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I came across a site, and of course.. can't find it again LOL but it had a list of songs and notes that Dylan was going to use for his website he was developing, like such and such song should play when people go to the "about me" section , but I didn't get the gist of what it was going to be about. Has anyone ever seen anything like this?  
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Can anyone give a transcript of this? I find it very hard to read.

I'm trying to understand his handwriting but if I'm not wrong, on the "what I hate" list one of the things he wrote was "racists". But we all know what he called Isaiah that day.
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He probably did hate racists and he hated guys who were mean to "chicks" and said cruel things to Lauren and Val that day...

They wanted to spew as much hatred as possible Sad and their actions are words were evil, but were they evil? No, no inherently.

I don't think his actions that day are indicative of everything he felt or believed totally.

The thing is that is what everyone is going to remember and care about because of what he did.

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I'm trying to understand his handwriting but if I'm not wrong, on the "what I hate" list one of the things he wrote was "racists". But we all know what he called Isaiah that day.

Eric said he hated racists too but then in the same breath talked about killing minorities. I think they hated racists more for being stupid and pathetic people rather than any moral reasoning.

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He probably did hate racists and he hated guys who were mean to "chicks" and said cruel things to Lauren and Val that day...

They wanted to spew as much hatred as possible Sad  and their actions are words were evil, but were they evil? No, no inherently.

I don't think his actions that day are indicative of everything he felt or believed totally.

The thing is that is what everyone is going to remember and care about because of what he did.

That thing about him hating guys who were a-holes to girls makes me wonder if he was a "nice guy". I got that vibe from Dylan before I read that

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Eric said he hated racists too but then in the same breath talked about killing minorities. I think they hated racists more for being stupid and pathetic people rather than any moral reasoning.

Eric wrote on his website that he hated anyone who discriminated a person based on their skin color. What Dylan wrote was also going on his website. So they may have been lying or were hypocrites.
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That thing about him hating guys who were a-holes to girls makes me wonder if he was a "nice guy". I got that vibe from Dylan before I read that

I don't know.... other than Tobin at the mall, Marla and I guess Kristen who went on a date with him sometime in April he never really pursued girls, and in his writings he never made references to being friend zoned (it happened back then but I don't think it was coined back then Smile he was saying he was shy and looked weird, so that was the problem and the jocks who got the girls, a lot of them were jerks in his eyes... but he never talked about himself being nice. In fact he often looked at himself as bad and had to cleanse himself, his words.

It is an interesting question though, I want to give it more thought.

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That thing about him hating guys who were a-holes to girls makes me wonder if he was a "nice guy". I got that vibe from Dylan before I read that

I don't know.... other than Tobin at the mall, Marla and I guess Kristen who went on a date with him sometime in April he never really pursued girls, and in his writings he never made references to being friend zoned (it happened back then but I don't think it was coined back then Smile he was saying he was shy and looked weird, so that was the problem and the jocks who got the girls, a lot of them were jerks in his eyes... but he never talked about himself being nice. In fact he often looked at himself as bad and had to cleanse himself, his words.

It is an interesting question though, I want to give it more thought.

Well a lot of your typical nice guy types don't refer to themselves as such. The "nice guy" type to me are the guys who can't see why they really can't get a date, they just expect any woman to jump on them if they hold the door open or compliment them. It probably means different things to us all, but that's what it has come to mean to me. It's not a good label.

Dylan didn't act too much like any female owed him anything, though. He might have been overzealous in his pursuit of his dream girl (re: that letter), but he didn't act like this girl owed him a date. We, of course, don't know of his actual interactions with her if any. If we can assume anything from his writings, he was too shy to really say much. Dylan acted embarrassed about his fetish and porn habits. He didn't like to talk about that much, or sex for that matter. Perhaps he though to himself that girls owed him dates or sex, but he didn't write that. We can't read his brain, sadly. (Wouldn't that be interesting?) I don't think I'd categorize Dylan as a nice guy under my definition of it. For that matter, I wouldn't classify Eric as one either.

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I know this thread has not been hit in a few months, but I had some thoughts in regards to Dylan’s journals. I’m wondering if it even was a journal at all. My thoughts are that he wrote things down before putting them on his website. We know he was at least planning a website but we cannot say it didn’t exist. He comes across as someone who plans things out before setting it in stone. I just finished the 11k and I keep going back to the boys journals. For instance Dylan has a paper that shows what looks to be his bedroom and what he plans on doing to it by moving things around. That to me shows he’s a planning kind of person. I’ve read Sue’s book for the fifth time a week ago. I like to re read and cross check things. She claims all his writings were on scraps of paper and nothing was in order like a journal. His first page shows a “virtual book” and in his scattered papers he leaves spots for “thought boxes” as if it would be in a format to a website. He has a “you know what I hate” rough draft and we know Eric had one on his website and both had (s)hit lists. Maybe things ran more parallel with those two than we even know. Meaning maybe Dylan had a website just like Eric’s. For all we know he could’ve been just as cruel as Eric was in his website. Of course we will never know. He destroyed what he could. Maybe these “journal” papers got misplaced or forgotten to be destroyed.

