyed is out of the realm of possibility.
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I said this many times before, I can almost promise you the FBI has a digitized copy probably sitting in a dusty box.

Oh almost definitely, but they'll never release them.

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When the court unseals documents in the future, if Jeffco is lying about the tapes being destroyed, would we see them released?

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When the court unseals documents in the future, if Jeffco is lying about the tapes being destroyed, would we see them released?

Probably not.
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I am more concerned about the way they store these.
The videotapes are going to be demagnetified soon and digitized copies means either magnetic storage again or a CD, which also does not survive so long.

About the tapes, I think the basement tapes are probably the last, huge missing chunk of us [researchers] personal archive and I don't see any real reason for them not to be released - hypothetically. No need for the 911 call and such, because I don't think I'd like them, but on the other hand, there is equally / much more cruel stuff on Youtube (The Kyle Dinkheller shooting available on Youtube in 1998 still gets me irritated and disgusted every single time!!)

However, the basement tapes... Is it really that much more worse than Rampart Range? With all the sounds of the weapons that can cause PTSD to anyone involved in gunfights or the "entry, exit" commentary when imagine hitting a "soft target"?

Also, I might repeat myself, but there is a German documentary on a radio station called WDR as far as I remember, and while the narrator talks, there is the library 911 call to be heard. And I think the WDR has a full copy of that call in order to create a documentary - probably requiring them to make it a shocking, "Let's never make it happen again" style of documentation and regie, because it being used to emphasize the cruelty - and it really does its job. Now of course it might be one of the 1,000 snippets flying around the web that I have not heard, but to me, the segment that's played underneath the narrator gave me goosebumps.
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It also shocks me that Rampart Range was released and not the basement tapes. There’s been a lot of speculation about and all this is speculation right now. It took me a long time to watch rampart range. I did not mind any of the other videos. I really couldn’t bring myself to watch them fire the actual guns, and when I watched it I got this really angry at Mark Manes.

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It also shocks me that Rampart Range was released and not the basement tapes. There’s been a lot of speculation about and all this is speculation right now. It took me a long time to watch rampart range. I did not mind  any of the other videos. I really couldn’t bring myself to watch them fire the actual guns, and when I watched it I got this really angry at Mark Manes.

They also released Hitmen for Hire too, which IMO was a really questionable decision considering it was a school project that doesn't help at all in understanding who  Eric and Dylan were.

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It also shocks me that Rampart Range was released and not the basement tapes. There’s been a lot of speculation about and all this is speculation right now. It took me a long time to watch rampart range. I did not mind  any of the other videos. I really couldn’t bring myself to watch them fire the actual guns, and when I watched it I got this really angry at Mark Manes.

They also released Hitmen for Hire too, which IMO was a really questionable decision considering it was a school project that doesn't help at all in understanding who  Eric and Dylan were.

True, The student films were just them acting. And they also made them look extremely human. Doesn’t do anything for people to not empathize with them.
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It also shocks me that Rampart Range was released and not the basement tapes. There’s been a lot of speculation about and all this is speculation right now. It took me a long time to watch rampart range. I did not mind  any of the other videos. I really couldn’t bring myself to watch them fire the actual guns, and when I watched it I got this really angry at Mark Manes.

They also released Hitmen for Hire too, which IMO was a really questionable decision considering it was a school project that doesn't help at all in understanding who  Eric and Dylan were.

True, The student films were just them acting. And they also made them look extremely human. Doesn’t do anything for people to not empathize  with them.

It also shows them acting out their fantasies about killing jocks and people they hated, so I'm scratching my head as to why JeffCo decided to release it. Maybe cause it had already been seen by people other than, Eric, Dylan and the police?

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It also shows them acting out their fantasies about killing jocks and people they hated, so I'm scratching my head as to why JeffCo decided to release it. Maybe cause it had already been seen by people other than, Eric, Dylan and the police?

