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PostSubject: Under different circumstances it would’ve been a lot different.   Under different circumstances it would’ve been a lot  different. Icon_minitimeSun May 22, 2016 2:27 am

I have been thinking about what Eric said to Susan in his final tape. In that situation you think about people you care the most right? maybe Eric saw that something could have happened between him and Susan. But still, it was not enough for him to stop.


What do you think "Under different circumstances it would’ve been a lot different" means? I'm sure that it was not something randomly said.

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I have always thought if Eric met Susan earlier things may not have progressed into NBK. No real way of knowing but perhaps if he wasnt planning NBK he thought it could have been a real relationship

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It could go a couple of ways, what I strongly feel is that it's either firstly, had he not planned a massacre and suicide + he could actually deal with the insecure teenager pain and issues he had, he and Susan might've been able to have a relationship and they could have dated. I think he felt that Susan was sweet and nice and they could potentially be together but he will not back out on everything he had planned. He probably felt it was easier to go through with NBK than give life a chance. That or, he might have been referring to sex? That's just what I assumed. I think maybe he meant if he were more confident or sure of himself/the situation or something he would approach Susan in that sense. Cause, as discussed here before, what he and Susan did that night they hung out in his house is still up for speculation, we can't know for sure. Considering the letter she wrote to him, she's either a really sentimental girl who liked him more than she expected or, they might've had something special only she knows about. I don't think they know each other that long but, she obviously felt alright and safe with Eric.

edit: the letter that susan wrote was heartbreaking aswell. She was referring to how much eric could've just spoken to her and told her what he was going through. but he didn't. it could've been how late the timing was but either way, it sort of brings to light it doesn't really matter if someone was conveniently there and cared enough, he didn't wanna bear his issues. He wanted to stick by killing.

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i also found it rather interesting that she mentioned him "making sure she always had what she needed" or something to that extent? it was an interesting thing to say about someone like Eric. i mean...rather the public perception he has.

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yeah. it's either he always knew how to treat girls right (well, in the beginning until almost every girl he dated deems him weird/persistent) or, to him it was the last time he would be with a girl he cared about so he treated her the best he could, knowing he won't see her again.

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This is really long but this is Susan's testimony from the 11k.

Susan Dewitt's testimony:

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IO Parson and Det. Jim Vonderohe were requested by the command post to conduct an interview with Susan Dewitt, who had approached an officer on the perimeter of the crime scene with information. At 1155 hours, IO and Det. Vonderohe met with Susan Rebecca Dewitt, DOB 2/3/82, who was ccompanied by her father, Steve Dewitt, and mother, Susan Fjeldheim. Susan Dewitt and her family were moved by IO's car to a point away from the media, at a nearby park on Fair St. near Marshall. This is a point inside the outer perimeter and just east of Columbin High School.

At 1155 hours, the interview was conducted, but was not recorded, due to the lack of equipment. Susan Dewitt stated that she had known Eric Harris after meeting him at hsi place of employment, the Blackjack Pizza restaurant, located near Ottawa and Pierce St. She states that she works for Great Clips which is in the same strip mall, and her job as receptionist involves her frequent trips to Blackjack Pizza to order and pick up pizza for the various employees at Great Clips. She got to know Eric, who works at Blackjack and discovered that they go to the same school. She stated that he seemed very nice and that they talked to each other occasionally. He somehow determined her name and began asking some of her friends at school about her and whether or not she like him, etc. She stated that he even went into Great Clips to ask for her on a couple of occasions. He has asked a friend of hers by the name of Megan Ledsack about her and whether or not Susan liked Eric. She stated that this has all occurred since January and that she did not know him prior to that time.

S. Dewitt stated that last Friday night (4/16/99) business was slow because of the snow and she went to the pizza business to place an order and returned shortly after that to pick it up. She stated that he provided her the order, at approximately 7:30PM, and that they talked briefly. She gave him her phone number and he indicated he would call after work. She stated that she got off at approximately 9:00PM. He later did, in fact, call her residence, getting her mother, Susan Fjeldheim.

Susan Fjeldheim stated that he called and identified himself as Eric and asked for Susan. She stated that he seemed very nice until she told him that Susan had gone to spend the night with a friend. She stated that his tone changed somewhat and that he seemed somwhat mad that Susan was not home to receive his call. She asked if he wanted her pager number and he took it. She recalled thinking that seemed very unusual that he would get so angry so quickly, simply because she was not at home.

