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PostSubject: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeFri Oct 16, 2015 11:49 am

It is often assumed that Dylan was attempting to kill Lance Kirklin but shot his jaw instead.

I believe there is evidence that Dylan was specifically targeting his jaw.

In the basement tapes Dylan remarks about a sophomore student (not Lance), ""He doesn’t deserve the jaw evolution gave him . . . look for his jaw. It won’t be on his body.”

This is surprisingly prophetic of what Dylan actually did during the shooting. I have to wonder if the injury to Lance did not stem from Dylan's hatred of his own body. Dylan of course had a very prominent jawline. In the basement tapes he seems to be angry about another student having a good one. I think most of you would agree that high school boys do not go around thinking about jawlines unless they have a problem with their own.

Which leads me to wonder whether the injury to Kirklin was deliberate, a specific form of bodily self-hatred which Dylan externalized by destroying the jaw of another student? True, Kirklin was not the sophomore in question, but the parallels between the prediction and the injury to Lance are eerie.
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That's a really interesting connection I had never made before. That makes a lot of sense, especially about Dylan being self-conscious of his jawline. I actually can relate to him on that level. I have a small chest and when I was in high school I hated it and was jealous of girls with bigger ones. I didn't realize that a lot of guys actually like that. Dylan apparently didn't realize that a lot of girls like a strong jawline and chin like his, either (it's a uniquely masculine trait). Only seeing one type of whatever feature be idealized can screw with a person's mind. It's a shame neither guy realized how handsome he was and it's an even bigger shame that it's so common among teens to feel the same way.
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeFri Oct 16, 2015 7:24 pm

Very interesting thread...

The sophomore student that Dylan was speaking about was Brandon Larson. But I believe it's an eerie coincidence. I don't think Dylan really cared much if a person had a better jawline than him, or not. As a matter of fact I don't think he even noticed that at all. Why? Because when Dylan mentioned Brandon another time on the basements he said that Brandon Larson will have his knife through his head.

He really disliked that kid, and I wish we knew of the story between the two, along with Eric and Dan Lab. I believe Dan Lab, and Brandon were good friends.

Also, yes. Dylan had a strong jawline, but a slightly awkward chin (That Jay Leno chin) lol
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Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSat Oct 17, 2015 8:31 pm

Interesting. I've heard that theory before, and I wouldn't be surprised.
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSun Oct 18, 2015 2:43 pm

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Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSun Oct 18, 2015 3:12 pm

04daviszoe wrote:
Freezingmoon wrote:
Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."

It's not "I'm smarter than they are," it's, "I'm smarter than they are, but they have fun all the time and I never do! What's up with that?"

Being smart, in and of itself, is not worth a whole lot in this world. You have to have balls as well as brains. Dylan lacked the former.

Elliot Rodger went on and on and on about how wonderful he was - how handsome and charming. Do you think he truly believed that he was all that handsome and charming?

Maybe he did - I don't know. But it seems to me that guys who truly are handsome and charming don't have to go around saying "I'm handsome and charming" every five minutes.

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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSun Oct 18, 2015 3:34 pm

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04daviszoe wrote:
Freezingmoon wrote:
Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."

It's not "I'm smarter than they are," it's, "I'm smarter than they are, but they have fun all the time and I never do! What's up with that?"

Being smart, in and of itself, is not worth a whole lot in this world. You have to have balls as well as brains. Dylan lacked the former.

Elliot Rodger went on and on and on about how wonderful he was - how handsome and charming. Do you think he truly believed that he was all that handsome and charming?

Maybe he did - I don't know. But it seems to me that guys who truly are handsome and charming don't have to go around saying "I'm handsome and charming" every five minutes.

i agree .
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSun Oct 18, 2015 3:43 pm

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04daviszoe wrote:
Freezingmoon wrote:
Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."

It's not "I'm smarter than they are," it's, "I'm smarter than they are, but they have fun all the time and I never do! What's up with that?"

Being smart, in and of itself, is not worth a whole lot in this world. You have to have balls as well as brains. Dylan lacked the former.

Elliot Rodger went on and on and on about how wonderful he was - how handsome and charming. Do you think he truly believed that he was all that handsome and charming?