They may have thought that someone would share a copy regardless, so they released it to avoid controversy if those films were "leaked"

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I have a career shadow later this month, and my father might know someone that works in the Jeffco Sheriff's office, as he might have mentioned it before. I might see if I can get a career shadow there, out of personal interest and other interests. I don't know if this has any relevance to this, but I'll see if anything happens lol. I personally don't think that the tapes were destroyed. I'll see what I can find out. It's highly likely that nothing will happen though
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Is there a complete transcript anywhere? All I can find are part-transcripts, part-vague-descriptions of what "the boys talked about" or "what they went on to discuss", but not what they actually said (which pisses me off).

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Is there a complete transcript anywhere? All I can find are part-transcripts, part-vague-descriptions of what "the boys talked about" or "what they went on to discuss", but not what they actually said (which pisses me off).

Not to my knowledge.
These are the main sources I've found with information on the contents of the Basement Tapes:
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Police partial transcript in the CR   pg. 10374-10483

Peter Langman's schoolshooters site. I don't know how he compiled this information as I wasn't aware that he had actually seen the tapes. But they are consistent with everything else I've read so I assume them to be accurate.
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And the Time magazine article
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I'm not sure if I have shared this, but it is my best attempt to make an "Accurate" and complete Basement Tape transcript.
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News articles written by reporters who saw the tapes:
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I will bump the thread.

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I haven't been able to read through the entire thread, so this may have been brought up already, but the FBI should have copies. IIRC Jeffco/Colorado doesn't fall under FOIA since they're not federal, but rather they have a special state version of FOIA. I'd say our best bet would be to find out what specific FBI office handled the case, and then contact them with a FOIA. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] do you guys have this info?
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I haven't been able to read through the entire thread, so this may have been brought up already, but the FBI should have copies. IIRC Jeffco/Colorado doesn't fall under FOIA since they're not federal, but rather they have a special state version of FOIA. I'd say our best bet would be to find out what specific FBI office handled the case, and then contact them with a FOIA. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] do you guys have this info?

Sorority would probably know for sure. I am sure its in the 11k but I dont even know what i would be looking for. Perhaps I can look up specific officer info and see if it is listed under any of that

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The statutes of limitations never run out on murder.  (They shouldn't on rape either.)


So, the case is still open and they can't just destroy evidence.

They are telling lies.   Also, there are copies. Someone needs to "leak" them onto the net.

The basement tapes are set to be released 2026.  Which is suspicious.  The tapes should have been released by now.


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There's another link on there titled "driving around Denver", but the link is broken. Anyone have a working link?
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I haven't been able to read through the entire thread, so this may have been brought up already, but the FBI should have copies. IIRC Jeffco/Colorado doesn't fall under FOIA since they're not federal, but rather they have a special state version of FOIA. I'd say our best bet would be to find out what specific FBI office handled the case, and then contact them with a FOIA. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] do you guys have this info?

Sorority would probably know for sure.  I am sure its in the 11k but I dont even know what i would be looking for.  Perhaps I can look up specific officer info and see if it is listed under any of that

That's a pretty good idea. They usually list their office. I'll do some digging as well.
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The local FBI office in Colorado:

8000 East 36th Avenue
Denver, CO 80238
(303) 629-7171

Covers the entire states of Colorado and Wyoming

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Meanwhile, they can let videos like ISIS showing how to make bombs at home. But can't release a video from a event that already happened years ago...
No, they don't. IS themselves release their videos, not the police.

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You could file an FOIA to the FBI and hope that they reply.

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I've always felt so sure that I would want to see the basement tapes and for sure it would be fascinating but I kinda feel like I'm only really wanting to see them because there hasn't been anything released except for a short recording.

If the suicide pics hadn't been released - or leaked I think is more accurate - than I'd be morbidly interested in those as well. As it stands, I've seen them and moved on. Horrible to look at but nothing unusual anymore. That sounds terrible but there you go.
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