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PostSubject: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 3:03 pm

on news now--- no info on shooters yet........bloody hell
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 3:10 pm

news saying perhaps up to 3 shooters. happening at a center for the mentally disabled. again--bloody hell

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 3:12 pm

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"CNN affiliate KABC reported that the shooting took place at Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities"

Some witnesses says there are 1 to 3 shooters in military clothes.

CNN talk about 20 people shots, 12 fatalities.

Dozens of people outside with hands over the head.

(this is my first post here, sorry for my broken english.)

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 3:20 pm

Welcome Camellia.....and your English is fine Smile

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 3:31 pm

Thank you Szuzanna Smile

A title on CNN right now: "witnesses: suspects fled in black suv"

EDIT: Witnesses report shooters wearing ski masks and vests.

Shooter(s) have long rifles. A suspicious package could be left on the scene.

It seems that there was an event in the conference room where the shooting stood.
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 4:07 pm

Heard about it on the radio....gonna throw up...
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 4:36 pm

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Heard about it on the radio....gonna throw up...

{ Sad } ---that's supposed to be a hug.

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 4:44 pm

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SWAT scene in Pasadena. Police officer said on twitter: "Pasadena PD barricaded suspect in custody. Not related to incident in San Bernardino."

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 4:57 pm

I haven't seen the news yet, but the whole thing sounds like a pro job. I'm guessing military tactics as well.



Also, welcome Camellia! Wish it was with better news : )


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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 5:16 pm

They are now reporting 14 fatalities and 14 injuries
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 5:23 pm

Man, this is terrible

Warning:

Warning:

Warning:

Does anyone know if they've been stopped/caught yet? Any suspects?

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Does anyone know if they've been stopped/caught yet? Any suspects?[/quote]

nope, not yet. bolo out for black suv.... No
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whoa....they found the suv----shots fired---sending in swat to get the bastards out of the car

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 6:17 pm

Wow, I hope it's over soon

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 6:25 pm

apparently there is one officer down
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 6:29 pm

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Two shooters down, one on foot, (one SUSPECT from SUV confirmed in custody, now)...
Injured up to 17, still 14 deaths

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 7:17 pm

Im watching this unfold too...scary stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 7:40 pm

It's pretty late here but I'm also watching this unfold online live.
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 7:46 pm

Two suspects have been fatally shot and the third is currently on the loose, with it being reported that the third is hiding out in someones house. The body of one of the suspects lay on the floor after being fatally shot by authorities
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 8:24 pm

Apparently they threw pipe bombs during the chase.


Radaddio wrote:
Also, welcome Camellia! Wish it was with better news : )
Haha thanks, but unfortunately no good news can lead to this forum...

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 8:25 pm

You have a good point. We tend to be tragedy centric here...
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeWed Dec 02, 2015 8:49 pm

wow, so it has been confirmed by police that one of the dead suspects was a female!
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wow, so it has been confirmed by police that one of the dead suspects was a female!

yes, that´s what my boyfriend told me. i can´t sleep anymore. sometimes i have to ask myself what is wrong with mankind?
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 12:40 am

I'm surprised we don't see more female shooter these days. Guns tend to level the playing field, and it seems like more girls are into guns now than ever before. At least in the USA.
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Apparently there was a set of brothers among the shooters. One dead (along with a female who hasn't been named yet) and the other Brother was hiding in an apartment or something? I think they caught him though. Kinda reminds me of those Boston Bombing brothers.

I'm not 100% certain though because the Wikipedia article keeps changing as this thing unfolds. I've looked for some live updates but they are all hours old. So I don't know the actual status of this thing right now.

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 2:56 am

It is being reported that the two shooters who are dead were called Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27. The two were supposedly married after Farook met Mallik online and travelled to Saudi Arabia to marry her. The two are also reported to have had a 6-month old daughter.
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 3:57 am

Deadliest mass shooting since Newton in 2012
Man, this has been a terrible past couple weeks. Awful stuff in the news. Now UK's said yes to airstrikes in Syria. Violence in America (literally, two hours before this shooting I found an article saying how, in 2015, there's been 1 shooting every day on average). Now this?
Sorry for going off topic, but for each shooting, it seems like the world's crumbling apart more and more...
I guess that song "We Didn't Start the Fire" still applies, though

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 4:11 am

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It is being reported that the two shooters who are dead were called Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27. The two were supposedly married after Farook met Mallik online and travelled to Saudi Arabia to marry her. The two are also reported to have had a 6-month old daughter.

I thought Syed Farook was the one they captured alive?

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 5:58 am

More details about the guns used in this article:

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Two of the four weapons were found to be legally purchased, sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

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San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said the two .223-caliber assault rifles were a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson MMP 15 model, while the two semi-automatic hand guns were manufactured by llama and Smith & Wesson.