Maybe he did - I don't know. But it seems to me that guys who truly are handsome and charming don't have to go around saying "I'm handsome and charming" every five minutes.


I'm proud you managed to restrain yourself from making a comment on Dave Cullen's should I say "perception". Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeSun Oct 18, 2015 5:09 pm

04daviszoe wrote:
LPorter101 wrote:
04daviszoe wrote:
Freezingmoon wrote:
Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."

It's not "I'm smarter than they are," it's, "I'm smarter than they are, but they have fun all the time and I never do! What's up with that?"

Being smart, in and of itself, is not worth a whole lot in this world. You have to have balls as well as brains. Dylan lacked the former.

Elliot Rodger went on and on and on about how wonderful he was - how handsome and charming. Do you think he truly believed that he was all that handsome and charming?

Maybe he did - I don't know. But it seems to me that guys who truly are handsome and charming don't have to go around saying "I'm handsome and charming" every five minutes.


I'm proud you managed to restrain yourself from making a comment on Dave Cullen's should I say "perception". Laughing

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When I hear about Lance it gets me thinking about how Dylan was in the cafeteria, getting orders from Eric, not shooting as much makes me wonder if he shot to injure?

Then he got more “into” it in the library.

I don’t totally buy into it, it’s just a thought.

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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 9:59 am

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When I hear about Lance it gets me thinking about how Dylan was in the cafeteria, getting orders from Eric, not shooting as much makes me wonder if he shot to injure?

Then he got more “into” it in the library.

I don’t totally buy into it, it’s just a thought.

what kind of orders?
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it's a really good observation, I've never thought of it that way. Like you said, it's weird to point out how Larson didn't deserve his jaw unless you have a complex about your own.

As for Kirklin and getting shot in the jaw, it's anyones guess. I do think its a strong possibility!
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 10:04 am

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Screamingophelia wrote:
When I hear about Lance it gets me thinking about how Dylan was in the cafeteria, getting orders from Eric, not shooting as much makes me wonder if he shot to injure?

Then he got more “into” it in the library.

I don’t totally buy into it, it’s just a thought.

what kind of orders?

According to witnesses Eric kept telling Dylan to "Shoot there, go over there, check this" Wasn't it Dylan who initially went into the cafeteria to see why the bombs didn't go off?
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it's a really good observation, I've never thought of it that way. Like you said, it's weird to point out how Larson didn't deserve his jaw unless you have a complex about your own.

As for Kirklin and getting shot in the jaw, it's anyones guess. I do think its a strong possibility!



I agree! I have never really connected Dylan's statement to what happened to Lance until just now either! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 11:12 am

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it's a really good observation, I've never thought of it that way. Like you said, it's weird to point out how Larson didn't deserve his jaw unless you have a complex about your own.

As for Kirklin and getting shot in the jaw, it's anyones guess. I do think its a strong possibility!



I agree! I have never really connected Dylan's statement to what happened to Lance until just now either! Shocked

I don't know if he knew Lance, I wonder if he just wanted to wound him, he didn't kill Sean either, just stepped on him. Dylan was cruel through his words more so than Eric was... it's interesting.

It's interesting because it does seem to be a symbol of being more masculine, having a strong jawline. My ex was VERY jealous of other mens jaws..

The thing is though, Dylan had a strong jaw.He was just consumed in all of his depression and self hate, he failed to see anything good about him and just became this monster in some ways.
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 11:28 am

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it's a really good observation, I've never thought of it that way. Like you said, it's weird to point out how Larson didn't deserve his jaw unless you have a complex about your own.

As for Kirklin and getting shot in the jaw, it's anyones guess. I do think its a strong possibility!



I agree! I have never really connected Dylan's statement to what happened to Lance until just now either! Shocked

I don't know if he knew Lance, I wonder if he just wanted to wound him, he didn't kill Sean either, just stepped on him. Dylan was cruel through his words more so than Eric was... it's interesting.

It's interesting because it does seem to be a symbol of being more masculine, having a strong jawline. My ex was VERY jealous of other mens jaws..

The thing is though, Dylan had a strong jaw. He had no clue how handsome he was and how a LOT of women would be very down for what Dylan was giving, but he was stuck in his own shit with depression and who knows what else?

