Forum member who committed murder/suicide.

Yesterday, June 8, 2017, one of our forum members committed a murder/suicide in the state of Pennsylvania. I feel terrible about this because this person was apart of our community. Forum member @EGSandrew murdered 3 people and then killed himself. I am terribly sorry to anyone who was affected by this and if I had any kind of inkling that he was planning something like this, I would have most certainly reported him. He never caused any serious problems on the forum. He was pleasant enough towards me in private messaging and he interacted with quite a few of the members on the forum and seemed to get along with every one well enough. I'm shocked and saddened by this entire thing and I'm sorry that someone from my forum did something like this.

I hate hearing about stuff like this. This dip shit gives us all a bad name. Surprising to see his posting was fairly benign too. Thoughts are with the families of those who were killed and injured.

How do you guys now he was a member of this forum?

This is terrible, truly terrible. He seemed like a harmless enough guy. I remember talking to him a couple of times in threads on the main board.

Just read a couple of articles in the news about the shooting. Says he disliked his manager & that he was into cross dressing. One suggested he praised Eric and Dylan online - I can't recall him saying anything like that on here but perhaps he did on his YouTube account or something.

A couple of his more recent posts, which now, are quite disturbing to read (not that they were before this incident).

If you could ask Eric & Dylan one question thread...

"what would you guys have done differently if given the opportunity to do it all over again?"

Small questions thread...

"Does anyone know how many times Eric and Dylan actually got to practice shooting their guns besides the Rampart Range video?"

Oh my goodness.

Is this him?

https://youtu.be/aCfNrCOttNk

Looks like it was. Just watched a video of him from 2016 saying why he's stopped making his movies. He sounded pretty depressed making that.

What part of Pennsylvania? I live in PA and this hit me very close to home, as you can imagine.

I'm very saddened by what he did and while I don't understand it, I wish the best for his friends and loved ones. I guess it doesn't make sense, but now I feel a deep sense of regret settling on my shoulders. I wish I could have imparted a kind word to him if it would have made any difference. This has me thinking now about other forum members who might be dealing with silent battles of their own. I of course don't condone what he did, I just don't want to send the message that there's no one out there who would be willing to talk to someone who is struggling with suicidal/homicidal ideation and mental illness.

I lost a good friend to suicide last year and while I may not know any of you personally, I hope anyone who is feeling "trapped" or out of their own control can at least use this forum to reach out to others who seek to understand the pathology behind suicide or share their experiences with suicidal thoughts. Hell, you can even PM me if you have something on your mind. It just struck me that some of you here might be feeling things that maybe most people don't feel across their daily lives.

Looks like they haven't found his account on here yet.

Such a sad situation. :'( Thoughts and prayers going out for all families/friends involved. I agree with dahlia_rose. I know none of you on a personal level, having just joined recently myself. But if anyone is having issues or just wants a kind ear to vent to I'm here. Sometimes its easier to talk to a complete stranger then it is with someone who actually knows you.

fetalstress wrote:

How do you guys now he was a member of this forum?  

I first posted about him being a member here. I listened to his suicide tapes that he started recording in December 2016, around the same time he became a member on here. In his tapes he says he was a member here and gave his username. Interestingly, they still have not deleted most of his accounts or any of the files he uploaded to Mediafire documenting everything, so he will now have a cult following, which is exactly what he wanted. If you check his Twitter (all the EGS accounts are just him talking to and retweeting himself) he was posting the hashtag #DEKHARBS, which stands for Dylan Eric Klebold Harris Andrew Rachel Blaze Shadows. Andrew Blaze and Rachel Shadows were his multiple personalities that he lived through as animations.

In his tapes he attributes everything from the guns he chose and starting a journal to his obsession with Columbine and even hoped he would meet Eric Harris after he killed himself. If you listen to his tapes you will find the connections to some of the things he posted here. His post about Eric and Dylan's gun training seemed to be a valid concern of his own training. He trained for at least 3 months because he wasn't too confident in handling the guns and said they hurt his hands the first time he fired them. He was disappointed in Columbine footage not being released and talked about how his own surveillance footage would most likely not be released unless it was just him walking around with the guns. Some very disturbing thoughts and more disturbing at how articulated he was while documenting everything for months.

