UK gun laws and the reality (Dunblane and Hungerford)

Today i will talk about my view on UK gun laws and why they are extremely backward.

After the Hungerford massacre in 1988 where Michael Ryan wandered his country village armed with a Semi automatic type 57 rifle (Chinese AK 47),a M1 carbine and a Berreta handgun shooting down residents, semi automatic weapons were banned with the only semi autos nowdays being .22 rimfires.

Then forwarding on to 1996 when a scout leader and Paedophile Thomas hamilton entered Dunblane primary school with 2 9mm hanguns and 2 .357 revolvers opened fire in a gymnasium of kids killing 16 kids and a teacher, after this handguns were then banned completely in the UK.

But heres the problem they were two one off incidents that pretty muched ruined UK gun laws and many Former SAS and British soldiers have been arrested and prosecuted for keeping their service pistols and rifles which they served the country with and its not fair even some of them are WW2 veterans and are gonna die in the prison system and not with their families which is backward. Another thing people will say if we loosen gun laws criminals will be able to easily get them but heres the truth, criminals are illegal which means most times they will get their weapons illegaly anyway, In the UK their is tons of gun crime mainly in london and over 95% of the guns are obtained illegaly so at the end of the day guns and our freedom are being taken away from the law abiding citizens which limits our defense from crime and for the criminals it doesn't matter cause they get them illegaly.

I am all for Guns and the right to bare Arms and i 100% support the British and American NRA

-Ascension

And don't forget Derrick Bird's guns were legaly owned when he went on the rampage in Cumbria in 2010, and no restrictions have been made since, so it is possible for a nutter to go undetected untill it is too late.

Ziamber II wrote:

And don't forget Derrick Bird's guns were legaly owned when he went on the rampage in Cumbria in 2010, and no restrictions have been made since, so it is possible for a nutter to go undetected untill it is too late.

that happened a few days ago, some guy took hostages with a shotgun or something (i know not a rifle like bird) but still access to guns arent that hard

-warrior wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

And don't forget Derrick Bird's guns were legaly owned when he went on the rampage in Cumbria in 2010, and no restrictions have been made since, so it is possible for a nutter to go undetected untill it is too late.

that happened a few days ago, some guy took hostages with a shotgun or something (i know not a rifle like bird) but still access to guns arent that hard

He used a replica fake gun, and the only reason Derrick was able to do what he did was the fact he had, not only guns but a car, the car allowed him to reload in between the drive-bys.

I am in full support of banning guns, it is proven this type of shit becomes a lot more common when you legalize guns.

One massacre every 20 years is better than one every 6 or so weeks.

awsomehq wrote:

-warrior wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

And don't forget Derrick Bird's guns were legaly owned when he went on the rampage in Cumbria in 2010, and no restrictions have been made since, so it is possible for a nutter to go undetected untill it is too late.

that happened a few days ago, some guy took hostages with a shotgun or something (i know not a rifle like bird) but still access to guns arent that hard

He used a replica fake gun, and the only reason Derrick was able to do what he did was the fact he had, not only guns but a car, the car allowed him to reload in between the drive-bys.

I am in full support of banning guns, it is proven this type of shit becomes a lot more common when you legalize guns.

the reloading during the driving is like the uber guy in 2016.

awsomehq wrote:

-warrior wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

And don't forget Derrick Bird's guns were legaly owned when he went on the rampage in Cumbria in 2010, and no restrictions have been made since, so it is possible for a nutter to go undetected untill it is too late.

that happened a few days ago, some guy took hostages with a shotgun or something (i know not a rifle like bird) but still access to guns arent that hard

He used a replica fake gun, and the only reason Derrick was able to do what he did was the fact he had, not only guns but a car, the car allowed him to reload in between the drive-bys.

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Also take into the account the fact that Derrick Bird was a taxi driver who knew the local roads better than anyone else, the police never saw him untill he killed himself. A very effective method of shooting even if he used a standard shotgun.

As for Hungerford, does anyone else think things would have been different had his car started?

Can you guys stop arguing about politics on Other Mass Shootings please

Yeah, I think this should've been posted on Off Topic since it's more related to politics rather than mass shootings. The only time mass shootings have been referenced here is when OP was talking about how Hungerford and Dunblane changed the gun laws here.

Ziamber II wrote:

As for Hungerford, does anyone else think  things would have been different had his car started?

It depends really, Michael's mental state at the time was severally unstable, for all we know he might of committed a massacre at a different town.

I agree, i think he would have ended up shooting people from his car, like Derrick Bird.

Speaking of Bird, what do you think his motive was?