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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 4:50 am
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 6:38 am
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That’s a nice picture. Glad to see them smiling.
They are still cowards refusting to speak out.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 9:22 am
bradt93 wrote:
LadyStardust wrote:
That’s a nice picture. Glad to see them smiling.
They are still cowards refusting to speak out.
This is an extremely closed minded and judgemental thing to say. Being that you have never been in the situation you have no idea what you are talking about. Please keep your negative comments to yourself.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 9:28 am
Lizpuff wrote:
bradt93 wrote:
LadyStardust wrote:
That’s a nice picture. Glad to see them smiling.
They are still cowards refusting to speak out.
This is an extremely closed minded and judgemental thing to say. Being that you have never been in the situation you have no idea what you are talking about. Please keep your negative comments to yourself.
Even though it’s been 20 years it’s probably even scarier for them to speak out now. Especially with the narrative of sad Dylan and evil Eric that people believe. I am sure that Wayne, Kathy and Kevin have happy stories stories. They can probably write a book that’s just as remarkable about Eric.
I have never assumed that they don’t love Eric just because they haven’t spoken publicly.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 9:45 am
I could imagine Kevin writing a book ... Including their stories how it went down in the school... Maybe this would be easier for them ... They could have joined Sue ,and do this together You opinions about this? I think ppl are pissed about their silence, because they have "accepted " that Eric is a psychopath. Also because they didn't say goodbye to him neither held a funeral for him. They mostly blame Wayne for their silence. They said that Kathy is husband's doormat. What I noticed from the story Harris meeting with the Mauser's is that Wayne did most of the talking Kathy was more in the background. You could say that Wayne was the chief in the house since he's was in the military.
Because no one was there for him.
So yeah I understand both sides.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 10:16 am
Rebbie556 wrote:
I could imagine Kevin writing a book ... Including their stories how it went down in the school... Maybe this would be easier for them ... They could have joined Sue ,and do this together You opinions about this? I think ppl are pissed about their silence, because they have "accepted " that Eric is a psychopath. Also because they didn't say goodbye to him neither held a funeral for him. They mostly blame Wayne for their silence. They said that Kathy is husband's doormat. What I noticed from the story Harris meeting with the Mauser's is that Wayne did most of the talking Kathy was more in the background. You could say that Wayne was the chief in the house since he's was in the military.
Because no one was there for him.
So yeah I understand both sides.
I don't think the Harrises would want to speak with Sue. Since Sue has come forward she seems to put most of the blame onto Eric. I can't imagine how that would feel. I don't know if they (the Harris family) believe that Eric was the main force of NBK, but if they think it was a joint effort, or a Dylan push I can't see them agreeing with Sue at all.
It seems like Kathy is an all around mousey person. I am sure being the military man that Wayne is he is used to taking control If Kathy is ok with that I don't see an issue.
We do not know if they had a funeral for him. No one has ever said. All we know is that any funeral was NOT public. they could have had a private service.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 4:33 pm
"Since Sue has come forward she seems to put most of the blame onto Eric"
Dave Cullen cooperated with Sue just saying. I posted topic about this .
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 09, 2019 4:48 pm
Don't look mad Eric !this will give ya hella wrinkles! Okay why the heck he looks like Steven Tyler in this??
He was a nice looking guy, the girls must of really been scared of him. What did he do that was so weird I wonder?
Way I hear it there were quite a few girls that did go out with him so yea he didn't look too bad on the outside. Quite a few of them however did not go on a second date because he was either too quiet and said nothing or he spoke of weird violent things.
I think the date with Susan was the only one that the girl spoke in a positive manner about him
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 16, 2019 8:34 am
Don't look mad Eric !this will give ya hella wrinkles! Okay why the heck he looks like Steven Tyler in this??
He was a nice looking guy, the girls must of really been scared of him. What did he do that was so weird I wonder?
Way I hear it there were quite a few girls that did go out with him so yea he didn't look too bad on the outside. Quite a few of them however did not go on a second date because he was either too quiet and said nothing or he spoke of weird violent things.
I think the date with Susan was the only one that the girl spoke in a positive manner about him
I always thought with Eric that his reputation of not handling breakups well probably perceded him. So even if someone wanted to go out with him they were probably worried about the possibility of fake suicide attempts, vandalism, nasty emails etc..
I think Eric (and Dylan) were probably better as a friend than a boyfriend.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 16, 2019 9:08 am
Don't look mad Eric !this will give ya hella wrinkles! Okay why the heck he looks like Steven Tyler in this??
He was a nice looking guy, the girls must of really been scared of him. What did he do that was so weird I wonder?