I’m guessing this is him?; http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/pennsylvania/2017/06/08/dead-murder-suicide-pa-weis/102621742/

This makes me wonder if there are any other members from this site who’ve committed suicide, without it ever being brought to our attention. I mean, perhaps some inactive members no longer exist. It’s an eerie thought O_O

The NSA needs to step up its game

...And that's the part that JeffCO starts screaming.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/local/pennsylvania/2017/06/08/dead-murder-suicide-pennsylvania-supermarket/102621250/
He blocked the entrances before he started shooting. Luckily the store was closed at the time, so there were only 3 deaths. As terrible as this was, if circumstances were different it could have been far worse.

Jabba wrote:

fetalstress wrote:

he will now have a cult following, which is exactly what he wanted.

I doubt Stair will gain much of a cult following. His massacre was fairly generic, with the exit blocking being the only real unique element, and with a very low number of casualties. In addition, most of the info on him is negative, like his obsession with children cartoons and his terrible artwork. He'll most likely end up as a laughingstock like Elliot Rodger, at least that's my prediction.

He already is. Look at the comments sections of his videos. Or this ED article: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Randy_Robert_Stair

Also the shooter was weak and was only using shotguns, a dumb move for him, but a good thing overall since it reduced the fatalities to only 3 innocents.

Obviously there needs to be some policemen and counselors lurking sites like this as much as possible to provide resources for ppl

It's hard to pinpoint a person on a forum as a threat though if they aren't posting anything extreme or even so, if they're a member but doesn't say much but is harmful in their real life.

This is actually mindblowing he literally replied to me a day ago in the John Savage thread.

Damn, he already has an Encyclopedia Dramatica page?

GreenGrayDay wrote:

Damn, he already has an Encyclopedia Dramatica page?

I mean, it's been a day

I haven't been to Encyclopedia dramatica in so long, nice to see it never lost its class.

Thanks but its been dying out ever since 2011

We still put out a lot of articles though me esp

Any of you who knew the guy PM me if you want me to extract some details from you, all anonymous dont worry

I had talked to him a few times, he seemed like a nice guy. Had no idea he would ever do this.

Thats what most people who knew a lot of shooters would say

Obviously the interest in any crimes (such as being on this site) is a warning sign of the potential to be a danger, but not an instant red flag

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza, a common trait I found was that the shooters were described as relatively well behaved, polite, reserved and disciplined, but a little off.

Go through your memory and see if you could notice anything out of the ordinary. Obviously you have literally 0 responsibility at all for what he did. A lot of society is brain damaged and would stigmatize you hard for simply knowing him.

Where did you talk to him? Was it on this forum or on YT? Because from what I heard he was making suicide / murder threats for up to a few months on YT. He didnt seem out of the ordinary on this community, though.

It just makes me feel sick, I guess, to know I talked to someone who attempted to commit a mass murder. I haven't read any articles, but I assume that's what he was going for not just 3 people. I had talked to him a little bit here about Columbine in general. I wouldn't have considered him a friend, just acquaintance. Still eerie.

Really, it makes me really sick just to think about it. I knew his very well from this place. I never knew that he would actually do this type of thing to other people...

I mean obviously it is a little bit off this whole ghost thing he created and believed was real even to the extent of claiming to have a crush on one of the ghosts he created. I didn't know that until just now reading another thread, but that would clarify as off in my books.

hvernon wrote:

It just makes me feel sick, I guess, to know I talked to someone who attempted to commit a mass murder. I haven't read any articles, but I assume that's what he was going for not just 3 people. I had talked to him a little bit here about Columbine in general. I wouldn't have considered him a friend, just acquaintance. Still eerie.

Yeah back in the 2000s I had a lot of contacts, some that I still talk with in the 2010s. One of them just so happened to be a major criminal, way worse than what this guy ended up doing. When I found out I was his buddy for like a decade, I literally threw up and could barely eat for a month. He never acted out of the ordinary, aside from a few rare short outbursts of drama or whatever.

Don't blame yourself, blame the killer for what he did.

Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter

If whoever is reading this needs help, you don't need to even see a shrink, just talk to someone you can trust and pour your heart out for some compassion and acceptance. Going postal is no way to solve your problems, it's just going to make society make fun of and tear you apart even more.

You guys probably arent' violent at all. I'm just predicting the fact that there's literally probably 2-3 future murderers lurking this site a little bit every month.