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It is being reported that the two shooters who are dead were called Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27. The two were supposedly married after Farook met Mallik online and travelled to Saudi Arabia to marry her. The two are also reported to have had a 6-month old daughter.

I thought Syed Farook was the one they captured alive?

Oh, they have been reporting that it was him along with his wife who were killed by police:

"After an afternoon car chase, two armed suspects were killed by police: Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik"
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"Some hours after committing the mass shooting, the two were killed after a car chase and a gunfight with police, with Ms. Malik driving and Mr. Farook shooting at pursuing police cars out the window."
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 7:40 am

It's very difficult to stop mass shootings like this, since weapon procurement usually isn't deterred by the typical background checks or waiting periods.

I also wonder if this was something they did as disgruntled people, or if it had ties to terrorist activity?

I also wonder what would happen if this took place in a state like Texas, or one of the other more armed states in the country? Everyone thats touting open carry and looser concealed weapons laws makes me think that, eventually, there would be a return of fire at one of these shootings.
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 1:41 pm

This is a brief summary of what its on the news:

The number of wounded people rise to 21, included 2 officers. The number of people killed is still at 14.

Malik was pakistani but lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the US with her husband.

Police found 12 pipe bombs, bomb making materials and 5,000+ rounds of ammo at suspects home.

Farook and Malik didn't have criminal records. They bought all guns legally and had 1,600+ rounds of ammo with them. 2 guns were not bought by him.

Farook was apparently radicalized but not on any list. He could communicated with people under investigation for terrorism. But police didn't announce terrorism to be the motive.

He worked for 5 years in the center they attacked. There was a holiday party when an argument started. People were about to take a group photo when Farook leaved the room apparently very angry. He returned about half an hour later to shoot at people.

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeThu Dec 03, 2015 2:34 pm

It seems like they were extremely prepared for an attack. Was this attack, the one they planned?

What could have made him so angry? If they planned this specific area at that specific time, would you really go to a work party? Seems like he might have changed future plans for some reason. However, I don't think an arguement would be enough to change his plans.

If they had a stockpile of ammo and pipe bombs at home, why didn't they bring them? Were they planning a larger attack, elsewhere? I think I read somewhere that they did bring some explosives but failed to explode. It could be that they "overstocked" on their weapons. Seems unlikely. Not sure.

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This attack was like a punitive expedition. They came in, opened fire and fled.
Like you said, it was well planned.

If they planned something bigger after, maybe that was just a "warm up". If they were able to attack a place full of people they knew it could be easier to attack strangers after?

The motive is still a mystery. If it was a religious one, why attend the xmas party before attack? They could start the first time they entered the center. Maybe Farook had a personal reason to target the center. I also wonder what about the argument was.

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Watching the whole thing live was quite freaky. Hearing the frantic radio calls of the police officers while gunshots and sirens ringing in the background.

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they had a baby, poor child... Sad
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Is it a joke??
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on CNN right now: "Landlord invites media into killers' home" This is surrealist. They are ruining the scene!

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He apparently pledged allegiance to ISIS right before the attack
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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeFri Dec 04, 2015 1:24 pm

She seemed to have had a strong role. That's really unusual, especially for a woman in an islamist context. I wonder if Farook wanted to kill before he met her. He comes from a family where violence reigned but never had criminal records.

Maybe Malik was a recruiter and detected Farook's weaknesses? Or they were two crazy people who decided to join a terrorist organisation?

Also, where are Farook's mother and the baby? They lived all together so the mother probably knew about the bomb lab in the garage.
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The argument was described like this:
Thalasinos said to Farook that he “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.” Farook replied that Americans don’t understand Islam.
He left very angry
What happened then?
Probably went home and talked to his wife
Maybe Malik persuaded him (or vise versa) that "now is the time to attack" after long preparation for one...
I wonder who was in charge of the situation. Who had the final word? You don't usually have a male/female combination like this.
(It'll be like Cullen's E/D all over again if we're not careful about assumptions at this point!)

Interestingly though, a coworker said he wasn't the same after living in Saudi Arabia. Even they thought Malik was the original terrorist (recruiting him?).

However, David Chelsea said Malik was too small for the semi-automatic assault rifle used, together with the weight of a protective vest and ammunition.
He pointed out that Malik herself was lightweight and claimed she did not take part in the killing.

I disagree with this and he's only saying it to say some things don't add up. Still, if she was powerful enough to do all that stuff, who knows?

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PostSubject: Re: active shooter san bernardino   active shooter san bernardino Icon_minitimeSat Dec 05, 2015 4:26 am

ISIS uses women more and more often because they're in some cases more radical and they're less suspicious than men so they could easier carry out a terror attack. And at the psychological level women have very strong influence on men so this could be the same in that case. At the press conference the attorney for the family said that is no evidence that these perpetrators were connected with any terrorist organization lol!
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