Way I hear it there were quite a few girls that did go out with him so yea he didn't look too bad on the outside. Quite a few of them however did not go on a second date because he was either too quiet and said nothing or he spoke of weird violent things.
I think the date with Susan was the only one that the girl spoke in a positive manner about him
Maybe by the time he had that date with Susan he had relaxed some. He had nothing to lose!
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 16, 2019 10:15 am
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 16, 2019 5:46 pm
LadyStardust wrote:
Holy cow!!! The quality of those pics!! Where did you find those? I am astounded!
Looks like AI /machine learning being used on those tumblr pics. Something like this : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
It can lead to some great cleanup, but can also make things look uncanny valley / video game cutscenes.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Mon May 27, 2019 2:46 am
Eric was a handsome young man, I'm sexually attracted to females but just looking at one human being to another I think Eric is a good looking young man. Men can judge other men without being gay. I don't understand why he had such low self esteem and btw Susan was beautiful! I think Eric/Susan would've made a great couple. I just want to know what are the different circumstances Eric speaks of?
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Mon May 27, 2019 3:21 am
dereknocturnal wrote:
I don't understand why he had such low self esteem
Eric was very good looking, I agree. I think that the whole issue with his self-esteem was about not being as bulked up as the jocks who bullied him, he felt inferior in a way or another
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Mon May 27, 2019 4:03 am
Yes, you are probably right, it was people around him who made him feel ugly.I couldn't believe in the basement tapes where he said he even trashes on people who look like him just so he can rip on himself since he hated the way he looks. Eric Harris if your energy still inhabits planet earth you were not ugly not at all I wish someone could've got to you before NBK and told you how handsome and intelligent you were. I'm not trying to fanboy/girl I just feel so sad that this young man was so lost on 4/20/99 he felt the need to go through with this massacre, I know Eric probably felt helpless and like his life had no meaning/future, but Eric was a victim too a victim of self hatred and self doubt you could've been anything you wanted to be Eric I know its so cliché for someone to say that but it is true. If you wanted to die the way you died that was destiny but you were not ugly you were not pathetic you were not the weird Eric kid. btw I love your taste in music.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Mon May 27, 2019 4:38 am
I feel most sorry for Eric out of the 2 killers, and I know "Reb" wouldn't want any damn human trash feeling sympathy for him but I do. The books published on Columbine show Eric as the psycho killing machine that lured depressed Dylan into NBK people in this forum have given thoughts on why that may not have been the case. Eric's family has to still love him and Eric himself showed his soul showed emotion speaking of his blackjack friends and friends back in Michigan. Eric Harris was not a blood thirsty psychopath events in his life turned him toward the darkness, nobody is truly a "psycho" they are made by their experiences.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Mon May 27, 2019 10:25 am
Amarantha wrote:
dereknocturnal wrote:
I don't understand why he had such low self esteem
Eric was very good looking, I agree. I think that the whole issue with his self-esteem was about not being as bulked up as the jocks who bullied him, he felt inferior in a way or another
I think if Eric did indeed have the indentation in his chest (we know through what we've read, not what we've seen) that had to have worsened his self-esteem too. Eric was handsome but, when you add all of these various aspects up (inferiority to the jocks, slim frame, chest indentation, etc.), it just didn't matter. He couldn't see it in himself.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Wed May 29, 2019 2:57 am
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] maybe they don't want to remember him how the media portrays him. They want to remember him as child Eric as a happy kid.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Wed May 29, 2019 4:10 am
Effigy1983 wrote:
Amarantha wrote:
dereknocturnal wrote:
I don't understand why he had such low self esteem
Eric was very good looking, I agree. I think that the whole issue with his self-esteem was about not being as bulked up as the jocks who bullied him, he felt inferior in a way or another
I think if Eric did indeed have the indentation in his chest (we know through what we've read, not what we've seen) that had to have worsened his self-esteem too. Eric was handsome but, when you add all of these various aspects up (inferiority to the jocks, slim frame, chest indentation, etc.), it just didn't matter. He couldn't see it in himself.
pectus excavatum is what the condition is for the concave chest. And many have overcame it [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Wed May 29, 2019 4:51 am
@redacted ah the rocky mountains
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Wed May 29, 2019 9:50 am
HanShotFirst wrote:
Effigy1983 wrote:
Amarantha wrote:
dereknocturnal wrote:
I don't understand why he had such low self esteem
Eric was very good looking, I agree. I think that the whole issue with his self-esteem was about not being as bulked up as the jocks who bullied him, he felt inferior in a way or another
I think if Eric did indeed have the indentation in his chest (we know through what we've read, not what we've seen) that had to have worsened his self-esteem too. Eric was handsome but, when you add all of these various aspects up (inferiority to the jocks, slim frame, chest indentation, etc.), it just didn't matter. He couldn't see it in himself.
pectus excavatum is what the condition is for the concave chest. And many have overcame it [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
That's honestly fantastic. It's great that many people have overcome pectus excavatum (thank you for telling me the name).