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Funny how he wrote "Enquire Mags" in the Hate Section and later after the shooting the magazine spreads false information about Dylan and Eric.... Shocked
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PostSubject: Was Dylan always this way   Dylan's journal. - Page 4 Icon_minitimeTue Jun 25, 2019 11:50 am

Everyone is born somewhat regular.Now with that being said there’s were so many things that caused this but which in particular. I say this say no one is born to kill what made him wanna kill??
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I always wonder what would happen if they didn’t meet??
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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??
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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??

It's not true, it's a conspiracy theory.

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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??

"Faggot" was apparently considered a standard insult at Columbine at that time. In one of the Rebel Mission logs where Eric writes of targeting Nick Baumgart's house (this was in 1997, well before his arrest), he calls Baumgart "un utter fag."  There are incidents relayed by students within the 11k, including by TCM members, that indicate that the majority of TCM members were also called fags at some point.
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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??

"Faggot" was apparently considered a standard insult at Columbine at that time. In one of the Rebel Mission logs where Eric writes of targeting Nick Baumgart's house (this was in 1997, well before his arrest), he calls Baumgart "un utter fag."  There are incidents relayed by students within the 11k, including by TCM members, that indicate that the majority of TCM members were also called fags at some point.

I feel like that was a standard insult at my school too... a 90's thing I think.

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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??

"Faggot" was apparently considered a standard insult at Columbine at that time. In one of the Rebel Mission logs where Eric writes of targeting Nick Baumgart's house (this was in 1997, well before his arrest), he calls Baumgart "un utter fag."  There are incidents relayed by students within the 11k, including by TCM members, that indicate that the majority of TCM members were also called fags at some point.

I feel like that was a standard insult at my school too... a 90's thing I think.

Lot's of people still use faggot as an insult today. It was practically the second word that came out of everyone's mouth in middle school. Outside of school it gets flung around on 4chan easily tens of thousands of times a day.

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PostSubject: Re: Dylan's journal.   Dylan's journal. - Page 4 Icon_minitimeSun Jul 14, 2019 7:14 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you for posting this. For a few weeks myself, I have been wondering who thought of it first. I agree with you that it was Dylan's idea. He started talking about NBK on 02/2/98 with his "love" and then Eric started talking about it in 04/10/98. At this point Dylan was already journaling about his life and how he hated it. User [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] even brings up a good point that Dylan brings up "My killing spree".

I don't think Dylan saw Eric as a poor man's substitute for his love like @thougthbox meantions, I feel that Dylan saw Eric as a loose cannon and used it to his advantage. I mean Eric clearly had some uncontrolable anger issues based of what he did to Brook's car and how he acted after getting arrested. Dylan used him. He saw his weakness based off how Eric was being treated and the anger issues and ran with it. One can agrue that Eric did most of the planning and spoke about it more, in which he did, however, how do we know that Dylan was coming up with the plan and Eric was just writing it down? I mean Dylan's actions during the shooting and what we seen after does make him look shady as fuck. He destroyed his hard drive and any trace of online presence. He most likely destoryed any journal entries that would have make him look more gulity. For those that was able to listen to the full 911 call, Dylan was having the time of his life. There is an interview with Susan (I think it was in American Tragey I could be wrong) where she thought Dylan was conned into it. Then she watched the basement tapes and heard the 911 operator. She realized after that, Dylan was just as much into it than Eric. Dylan was just better at hiding it.
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I’ve heard (not confirmed) Rumor has it Eric was raped by a police officer. And somehow someway the school finds out and thats why they called him a “faggot”. Now if this true it actually makes a lot more sense for Eric’s motive. Idk if that is true or not but can someone confirm for me??

"Faggot" was apparently considered a standard insult at Columbine at that time. In one of the Rebel Mission logs where Eric writes of targeting Nick Baumgart's house (this was in 1997, well before his arrest), he calls Baumgart "un utter fag."  There are incidents relayed by students within the 11k, including by TCM members, that indicate that the majority of TCM members were also called fags at some point.

I feel like that was a standard insult at my school too... a 90's thing I think.

It was a 90's thing. Everyone used to say fag or retarded for everything it seemed. And "getting fucked in the ass" was a 90's thing too. It doesn't mean they were raped, they felt screwed over by the system. Just for example, my State just raised taxes on gas, tobacco and plate registrations. So I would say that I am getting raped up the ass in taxes. Doesn't mean my State government is physically raping me.
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@Miasmom thank u for explaining it to me thx
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No problem. It’s hard for those who didn’t grow up in that era to understand. Being the Class of 99’ those who grew up in that age might have a better understanding in what they actually meant.
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