"Eric and Dylan never said they were bullied"

Oh, yeah?

Eric Harris wrote:

Everyone is always making fun of me because of how I look, how fucking weak I am and shit, well I will get you all back: ultimate fucking revenge here. you people could have shown more respect, treated me better, asked for my knowledge or guidence more, treated me more like senior, and maybe I wouldn't have been as ready to tear your fucking heads off. then again, I have always hated how I looked, I make fun of people who look like me, sometimes without even thinking sometimes just because I want to rip on myself. Thats where a lot of my hate grows from, the fact that I have practically no selfesteem, especially concerning girls and looks and such. therefore people make fun of me... constantly... therefore I get no respect and therefore I get fucking PISSED.

"Everybody with white hats, stand up! This is for all the shit you've given us for the past four years!" — Dylan Klebold, as he entered the library

Harris recalls how he moved around so much with his military family and always had to start over, “at the bottom of the ladder.” People continually made fun of him – “my face, my hair, my shirts.”

As for Klebold, “If you could see all the anger I’ve stored over the past four fucking years…” he says. His brother Byron was popular and athletic and constantly “ripped” on him, as did the brother’s friends. Except for his parents, Klebold says, his extended family treated him like the runt of the litter. “You made me what I am,” he said. “You added to the rage.” As far back as the Foothills Day Care center, he hated the “stuck-up” kids he felt hated him. “Being shy didn’t help,” he admits. “I’m going to kill you all. You’ve been giving us shit for years."

That's all you got LPorter?  One line about a shirt, and Dylan reaching back to his Day Care Center to justify killing 500 high school students?

That seems pretty thin evidence to me, and I could quote you thousands of words that support my theory of a grandiose narcissistic killing driven by mental illness.

lasttrain wrote:

That's all you got LPorter?  One line about a shirt, and Dylan reaching back to his Day Care Center to justify killing 500 high school students?

That seems pretty thin evidence to me, and I could quote you thousands of words that support my theory of a grandiose narcissistic killing driven by mental illness.

Nothing is going to justify what they had planned to do. Period.
Did they believe their actions were justified? Obviously they did

I'd be interested to see what you've come up with. Quote away

lasttrain wrote:

I could quote you thousands of words that support my theory of a grandiose narcissistic killing driven by mental illness.

Go on then.

P.s Cullen lies don't count.

Quotes form the FBI analyst done count either.

radaddio wrote:

Quotes form the FBI analyst done count either.

Lasttrain is screwed then.

We all know Eric and Dylan were bullied (except Lasttrain, who I strongly suspect he has ties with Cullen, or is Cullen himself). It just wasn't their main motive on why they went NBK.

don't forget that the girl on the news after he massacre said

"He put the gun in my face and started laughing and said this was all because people were mean to him last year"

CharlesWhitman wrote:

don't forget that the girl on the news after he massacre said

"He put the gun in my face and started laughing and said this was all because people were mean to him last year"

Cullen spends a lot of time in his book trying to tell us that Bree Pasquale was full of shit ... I wonder why?

They also told everyone to stand up and none of the people they killed bullied them.

Its an open question wether or not they were bullied or to what extent. The shooting didnt happen because they were bullied, but it might have been a factor.

Theres research on school shooters and why they do it. Theres no single cause for explanation. Its complicated. Bullying cant be ruled out as a factor, yet, combined with so many other things.

Archvile wrote:

don't forget that the girl on the news after he massacre said

"He put the gun in my face and started laughing and said this was all because people were mean to him last year"

IDK how many quotes people can take out of context, but the one with white hats are the most interesting.

They said plenty of stuff. They told everyone with white hats to stand up before they told everyone to stand up. They let one jock survive,even. It was a random shooting

As mentioned above, I do not believe that the shooting was 100% revenge, but many factors that also contributed and harassment could be one of them. people usually believe that all school shootings are for some kind of "revenge" for bullying or something like that when it is something really uncertain, since each one has its own context.

Most people's default when it comes to school shootings is revenge as so many shooters were bullied in school and so could carry out an attack for revenge.

The reason why they rarely talked about having been bullied might be as simple as this: people generally don’t like to talk about something they consider humiliating or embarrassing. I don’t believe they were, as Brooks put it, “the lowest of the low”, but Columbine really didn’t seem like a welcoming place for non-jock students. Having said that, I’m not sure how much bullying contributed to their dissatisfaction with life and their hatred of humanity. Would they have shot up their school if its social environment had been more friendly? IDK. I lean more towards yes, though. Maybe that’s just me.

lognifiiskurk wrote:

Most people's default when it comes to school shootings is revenge as so many shooters were bullied in school and so could carry out an attack for revenge.

These are the facts

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In any case they have been bullied, its not a single cause for explanation.

There could be Tons of reasons why they hardly mention bullying, but I feel like its difficult to tell
Many of their closest friends said that they never did see any Bullying. Some claimed that Eric was more harassed than Dylan. Some claimed both were bullied.

What matters is that they both had serious problems. Dont get me wrong; bullying is horrible, and the consequences can be devastating.


I get the impression that it was especially rampant at Columbine(sources Regina Huerter report). But the statements from Eric and Dylans friends are so conflicting IDK what to think.

Guest wrote:

The reason why they rarely talked about having been bullied might be as simple as this: people generally don’t like to talk about something they consider humiliating or embarrassing. I don’t believe they were, as Brooks put it, “the lowest of the low”, but Columbine really didn’t seem like a welcoming place for non-jock students. Having said that, I’m not sure how much bullying contributed to their dissatisfaction with life and their hatred of humanity. Would they have shot up their school if its social environment had been more friendly? IDK. I lean more towards yes, though. Maybe that’s just me.

I just read parts of Larkins book. From what I understand, the bullying was mostly directed towards the outcast students, and that the overall majority of the population in that school did not really percieve bullying to be a problem. Of course, Bullying is wrong no matter what. Yet, that has left me question wether or not it was directed towards the outcasts at the school. Im also aware that Langman argues that many of the more prominent bullies graduated before 1999. As far as their friends goes, Robin Anderson says that she never did see any bullying towards Eric and Dylan. Chris Morris and a few other friends did claim that either both of them got picked on, or only Eric got picked on. I havent read all of Larkins book, and Im sure that he has some great interviews. Most of this is taken from Columbine organized by theme. There are some references I found highy questionable. Does it make any sense that Harris and Klebold wore swastikas on their Trench Coats? I cant make sense out of that. Also, a lot of people confused Klebold with another person. It could be interesting to read more of Larkins book, as Ive tried looking for interviews of their friends and close associates aswell as expert opinions( except for Peter Langmann).