If you find someone who is violent or very out there.. Cut any ties you have with them and avoid them like the plague. Don't get involved in any way with walking red flags.

There's a lot of work to be done to build up the truth about the Stair guy, but his old (9000 subs) main youtube seemed pretty normal. His other one with all the cartoons was obviously bizarre. Apparently a lot of DA users were alarmed by him, which is saying something as sites like DA and Tumblr are very toxic at this point.

But yeah even if you know a criminal (which most people in the world are inevitably going to) doesn't mean you have any responsibility for their actions. Don't kick yourself over this at all.

This shocked me, I knew him from this forum pretty well. and suddenly, he's gone.
Is this how Eric and Dylan friends felt when both died? this weird feeling that when somebody was there, he's now gone from fury, and some gunshots.

FIBAgent wrote:

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

sscc wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I would also be interested in this.

abstractsmigs wrote:

sscc wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I would also be interested in this.

Yeah, I was thinking that it may be worth starting a thread in the Sandy Hook subforum if you're willing to do that, @FIBAgent. I would actually also be interested in hearing about Weise if you have the time. If you have credible information from people who knew the shooters, then I am sure that there are others who would also like to hear it.

Damn I didn't know he was well known I made a joke about the guy in a different thread, I'm sorry to hear about this, but it does make me think twice about who's here, gotta admit that.

Am I the only one who feels the need to download and preserve everything he uploaded before it's lost or the quality downgraded? I mean like how many other killers documented EVERYTHING they did and in how many cases was it ALL available and not censored?

What a sad little queef. The fanboy vibe is strong with this one. Tries to produce similar types of content as E/D (shooting videos, videos discussing plans, goodbyes to parents; journals), carves female names into the sides of his shotguns, kisses them on camera. He oozes unwarranted self importance. Talks about how he wants it to be on surveillance camera so everyone can see it.

261 followers on twitter dropped the ball.

I apologize if this is viewed as out of line but I am livid and disgusted by this pathetic display. I have been amazed by the level of intelligent discourse that occurs here, and yet this pleb mars it.

My thoughts are with the families that have been affected. I almost don't even want to consider this kid anymore because it's giving him exactly the kind of attention that he wanted. I hope that all the ignorant fangirls never even notice the connection, so he doesn't get added to their shrines.

Sokushinbutsu wrote:

I almost don't even want to consider this kid anymore because it's giving him exactly the kind of attention that he wanted.

He'll most likely be remembered as a pathetic loser obsessed with a children s show.In my opinion being remembered as that is worse than not being remembered at all.

Sokushinbutsu wrote:

I hope that all the ignorant fangirls never even notice the connection, so he doesn't get added to their shrines.

I doubt he'll get any fangirls. The attack itself was really generic, and with a lowkill count at that, he'll probably fade into obscurity. He'll probably be passed up for someone who gets more lasting media attention by the fangirls.

STK wrote:

He'll most likely be remembered as a pathetic loser obsessed with a children s show.In my opinion being remembered as that is worse than not being remembered at all.

Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.

Sokushinbutsu wrote:

Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.

The murders this loser committed are no laughing matter, but the guy himself and his weird-ass obsession with kids cartoons should be. If we keep HIM a laughing matter, while respecting and remembering his victims, that denies him what he ultimately wanted to achieve.

STK wrote:

Sokushinbutsu wrote:

Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.

The murders this loser committed are no laughing matter, but the guy himself and his weird-ass obsession with kids cartoons should be. If we keep HIM a laughing matter, while respecting and remembering his victims, that denies him what he ultimately wanted to achieve.

Easy day. Just watch his "final video". Beats every cringe compilation I've seen in recent history.

Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...

knightzero wrote:

Easy day. Just watch his "final video". Beats every cringe compilation I've seen in recent history.

Draw_It_White wrote:

Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...

You guys are on fire.

sscc wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I'm not naming names, but I traded stories with a guy who knew Lanza and we compared our data and experience about the criminals. Most of what we discussed were the personalities of the killers we knew. Lanza, like most who investigated him by now would know, was collected, highly intelligent, weird, and a little off. The usual with most school shooters. Lanza expressed a few macabre talking points before, but nothing enough to make my contact want to report him or anything. For all anyone knows, I could be bullshitting or I could be telling the truth, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

Most real criminals kind of try not to raise alarms, if someone was gonna rob a bank they wouldnt visit it and leave a note saying "Hey, I'm going to rob you guys at 8:30 PM tomorrow just fyi" you know

Some of the tweets were really obvious. He had a few strings of them together that were pro-Columbine.