Susan Dewitt then stated that Eric did page her, and indicated that the phone number was still in her pager. She checked her pager and indicated that she received the page at 9:29 on Friday night, the 16th, and was requested to call the phone number 932-8561. Following that phone number was the number 732, which she stated she recognized as his personal code, but did not know that it was his code until talking with him on the phone. She explained that many of the kids today are using code numbers following their phone number to let people know that it is "really them". She learned upon talking to him that 732 was his code. She stated that he stated that he was home and that the 932 phone number was his personal line in his room. She indicated she was spending the night at a friend named Katie's and that they talked for about half an hour. She stated that he did not seem mad at all and seemed fine. Asked about what kinds of things they talked about, she stated that he once mentioned some kids that he used to be friends with. who he was mad at for making fun of him. She specifically mentioned Mike Dinkle. whose sister is president of the student body in their school. He stated that he had heard that Mike Dinkle was talking about him and making fun of him and so he stopped hanging around with Mike. Susan Dewitt indicated that Mike Dinkle's sister is named Heather and that her friend, Megan. is boyfriend/girfriend with Mike Dinkle.

In response to questions, Susan Dewitt stated that she would sometimes see Eric at school, but would most often see him standing along the street where kids parked east of the school (Fair St.) smoking or talking with friends. They would say hi to each other.

Asked who Eric most often hung around with, she stated that he hung with a boy named Nathan, a senior who used to work at the McDonalds at Coal Mine and Pierce and then at Blackjack, where Eric works. She stated, however, that Nathan recently quit Blackjack's. Asked about Dylan Klebold, she stated that she did not know Dylan.

Asked about what else they talked about, she stated that they talked a little bit about computers because she was attempting to install AOL at her friend Katie's residence. Asked if Eric seemed to know a lot about computers. she stated that he did and that when she was visiting him at his home on Saturday, he talked about making CD's from the computer.

Returning to the one half hour phone call on Friday, 4/16/99, she stated that he asked if she had plans for Saturday and they agreed that he would call her sometime in the early afternoon of Saturday 4/17/99. He, in fact, called her later Saturday evening, at approximately 6:30 or 7:00 PM and asked her if she wanted to come to his residence and watch a movie. She agreed, arriving at approximately 7:00 PM. She indicated that he only lived approximately 5 minutes from her and that she drove herself to his residence. She staed that his parents had just left and he indicated that they were going out to dinner for their anniversary. He was home alone. She stated that they watched the movie "Event Horizon" and Eric indicated that this was one of his favorite movies. She stated it was about demons and a haunted ship. She indicated she could not give us Eric's address, but that he had given her directions for her to go to his house. She described it as a nice house with blue trim and grey stone, three-story and very large with a two-car garage. She stated that when she arrived, she glanced around and noticed Eric's black trench coat laying on the stairs. She stated that she sees him in it outside of the school, but not in school. She stated that he was acting "normal", sitting around. He asked if she wanted to go downstairs and watch the movie and they, in fact, did move to the downstairs area. They watched the movie straight through with no interruptions or phone calls and the movie ended at approximately 9:30 or 9:40PM. After the movie was over, they talked briefly and the only time he left was to let the dog out and return and let the dog in and return. We talked about other movies and made "small talk". She stated that he mentioned Mike Dinkle again and that he seemed "hurt" rather than angry about hearing that Dinkle had talked about him and made fun of him. He described Dinkle as being a "jerk" that he did not like anymore. He did not make any threats towards Dinkle, however.

She stated that his parents returned home at approximately 10:00 or 10:30PM and that his mother, and then father, came downstairs. They talked for about five minutes and seemed nice. Eric's mother shook her hand and Eric's father indicated that he got his hair cut at the Great Clips where she worked. They then went upstairs and Eric asked her if she wanted to listen to some music. They went into his bedroom, which was downstairs, and just off of the room where they were watching the movie. She stated that his room had posters of bands and one of Jenny McCarthy. She noted that he had a lot of CDs and that he made them off of the computer. Asked about the type of music that he was listening to, she stated that some of the music was "soft and flowing" such as Enya but stated that some of the music had "anger expressed." She stated that it was yelling and screaming. She stated that she did not believe it was in any foreign lanugages or that profanity was used, but that there was lots of banging. He described this as some of his favorites. She stated that she was not familiar with any of the music of this nature. In response to questions, she stated that the playing of this music did not seem to upset him.