Sorry... edging towards edgy territory, I will step back.




I wont say that I believe that this was the reason he shot Lance in the face. BUT it does make you think back over that incident considering what he had said.

Also if you are trying to wound someone you wouldn't normally aim for their head. I think he was just trying to finish him off.

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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 12:01 pm

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
23september wrote:
it's a really good observation, I've never thought of it that way. Like you said, it's weird to point out how Larson didn't deserve his jaw unless you have a complex about your own.

As for Kirklin and getting shot in the jaw, it's anyones guess. I do think its a strong possibility!



I agree! I have never really connected Dylan's statement to what happened to Lance until just now either! Shocked

I don't know if he knew Lance, I wonder if he just wanted to wound him, he didn't kill Sean either, just stepped on him. Dylan was cruel through his words more so than Eric was... it's interesting.

It's interesting because it does seem to be a symbol of being more masculine, having a strong jawline. My ex was VERY jealous of other mens jaws..

The thing is though, Dylan had a strong jaw. He had no clue how handsome he was and how a LOT of women would be very down for what Dylan was giving, but he was stuck in his own shit with depression and who knows what else?

Sorry... edging towards edgy territory, I will step back.




I wont say that I believe that this was the reason he shot Lance in the face. BUT it does make you think back over that incident considering what he had said.

Also if you are trying to wound someone you wouldn't normally aim for their head. I think he was just trying to finish him off.


That's true. Brandon Larson was probably pretty shocked to hear the vitriol against him.
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I think they were shooting randomly, just like in the library.
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PostSubject: Re: Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin   Dylan and the injury to Lance Kirklin Icon_minitimeMon Mar 19, 2018 7:22 pm

LPorter101 wrote:
04daviszoe wrote:
Freezingmoon wrote:
Where did you guys read that Dylan was self conscious about his jaw?

The only thing I've ever read about Dylan being self conscious about his appearance actually came from Dave Cullen's book. *shudder* It reads:

"Dylan was taller and even smarter than Eric, but considerably less handsome. Dylan hated the oversized features on his slightly lopsided face. His nose especially-he saw it as a giant blob. Dylan saw the worst version of himself."

Not really sure where he got that kind of information from but if someone can prove me wrong, please do. Smile

I also have a quote by Susan Klebold taken from her interview from Far From The Tree. It's not so much about Dylan's appearance, but I think it's still fairly relevant. Smile

"Dylan's writing is full of "I'm smarter than they are," Sue said. "He experienced disdain for the people who were mistreating him. He liked to think of himself as perfect, I think.."

It's not "I'm smarter than they are," it's, "I'm smarter than they are, but they have fun all the time and I never do! What's up with that?"

Being smart, in and of itself, is not worth a whole lot in this world. You have to have balls as well as brains. Dylan lacked the former.

Elliot Rodger went on and on and on about how wonderful he was - how handsome and charming. Do you think he truly believed that he was all that handsome and charming?

Maybe he did - I don't know. But it seems to me that guys who truly are handsome and charming don't have to go around saying "I'm handsome and charming" every five minutes.

Yup, insecurities and self defense mechs... E/D and the Rodger kid had very poor self esteem and it mushroomed into peril. America is so tough on perceptions and it's a shame as each of the three could have matured into something special if the mental side were to be addressed.
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E/D and the Rodger kid had very poor self esteem and it mushroomed into peril.

Tbh I think Eric and Dylan (Eric more so) are like Roger in many ways.

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E/D and the Rodger kid had very poor self esteem and it mushroomed into peril.

Tbh I think Eric and Dylan (Eric more so) are like Roger in many ways.
Rodger is like Cho as well. It's like he's a blend of Eric Harris and Seung Hui Cho.
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Nah he probably wanted it to be all cinematic because they thought a director was gonna make a movie on them. TARANTINO NOT SPIELBERG GAWD!!!!!!!!!

He probably tried to make Lance's head explode or something but then was like "ah shit, just gonna go check on the bombs then." If Lance hadn't been outside and so easy to retrieve he probably would've died and Dylan probably figured he would've died from the shot. I mean Dave Sanders was shot in both shoulders once and died so if Lance was in a hallway or the library he might've died if nobody picked him up.
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