Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum

A place to discuss the Columbine High School Massacre along with other school shootings and crimes.
Anyone interested in researching, learning, discussing and debating with us, please come join our community!
 
HomeHome  PortalPortal  CalendarCalendar  Latest imagesLatest images  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  MemberlistMemberlist  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  

 

 Victim's families don't want killers named

Go down 
+12
Mr Bubbless
QuestionMark
DevilishManiac
Alexz
Xbox666
sscc
Techv4921
bradt93
Engel
Gustopoet2
Undyne
PaintItBlack
16 posters
AuthorMessage
PaintItBlack

PaintItBlack


Posts : 1656
Contribution Points : 96466
Forum Reputation : 52
Join date : 2014-02-11
Age : 37

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSat Aug 15, 2015 2:01 am

After what they've been through I can't blame them for feeling this way but I think it's naïve and unrealistic at best.
If we don't know who did something and why if its possible to know, how can we ever learn anything?

nonotoriety.com/
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

axegowiii likes this post

Back to top Go down
Undyne




Posts : 211
Contribution Points : 101788
Forum Reputation : 27
Join date : 2013-03-17

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSat Aug 15, 2015 9:30 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Back to top Go down
Gustopoet2

Gustopoet2


Posts : 495
Contribution Points : 82190
Forum Reputation : 3
Join date : 2015-06-11

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSat Aug 15, 2015 12:47 pm

sergeant hartman wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Great clip. Thanks!

_________________
USE THE POWER
TASTE THE BLISS
HARVEST SALVATION
Back to top Go down
Engel

Engel


Posts : 1139
Contribution Points : 36044
Forum Reputation : 197
Join date : 2021-10-27
Age : 22
Location : My head

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeThu Apr 07, 2022 11:54 pm

Not gonna happen. Names get revealed somehow eventually

_________________
"I'll never understand humans. The way they live their lives, their feelings, the things they want to do in life, probably has something to do with these
invisible gods they pray to. Meh"
- Kimveer Gill

"Humanity is overrated, isn't it?" - Matti Saari

"Live in virtue, no desire
And in the grave an angel's choir
You look to heaven and wonder why
No one can see them in the sky

Just as the clouds have gone to sleep
Angels can be seen in heaven's keep
Alone in fear, they question why
Goddamn, not an angel when I die
" - Engel, Rammstein (English version)

QuestionMark, Kinkeloukaitis, Techv4921, ANOMIC, Jo and Rosie1756 like this post

Back to top Go down
Online
bradt93




Posts : 721
Contribution Points : 90931
Forum Reputation : 255
Join date : 2016-12-21
Location : United States

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun Apr 24, 2022 11:05 pm

Well, they need to get used to it and I'm sorry for what they went through. People though are always curious about the shooters and they often wonder why they did what they did.

_________________
bt

Techv4921 likes this post

Back to top Go down
Techv4921

Techv4921


Posts : 180
Contribution Points : 26536
Forum Reputation : 52
Join date : 2021-09-28
Location : Klendathu, the bug planet.

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeMon Apr 25, 2022 12:46 pm

There is no way in hell you can cover up information like that. The public has to know why something happened.

_________________
SICK OF LIVING, UNWILLING TO DIE

Would rather be a chimp.

Engel and Rosie1756 like this post

Back to top Go down
sscc




Posts : 1328
Contribution Points : 83167
Forum Reputation : 598
Join date : 2016-02-27

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun May 08, 2022 10:24 am

Techv4921 wrote:
There is no way in hell you can cover up information like that. The public has to know why something happened.
I'd say the public has a right to know but do we really need to know why?

What is gained (especially for the average member of the public who reads only sensationalized articles about motives)?
Back to top Go down
Techv4921

Techv4921


Posts : 180
Contribution Points : 26536
Forum Reputation : 52
Join date : 2021-09-28
Location : Klendathu, the bug planet.

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun May 08, 2022 10:40 am

sscc wrote:
Techv4921 wrote:
There is no way in hell you can cover up information like that. The public has to know why something happened.
I'd say the public has a right to know but do we really need to know why?

What is gained (especially for the average member of the public who reads only sensationalized articles about motives)?


I'd certainly say that we need to know, for the purposes of critical analysis of motive. At least in most cases. There are people out there, more obscure, who do good research into these things. It's the Reddit crowd who drag things down and make it lazy.

_________________
SICK OF LIVING, UNWILLING TO DIE

Would rather be a chimp.

Xbox666 likes this post

Back to top Go down
Xbox666




Posts : 31
Contribution Points : 18494
Forum Reputation : 2
Join date : 2022-05-04

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun May 08, 2022 10:43 am

I think Europe’s approach is the most appropriate way to approach crimes like this by only releasing the first name and second initial , and not giving a mugshot / id.

But I don’t think we have to take it to their lengths, I think it is good to have a general idea of a motive to prevent an act becoming like this again.