She indicated that she saw soccer jerseys hanging in his room and asked if he played soccer. He stated that he did, until recently, but had dropped out. She asked if he played for Columbine High School and he stated, no and stated it in such a way that was somewhat exaggerated, but very definite that he had not played for the school. She stated that they continued to sit on his bed listening to music. She looked around his room and recalled seeing concert and movie ticket stubs stapled around his window. She stated that she did not see anything in his room that she considered suspicious. She stated that he received no phone calls during this time. At one point, she asked him for an aspirin and he left the room to look for one for her because she had a headache. Then, her sister paged her, which meant "get home". She indicated that he made no effort to get up or to encourage her to leave, however. She told him eventually that she needed to go home so she wouldn't get in trouble. She stated that the page came in at approximately 10:30 and that she did not leave for approximately 30 more minutes.

Asked if he had initiated any type of intimate contact with her, and she stated that he put his arm around her once, but did not kiss her except to kiss her on the cheek when she left, as a way of saying goodbye. He mentioned to her that she could go out and warm her car up and come back in until it was warm, but she stated that she better get home so she did not get in trouble.

On Sunday, 4/18/99, she stated she was working at Great Clips and Eric's father came in and said hello to her, calling her by name. She stated that he seemed very happy.

In response to questions, she stated that Eric and his parents seemed to get along very well together.

She did not receive any calls from Eric on Sunday. She saw him on Monday while walking to her car from school at approximately 10:15AM. She stated that she looked over and saw him and another boy that she did not know and that they waved. He walked over to talk to her while the other boy waited a short distance away. She asked him what he was doing and he stated that he was ditching class. She stated that they talked for about five minutes and that he seemed like something was bothering him. She described the other boy as being tall, with ear length, curly brown hair, and a black trench coat. She stated that she did not know who he as but that he might be named "Nate". She could not recall any facial hair and could not recall the color of his pants or shirt. She stated that she had to go and turned to walk away. She turned around a short distance later to look back but could not see him anywhere. She stated that he always seemed to do this, indicating that as she would walk away, she would turn and he would disappear. She stated this was the last time that she saw Eric.

In response to questions. she stated that it was her habit to go home for lunch and return to the school at approximately 11:45AM and that Eric was aware of this because she would frequently see him while walking to her car to leave for lunch.

In response to questions, she stated that she did not know Dylan, but had heard of the "Trench Coat Mafia" around school. She thought that there were "a lot of them" and had two of them in a class last semester. However, she stated that she rarely saw Eric hanging with them in a large group, only seeing him with one or two of them at a time. She stated that he seemed to dress normal sometimes, as well.

She repeated that they met in January and could not recall ever seeing him before January around school, but then stated that she thought she had a computer class with him.

In response to questions, she stated that she did not recall seeing a computer in Eric's room or in his chome. She did not recall seeing guns or anything related to explosive devices.

Asked if she knew anyone by the name of (redacted). She staed that he knew a (redacted) from school and thought that he was a senior, but did not believe he was a "trenchcoat mafia" person, but might hang out with them. She described him as being 5'9" or 5'10", heavyset, with dark brown hair cut in a "bowl" cut and very straight. She stated that she saw (redacted) on the news Tuesday, 4/20/99 standing around near Fair and Marshall, wearing a striped shirt (horizontal stripes). She stated that (redacted) had "hatred towards everyone" and would frequently make comments in class about people and was "not nice". She was unaware of any nicknames that he might have. She stated that he would frequently disrupt the class about something that someone in the class might say, making fun of them or belittling them. She stated that (redacted) was friends with another boy, who always wore a black trench coat, had dark curly hair down to his shoulders and was very tall. She stated that this boy had acne and body odor and wore black all of the time. She stated that she did not know his name.

Asked about her time spent inside of Eric's bedroom and whether or not she had observed any Nazi or Hitler type items, she stated that she wasn't absolutely sure, but thought that he might have had a Hitler picture above his bed. She did not recall seeing any tatoos or other markings on his body.

Asked about videos that he made, she stated that she was once in their computer tech lab and saw Eric and two other boys intently watching a video as she walked by. She recalled that the video depicted boys Eric's age, wearing Army camouflage type clothing, and black bandanas around their hair, running with guns in a field. She wa unsure as to who the boys were and was unsure whether Eric was in the video. She stated that she saw this video about two weeks ago and had not discussed it with Eric. She stated that they seemed to be very much "into it" as she walked by. She again stated that the people in the video seemed to be running with some type of guns and that she ehard what sounded like fireworks going off. She assumed that they were preparing a video for the "Friday showing", when individuals who make their own videos have them run on the closed circuit television system in the school, prior to announcments. She stated tht she thinks she has seen Eric on other videos during the friday announcments in the past, but was not sure.