This is really local to me. Less than an hour. Very little going on where he was, seems pretty sheltered which may have contributed to the odd target. Its a pretty hokey store chain.

Some people are blaming me and saying that I am partially responsible for what Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair did because I own this forum. One person, in particular, decided to message me and then block me on the Columbine Facebook page. Basically saying that the Columbine community and I enabled him and that if I would have looked at what he was doing online, I would have known what he was up to.

And like I said on Facebook, what he did on Twitter and YouTube has nothing to do with me. When it comes to the things these people talk about, I am responsible for what is posted on this forum and on the Facebook page. I do not go searching all over the internet to see what people do and say on other websites. As of today, 3,530 members have come and gone over the past 4 years. Anyone who thinks I would sit around spending all my times looking up each and every single person who joins here is just ridiculous to think that. Running this forum and the Facebook page take up enough of my time already. Twitter and YouTube are responsible for what they allowed him to continuously post and not take it down and report him. He never acted like that here because he knew I wouldn't have it.

This here is a screenshot of a conversation that happened between him and Strychnine back in May. This has been removed from the main board and into a private section of the forum. And the reason it was removed was because of what Strychnine had posted, not what EGSandrew posted.  

This was the extent of any problems that I had with him why he was here on the forum. And this post sounds no different than to anyone else who has shown dislike for other people on the forum. He never caused any problems at all. He never broke any forum rules. When he private messaged me asking for the suicide photo (I still have the PM and I will post that as well) he was nice and respectful towards me. He was respectful towards everyone else here on the forum as well. In fact, a few hours before he went and killed people he was responding to members on the forum with the same kind of attitude he's always had here.

Whether people believe me or not, I am sorry that a member from this forum went and did this. I feel terrible about it but there honestly was nothing in his behavior on this forum to make me think he was going to end up being a murderer.

Blaming people in a position of pseudo-authority on a forum that a killer utilized is the same sort of knee-jerk reaction we see Sue Klebold describing in her recent book about her experiences following Columbine. Blaming an admin who takes obvious and lengthy measures to protect your identities is blatantly ignorant.

The blame here lies with the perpetrator and anybody close to him who actually had knowledge of his plot. I'm looking primarily at the vast amount of twitter and youtube followers who saw this guy posting about his murder plot since MAY and did/said nothing.

Stop and think before you go casting stones. That admin had as much warning as you did. Probably much less.

And this here is a screenshot of his profile showing that he sent only 1 private message during his time on the forum and the second screenshot is of the private message that he sent me. And with that, the screenshot I posted earlier and all of his posts that are public, this is the extent of what I knew about him.

Seriously wouldn't worry about it, Jenn. I haven't been here long but from what I can see you do a good job of running a very ununsual forum with a focus on keeping things (mostly) sane. I don't think anyone can legitimately accuse you of being anything but mindful of this sort of thing.

knightzero wrote:

Seriously wouldn't worry about it, Jenn. I haven't been here long but from what I can see you do a good job of running a very ununsual forum with a focus on keeping things (mostly) sane. I don't think anyone can legitimately accuse you of being anything but mindful of this sort of thing.

Thanks. Normally it doesn't bother me when people send me hate messages but this time is a little different because other people were murdered. And it's hard for me to just not worry about it when this guy was here for 6 months talking to people and acting like he was just some normal guy interested in Columbine when in reality, he was planning his massacre the whole time.

So I wanted to put it out there everything I knew about him and what I posted in this thread is it. And it's the victims and their families that I'm upset about, not some idiot hater over on Facebook. I'm not trying to make this about me though so this is the last post I'm going to make about the subject. I've posted everything I have in regards to it and I've said all I needed to both here and on Facebook.

Jenn, please don't beat yourself up over this. You own this Forum, but that doesn't make you responsible for what any one person chooses to do. From what I have seen he never posted any crazy stuff on here, only his other forms of social media. I have no doubt that if you had been aware of his plans, or if you even suspected something was off that you would have reported him. The very idea of someone blaming you for this random strangers actions is beyond ridiculous.