Maybe some school districts even learn and are wary of how kids turn out / are treated / neglected due to local tragedies in the past.
Back to top Go down
Alexz




Posts : 18
Contribution Points : 26530
Forum Reputation : 0
Join date : 2021-07-01

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun May 08, 2022 4:42 pm

I BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE THERE RIGHTS

theartofwar and Mr Bubbless dislike this post

Back to top Go down
DevilishManiac

DevilishManiac


Posts : 104
Contribution Points : 20345
Forum Reputation : 0
Join date : 2022-04-13
Age : 22
Location : USA

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeTue May 10, 2022 10:57 am

Alexz wrote:
I BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE THERE RIGHTS

THERE
Back to top Go down
QuestionMark
Top 10 Contributor
QuestionMark


Posts : 4349
Contribution Points : 120278
Forum Reputation : 3191
Join date : 2017-09-04

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeSun May 22, 2022 4:24 pm

sscc wrote:
What is gained (especially for the average member of the public who reads only sensationalized articles about motives)?

This is true for every news story though. I would guess that 90% of the public at minimum have little to no understanding of anything they hear on the news. This is partly because the news does not accurately report the facts to begin with, often prioritizing pushing a narrative instead of relaying information. The current war in Ukraine is an excellent example of this that you can see in real time as blatantly false, half true, unconfirmed, or exaggerated stories are churned out 24/7, giving Americans such a distorted picture of the conflict that it bears no resemblance to reality.

_________________
"My guns are the only things that haven't stabbed me in the back."
-Kip Kinkel

Woundfucker likes this post

Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest




Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeMon May 23, 2022 12:02 am

Recall the approach the New Zealand media took with Brenton Tarrant: They displayed an unprecedented level of restraint in stating his name. Obviously, this is to be contrasted with the notoriety through the internet that Tarrant was able to achieve -- even if to a comparatively lower extent. But I think it is fairly clear that this approach should invariably be adopted by the media in response to mass shootings.

There are some crucial truths that one has to face here, though. Most mass shootings are quite forgettable, which means even if the media by default provided the average shooter with a substantial amount of notoriety, he would still be forgotten fairly quickly. Further, this push for "no notoriety" is not too far from pointless whenever a mass shooting really grips people. The names of the perpetrators in such cases will inevitably become known. So adopting the principle is good, but I would hope that people would be more aware of the parameters of it, from which it is to be understood that there are more pressing things to address if one really hopes to mitigate these crimes.

Edit: I am editing this for clarity ... mainly to appease myself to be honest. When I upheld the approach the New Zealand media took, I did so not primarily based upon the effect it had on mitigating interest and notoriety of Tarrant but on separate moral bases. For example, consider Tom Teves's experience, namely the fact that Holmes's face was everywhere immediately following the shooting with comparatively less about the victims, which included his son. There is a crucial moral point to consider with this prioritization of giving shooters maximum notoriety as quickly as possible. So I appreciated the opposite approach with Tarrant. However, I am not so deluded as to believe that the approach is hugely beneficial in mitigating notoriety because that is just factually incorrect. But that should not discourage the media from adopting it. With all of that being said, I concluded that there are more significant things to focus on if one desires to mitigate these events.


Last edited by lovethoughtslierich on Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:45 pm; edited 5 times in total
Back to top Go down
Mr Bubbless
Top Contributor
Mr Bubbless


Posts : 485
Contribution Points : 39096
Forum Reputation : 731
Join date : 2021-02-01
Location : STRAYA

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeMon May 23, 2022 3:43 am

lovethoughtslierich wrote:
Recall the approach the New Zealand media took with Brenton Tarrant: They displayed an unprecedented level of restraint in stating his name. Obviously, this is to be contrasted with the notoriety through the internet that Tarrant was able to achieve -- even if to a comparatively lower extent. But I think it is fairly clear that this approach should invariably be adopted by the media in response to mass shootings.

There are some crucial truths that one has to face here, though. Most mass shootings are quite forgettable, which means even if the media by default provided the average shooter with a substantial amount of notoriety, he would still be forgotten fairly quickly. Further, this push for "no notoriety" is not too far from pointless whenever a mass shooting really grips people. The names of the perpetrators in such cases will inevitably become known. So adopting the principle is good, but I would hope that people would be more aware of the parameters of it, from which it is to be understood that there are more pressing things to address if one really hopes to mitigate these crimes.
Cope lol, your censorship will never work Smile
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

_________________
My Blog - mr-bubbless.newtumbl.com

QuestionMark, Primate Murder, Engel, Amokauliflower, 22:22 and ANOMIC like this post

Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest




Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeMon May 23, 2022 11:03 am

Mr Bubbless wrote:
lovethoughtslierich wrote:
Recall the approach the New Zealand media took with Brenton Tarrant: They displayed an unprecedented level of restraint in stating his name. Obviously, this is to be contrasted with the notoriety through the internet that Tarrant was able to achieve -- even if to a comparatively lower extent. But I think it is fairly clear that this approach should invariably be adopted by the media in response to mass shootings.