In response to questions, she stated that he did not express any thoughts on political views with the government and did not make any remarks about jocks or blacks.

Asked again about her brief conversation on Monday 4/19/99, with Eric at school, she stated that he seemed as though he as not concentrating on things and was anxious and irritated, as though something was disturbing him. She noted this in only a five minute conversation. She stated that the other guy was smoking and waiting for him, but did not speak to Eric or hurry him.

In response to questions, she stated that he never in any way warned her about going to school on Monday and that on Saturday night had offered to make her copies of a CD.

Asked if Eric owned a vehicle, she stated that he drove a grey Honda 4-door and older model, but that she had never been in it. She stated that she saw it at his work, parked behind the building when he was working.

Asked about friends of hers who might know of any of the Trench Coat Mafia individuals, she stated that a girl in her third period choir class, Pauline Colby, used to hang with the Trench Coat Mafia but quit hanging aroudn with them because their "attitude scared her". She indicated that she had no further information to provide.

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i dunno why i find his offer to heat her car for her and his getting her an aspirin after she complains about a headache...dare i say...cute? also lol at her saying that he always did that. that just as she turned her back to walk away and she turned around again he was gone.

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Ive always kinda felt that there is more to the story. That what happened at erics house was more than a peck on the cheek. Whatever happened between them was important enough to eric that he took a moment to apologize to her during the most important time in his life right before NBK. He surely had a million things going through his mind. And susans letter was way too emotional for someone who got a kiss on the cheek from someone she hardly knew. Her parents were with her during the police interview so maybe she didnt want to admit to intimacy in front of them. Or maybe she did tell them of more and they figured it best to omit that part altogether for her protection. After all who wants to be known as the girl who was intimate with eric harris right before he comitted murder? I dont know, it just doesnt add up for me.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] yup that's exactly what I meant when I said I feel there was more between them or what happened that night at his house. Either way, it came off like she was really into him.

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It would be awful to find out the person you were just getting to know and shared an intimate moment with was the person responsible for such a heinous crime and then suicide. After making such an emotional investment, the feeling of abandonment and being used and duped would be overwhelming. Eric obviously cared enough to apologize to her directly. I find it very sad. But then everything about columbine is sad and senseless.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree exactly word by word rockie. it's extremely heartbreaking.
and considering I'm assuming she's the last girl he spent time with and somehow cared enough? i'd understand why he gave her a significant shoutout on the basement tape. I'm assuming they were close enough where he knew this would crush her. I assume it did, and she wrote an open letter to him. I hope that gave her release and closure. Hence I said, she writes why he never told her what he was going through, etc. and I feel that it came so close to NBK it didn't matter if a girl could "save" him.
He couldn't change his mind going through with it.

Oh yeah I've thought about it a few times, had I spent time with a guy who was really great and treated me well or slept with him and the next day I find out he committed a mass murder. Pretty mindblowing. Almost lucky enough he treated her without harm.

"After making such an emotional investment, the feeling of abandonment and being used and duped would be overwhelming." I really like this line. Well put.

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I can't help but wonder if Eric ever harbored any feelings for Susan. That could have been his one and only chance to finally have something he really wished for. But I guess in the end it was inevitable. What a shame.

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Is Susan the one he watched that shitty "Event Horizon" movie with? I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO.

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Is Susan the one he watched that shitty "Event Horizon" movie with? I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO.

Yurp! That was her!
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO." wait what? hahahha what do you mean?

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Is Susan the one he watched that shitty "Event Horizon" movie with? I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO.

Yes. Eric must have really loved it. That movie was also in his car when he was arrested in Jan
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO." wait what? hahahha what do you mean?

Oh, I meant nothing happened on the date, just a peck on the cheek. Not that I went and committed mass murder shortly after.

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ThoughtBox wrote:
Is Susan the one he watched that shitty "Event Horizon" movie with? I remember seeing that at the movies on a date and ended up as badly as Eric's LMMFAO.

Yes.  Eric must have really loved it.  That movie was also in his car when he was arrested in Jan

It's actually a pretty dark and disturbing (if shitty) movie. If Eric had any thoughts about the so-called afterlife being anything, resembling what is shown in the movie, or anything like it, that is terrifying.

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oh got it [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] study

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] lol agreed. one of my mental illnesses got triggered watched that movie and i had a full on episode. it was not pretty. needless to say, i am not watching that movie ever again. i have a thing about eyes you know? and i am sure you remember the scenes with eyes. so yeah. neeeveerrr agaaaiin.

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