But in high school, some kids are self-conscious about everything. Some kids press on and overcome these issues, but Eric already had so many qualms with his overall appearance that there was no way he could overcome something like this. Especially if people were indeed laughing at him in gym class because of it. It all boils down to the overall mindset of these people. The dude in the image you attached had the willpower to turn his body around like that. Eric, on the other hand, had a weak mind.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Thu May 30, 2019 12:09 am
body acceptance plays a huge part in maintaining our mental health; to be honest we've become far too strict in judging other people's appearances. The guy on the left looks great too, it's not like he's repulsive or something.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:15 pm
Well, I don't care how someone looks as long as they are nice, but it seems like people have become meaner since Trump was elected.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:39 am
bradt93 wrote:
Well, I don't care how someone looks as long as they are nice, but it seems like people have become meaner since Trump was elected.
Trump was the real reason Columbine happened.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:12 am
Tesla101 wrote:
bradt93 wrote:
Well, I don't care how someone looks as long as they are nice, but it seems like people have become meaner since Trump was elected.
Trump was the real reason Columbine happened.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:25 am
Lizpuff wrote:
Tesla101 wrote:
bradt93 wrote:
Well, I don't care how someone looks as long as they are nice, but it seems like people have become meaner since Trump was elected.
Trump was the real reason Columbine happened.
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He should make up for it by demanding the FBI release the basement tapes.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:10 pm
Tesla101 wrote:
bradt93 wrote:
Well, I don't care how someone looks as long as they are nice, but it seems like people have become meaner since Trump was elected.
Do you think the second one is really him? To me, eyes and eyebrows in # 2 are totally different from the 1st and 3rd picture (both of which are unmistakably Eric Harris.). Also the kid in the 2nd picture has brown eyes - Eric had gray or hazel eyes, depending on what you read - but not brown...
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:18 am
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:21 am
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:53 pm
Marianna wrote:
Do you think the second one is really him? To me, eyes and eyebrows in # 2 are totally different from the 1st and 3rd picture (both of which are unmistakably Eric Harris.). Also the kid in the 2nd picture has brown eyes - Eric had gray or hazel eyes, depending on what you read - but not brown...
it is him, it was from one of his friends in plattsburgh. The eye color thing is simple, the editor who enhanced the image color corrected it, or the other two things could be the lighting, it was a photo taken from a video of someone holding a photo, and those old cameras would display everyones eyes are red, those old kodak film you had to go and develop.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:50 pm
spidEr wrote:
Do you think the second one is really him? To me, eyes and eyebrows in # 2 are totally different from the 1st and 3rd picture (both of which are unmistakably Eric Harris.). Also the kid in the 2nd picture has brown eyes - Eric had gray or hazel eyes, depending on what you read - but not brown... it is him, it was from one of his friends in plattsburgh. The eye color thing is simple, the editor who enhanced the image color corrected it, or the other two things could be the lighting, it was a photo taken from a video of someone holding a photo, and those old cameras would display everyones eyes are red, those old kodak film you had to go and develop.
Great responses thank you! All great points, and I appreciate knowing the origin of the photo, that nails it down.
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Subject: Re: Eric Harris. Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:31 am
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Am I the only one who wonders what his parents are doing about it? Honestly, I reckon they would rather forget about Eric's birthday. From little things I've picked up on using the tiny bit of info I got, I think they pretty much accepted that Eric was a psychopath. I would imagine they have tried to leave Eric behind as much as possible and focus on Kevin.
This is something I do not believe at all. You don't just lose love for your child. No matter what they do. Even though the Harris family has been silent after the massacre I do not believe that they have just tried to forget Eric. They are handling things very differently from the other families but that does not mean that they would rather forget about him
I'm sorry but I feel Wayne and Kathy didn't care for Eric from the get-go, I don't know but I don't think they loved Eric as much as Sue and Tom loved Dylan, just my opinion.
With all due respect, I really don’t see how you came to that conclusion. How in a million years would they know what he would grow up to be?
Most importantly, a parent (especially a mother) has unconditional love for their child. All of these shooters, that was someone’s child.
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