There are some crucial truths that one has to face here, though. Most mass shootings are quite forgettable, which means even if the media by default provided the average shooter with a substantial amount of notoriety, he would still be forgotten fairly quickly. Further, this push for "no notoriety" is not too far from pointless whenever a mass shooting really grips people. The names of the perpetrators in such cases will inevitably become known. So adopting the principle is good, but I would hope that people would be more aware of the parameters of it, from which it is to be understood that there are more pressing things to address if one really hopes to mitigate these crimes.
Cope lol, your censorship will never work Smile
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Yes, I am aware that Brenton Tarrant would obviously be very significant in 2019 worldwide regardless. Can you find in my post even an implication to the contrary? I was talking about the situation solely within New Zealand, and my argument is based upon the principle of their names not being stated, which has other moral bases -- not just preventative ones. This leads into my main point which was demonstrated: The effect, for multiple reasons, is largely insignificant and there are strikingly better courses of action that one should take. So your response just doesn't make any sense.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest




Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeTue May 24, 2022 1:49 am

I agree. Not exactly what youre talking about, but similar: Paul joseph watson said in order to stop mass shootings, stop making shooters ''famous'' by putting their names and photos out there. I simply cant agree and this argument is dumb. The shooters name and photos SHOULD be put out there so they can be condemned and made fun of. This lets the public know who the killer is and who to stay away from. Shooters dont become ''famous'', thats incorrect. They become infamous. Infamy is the opposite of fame. Besides, shooters dont kill to become famous anyway. They kill simply because they have the sadistic desire to kill, that's it. There's nothing else to it. Shouldnt be that hard to figure out.
Back to top Go down
Amokauliflower
Banned



Posts : 374
Contribution Points : 27860
Forum Reputation : 108
Join date : 2021-11-05
Age : 21
Location : The path of defiance

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeTue May 24, 2022 9:49 am

DylsTrenchCoat911 wrote:
I agree. Not exactly what youre talking about, but similar: Paul joseph watson said in order to stop mass shootings, stop making shooters ''famous'' by putting their names and photos out there. I simply cant agree and this argument is dumb. The shooters name and photos SHOULD be put out there so they can be condemned and made fun of. This lets the public know who the killer is and who to stay away from. Shooters dont become ''famous'', thats incorrect. They become infamous. Infamy is the opposite of fame. Besides, shooters dont kill to become famous anyway. They kill simply because they have the sadistic desire to kill, that's it. There's nothing else to it. Shouldnt be that hard to figure out.

dumbassretardnigga moment

_________________
Oh to be a cigarette in a ball pit 3

Engel likes this post

Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest




Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeTue May 24, 2022 4:22 pm

Amokauliflower wrote:
DylsTrenchCoat911 wrote:
I agree. Not exactly what youre talking about, but similar: Paul joseph watson said in order to stop mass shootings, stop making shooters ''famous'' by putting their names and photos out there. I simply cant agree and this argument is dumb. The shooters name and photos SHOULD be put out there so they can be condemned and made fun of. This lets the public know who the killer is and who to stay away from. Shooters dont become ''famous'', thats incorrect. They become infamous. Infamy is the opposite of fame. Besides, shooters dont kill to become famous anyway. They kill simply because they have the sadistic desire to kill, that's it. There's nothing else to it. Shouldnt be that hard to figure out.

dumbassretardnigga moment

How??? My post was related to what this thread is about. I feel like so many people on this forum say shit just to be insufferable. You remind me a lot of vluptune.
Back to top Go down
axegowiii

axegowiii


Posts : 44
Contribution Points : 32635
Forum Reputation : 0
Join date : 2020-10-09

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeThu May 26, 2022 9:31 pm

Can't say I blame them either.. but I agree with you. I'd be willing to hear another argument though, see things from other perspectives. But I think we need to learn about these people in order to prevent more of them.
Back to top Go down
NEXT STEP UP

NEXT STEP UP


Posts : 1928
Contribution Points : 42666
Forum Reputation : 720
Join date : 2022-06-25
Location : Under Dave Cullen's bed

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeThu Dec 15, 2022 1:28 am

As much as I feel for them, the victim's families can be a real pain in the fucking ass.

_________________
Become a techno-barbarian today and get a free catgirl! You need to kill at least one jew to qualify. Alternatives include foxgirls and regular waifus. She will always be loyal, so treat her good.

Think with your noggin, not your n!ggin'.

QuestionMark and Engel like this post

Back to top Go down
Rosie1756

Rosie1756


Posts : 689
Contribution Points : 15646
Forum Reputation : 227
Join date : 2022-09-10
Location : TROLLING

Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitimeFri Dec 16, 2022 1:37 am

It would be impossible to achieve this as people will always be able to find out the names of the Shooters.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





Victim's families don't want killers named Empty
PostSubject: Re: Victim's families don't want killers named   Victim's families don't want killers named Icon_minitime

Back to top Go down
 
Victim's families don't want killers named
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Tom Mauser: Some victims families feel anger and resentment about book
» Victims Families on E/D and their Parents
» Meeting with victims families
» Letters to the victims families
» Aside from Eric, Dylan, the victims, the survivors, and the families...

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum :: Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum :: Thoughts on the Shooting-
Jump to: