Forum member who committed murder/suicide.

People are always looking for someone to blame. I feel bad for his parents.

Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.

FIBAgent wrote:

Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.

I don't mind you using my forum to gather information for your article on Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair over on "Encyclopedia Dramatica" but I don't appreciate you referring to me as a "disturbed fuck" on your website. I don't sit here on my website calling you a "disturbed fuck" for creating all these articles where you are calling mass murderers "heroes" and making jokes out of all these school shootings. I'd appreciate if you removed the derogatory comment about me from your website. Thank you.

Jenn wrote:

Whether people believe me or not, I am sorry that a member from this forum went and did this. I feel terrible about it but there honestly was nothing in his behavior on this forum to make me think he was going to end up being a murderer.

You shouldn't HAVE to apologize for what that guy did. I really question the intelligence of the people who put the blame on you.
Just know that I and I'm sure, many of the people on this forum, know and understand that you have no connection to this.
Sheep have a big mouth on the internet or in the comfort of their own homes and like to bark loud about something they don't understand.

Jenn wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.

I don't mind you using my forum to gather information for your article on Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair over on "Encyclopedia Dramatica" but I don't appreciate you referring to me as a "disturbed fuck" on your website. I don't sit here on my website calling you a "disturbed fuck" for creating all these articles where you are calling mass murderers "heroes" and making jokes out of all these school shootings. I'd appreciate if you removed the derogatory comment about me from your website. Thank you.

There have been 7 users to contribute to that article so far, many of which have likely scanned this forum for information. Just because of my contributions to ED doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. I changed the segment written about this forum and any slander regarding to you around. Like I said, there's quite a few people working on that article at the same time, with a few teenagers so you know what that's gonna mean.

The article wasn't originally written by me but was a project another ED user I'm familiar with decided to do several hours before I learned of the incident. I am indeed in the process of re-writing people's stuff to be more sophisticated, and expanding that article, but I sincerely apologize if you took offense as you seem cool.

The role of ED is usually to insult and make light whatever subject is being written about, usually to shock and offend the masses and provide humor to those with a darker sense of humor. However, many of us users want to use the site (since it's about free speech ultima) to create legit sources of information instead of just slander pieces on obscure random people.

Most of our articles on mass murderers are usually about insulting the shooters while trying to trigger the average joe at the same time but I usually want to provide as much authentic evidence and information for any article I find as possible so that info doesn't get lost to time.

However, wikipedia is usually a mediocre resource on a shooter as they often censor or redact a lot of information (Look at how the wiki article on Jeff Weise is now) regarding to their online trail, etc. ED has practically no censorship aside from legit illegal content.

Again, any slander against the community here should be getting cleaned up, sorry for any offense.

YEAH. I watched his dATA DUMP. this IS HORRIBLE

Draw_It_White wrote:

Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...

YOU KNOW WHAT? i JUST WATCHED THE CURRENT DATA DUMP AND THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ILL, AND THIS IS JUST A SAD AND HORRIBLE SITUATION.
IF PEOPLE SAW E&D LIKE THAT, I FIGURE LESS COPYCATS TOOL. OH THE JEFFCO CENSORSHIP.

this guy was really lame, he made a huge manifesto for his boring char

I am slowly trying to watch his videos, but I fear it will take some time. His awkwardness jumps out at you. I can only force myself to watch so much at a time. In my opinion he created a imaginary world and that's where he felt normal. Then he lost what little grip he had on reality.  The video of him practice shooting was almost funny. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn as old sayings go. The guy had serious issues, no doubt about it.  Plus he seemed to be obsessed with Eric Harris and just Columbine in general. His videos play like awful parodies.

The quality of everything he uploaded is insane.

sitnwatchitburn wrote:

The quality of everything he uploaded is insane.

That is one thing that I have learned from what I have seen thus far. He wanted everything to be meticulously perfect and seemed quite pissed when certain aspects of his videos were not shaping up to what he had envisioned. The sheer volume of material he left behind is just mind boggling.

He should've downscaled his images and videos not to be so huge in filesize.

It's going to take hundreds of man hours to go through all of the content he left behind.

I've watched a few of this guy's videos from his Suicide Tapes collection, but there's no way I can continue watching because everything is 1+ hour and very long winded. As some others mentioned, this is almost a good case for the release of the Basement Tapes, because any mystery this guy might have had is wiped out with his meticulous videos. You really get to see his personality traits clearly and it's apparent he was suffering a mental illness on multiple levels. The more videos one watches of this guy, the less interesting he becomes. I have a strong feeling that were Eric and Dylan self-documented to this extent, they would have a minuscule following because the ridiculousness of their plight would be shown.

As an example of this, there's a video among the collection where he's driving in a car. Pretty soon after it starts, he begins profusely complaining about potholes in the street, yelling and raging so hard you think they're the reason he's going to kill himself. This shifts onto other topics with a similar amount of hatred over pretty trivial things for the next hour. This whole scene sounds familiar to the leaked audio of the basement tapes, and Randy/Andrew sounds like a huge whiner with preschool level anger management.

It is quite interesting that he developed a Nickolodeon-themed cartoon goddess he dedicated himself to... but apart from that, everything else is quite cringy. Reaction videos to his own 25+ minute videos, commentated videos, and all of these with views hardly above the double digits (at least for now). It was clear he was really stuck inside his own mind and most likely narcissistic.

All the anger and obnoxious screaming about everything reminds me of McJuggerNuggets and I cannot stand that guy. For the longest time YouTube would notify me every time he uploaded a video and I have no idea why because I can't stand him and I was never subscribed to him.

human_abstract wrote:

I've watched a few of this guy's videos from his Suicide Tapes collection, but there's no way I can continue watching because everything is 1+ hour and very long winded. As some others mentioned, this is almost a good case for the release of the Basement Tapes, because any mystery this guy might have had is wiped out with his meticulous videos. You really get to see his personality traits clearly and it's apparent he was suffering a mental illness on multiple levels. The more videos one watches of this guy, the less interesting he becomes. I have a strong feeling that were Eric and Dylan self-documented to this extent, they would have a minuscule following because the ridiculousness of their plight would be shown.

As an example of this, there's a video among the collection where he's driving in a car. Pretty soon after it starts, he begins profusely complaining about potholes in the street, yelling and raging so hard you think they're the reason he's going to kill himself. This shifts onto other topics with a similar amount of hatred over pretty trivial things for the next hour.

It sounds like many here aren't that respectful towards him anyway so I hope no one thinks it's inappropriate for discussion, but what mental illnesses do you think he suffered from? I know it's kinda awful behavior judging someone and sticking labels on them but that's probably what the criminal psychologists will do soon anyway. I heard he might've had autism and schizophrenia somwhere. From how you describe his suicide tapes it sounds like he was expecting people to scour through his youtube videos and think every little rant he had was something prophetic. That or he just had anger issues and lacked the self-awareness not to upload it or just did not care.

reading a few of his posts they didn't read crazy or even autistic, but then I wouldn't know any tell-tale signs. One post that caught my attention - "I'm glad I wasn't sucked into Columbine when I was in high school. I have no idea what would be going through my head." Nothing really to say about it just interesting.

He only joined this forum 6 months ago. Are his suicide tapes all since then? Wouldn't be surprised if it all rapidly progressed from as soon he started idolizing mass shooters (assuming he did).

harrys wrote:

From how you describe his suicide tapes it sounds like he was expecting people to scour through his youtube videos and think every little rant he had was something prophetic.

He was probably expecting that because it's extremely common for people to "scour" things left behind by famous killers. This forum alone is proof enough of that.

So he's got a name now. The Danny Fantom killer.

In the first segment of Stairs suicide tapes that Jenn has uploaded on Youtube, he had a set date of May 7, 2019. I wonder why he jumped the gun? As I can only wade thru so much of his ramblings at a time, has anyone gotten farther in and discovered why he didn't stick with his original date?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

In the first segment of Stairs suicide tapes that Jenn has uploaded on Youtube, he had a set date of May 7, 2019. I wonder why he jumped the gun? As I can only wade thru so much of his ramblings at a time, has anyone gotten farther in and discovered why he didn't stick with his original date?

He mentioned several dates, in his journals there is mention of dates in June and September as well.

harrys wrote:

human_abstract wrote:

I've watched a few of this guy's videos from his Suicide Tapes collection, but there's no way I can continue watching because everything is 1+ hour and very long winded. As some others mentioned, this is almost a good case for the release of the Basement Tapes, because any mystery this guy might have had is wiped out with his meticulous videos. You really get to see his personality traits clearly and it's apparent he was suffering a mental illness on multiple levels. The more videos one watches of this guy, the less interesting he becomes. I have a strong feeling that were Eric and Dylan self-documented to this extent, they would have a minuscule following because the ridiculousness of their plight would be shown.

As an example of this, there's a video among the collection where he's driving in a car. Pretty soon after it starts, he begins profusely complaining about potholes in the street, yelling and raging so hard you think they're the reason he's going to kill himself. This shifts onto other topics with a similar amount of hatred over pretty trivial things for the next hour.

It sounds like many here aren't that respectful towards him anyway so I hope no one thinks it's inappropriate for discussion, but what mental illnesses do you think he suffered from? I know it's kinda awful behavior judging someone and sticking labels on them but that's probably what the criminal psychologists will do soon anyway. I heard he might've had autism and schizophrenia somwhere. From how you describe his suicide tapes it sounds like he was expecting people to scour through his youtube videos and think every little rant he had was something prophetic. That or he just had anger issues and lacked the self-awareness not to upload it or just did not care.

reading a few of his posts they didn't read crazy or even autistic, but then I wouldn't know any tell-tale signs. One post that caught my attention - "I'm glad I wasn't sucked into Columbine when I was in high school. I have no idea what would be going through my head." Nothing really to say about it just interesting.

He only joined this forum 6 months ago. Are his suicide tapes all since then? Wouldn't be surprised if it all rapidly progressed from as soon he started idolizing mass shooters (assuming he did).

(completely amateur, post-mortem diagnosis incoming)

That's a good question, there's certainly something involving gender identity in there, as he believed he was a woman in a man's body, but not attracted to men. He mentioned in one of the recordings that he hates gay people and was relieved when he realized he wasn't gay. Also his creation of his 'goddess' plays into this. Whether he's attracted to her or just views her as his personal deity is unclear. Of course, this could all be symptoms of a larger illness.

I agree that he doesn't seem to exhibit autistic traits, although he could have some degree of Asperger's but I don't think that by itself factors into it too much. He desperately wanted friendship but didn't do anything about it. The first of his recordings he admits this, but later on shifts the blame to others. In his early uploaded videos where he was a young teenager, he's seen with a number of other friends interacting normally. Overall, he does seem to understand social norms well enough but perhaps fell off the grid after high school / college when everybody moved away or got involved in other things. He's from a town with a population of 2,000 so it would be easy enough to lose social ties during this time. A persecution complex developed alongside this, blaming others for his own inaction in a way similar to Eric and Dylan. I feel like he had some similar issues to Dylan, who references the 'halcyon' in a way Randy references his cartoon goddess. So perhaps going into schizotypal territory there? I don't feel like he had schizophrenia though.

Without getting too lengthy, I think he started off with a relatively minor set of issues that snowballed once he lost his social ties. He chose to work the night shift at work which made it worse, since in his leisure time he was in his house alone all day. This gave him the chance to explore and expand these issues without intervention. He got more and more 'stuck in his own mind' so to speak. His lack of YouTube fame frustrated him further, as it was his only source of interacting with others at the point. His videos mostly had between 0-200 views which is basically nothing. He had a fair amount of potential with it but his content was just not humorous / too long and boring / specific to him instead of a wider audience. In his recording to his parents, he mentioned the myriad warning signs and times when they could have intervened, so he wanted help but was unable to express it properly.

Edit: I should note that this is what I've gathered in an attempt to see through the various 'deep meanings' he attempted to convey. He wants his viewers to go deep into the rabbit hole on this one, but with his insane amount of material I'm not going to go through and watch / listen to everything he made. Plus, he was pretty annoying about the whole thing and I don't want to give him any satisfaction from the grave.

Based on what I have seen so far, this reminds me of Randy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_prone_personality

Has anyone watched this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EbBprs39I

@Jenn what's your youtube channel?

human_abstract wrote:

As an example of this, there's a video among the collection where he's driving in a car. Pretty soon after it starts, he begins profusely complaining about potholes in the street, yelling and raging so hard you think they're the reason he's going to kill himself. This shifts onto other topics with a similar amount of hatred over pretty trivial things for the next hour. This whole scene sounds familiar to the leaked audio of the basement tapes, and Randy/Andrew sounds like a huge whiner with preschool level anger management.

Haha, now, I'm not trying to defend him but I'm from his area and I've also been all around the US.  The potholes in his area are on a whole other level than anywhere else.  

When I first got a car I ruined two tires in like a 2-3 mile stretch of the main street in one of the main cities. There's parking both sides and oncoming traffic so there is nowhere to swerve. You have to hit the potholes. I raged pretty hard and ended up getting some guys at a closed gas station to sell me any kind of tire that wasn't completely busted (I only had 1 spare). They were like "uh,we're closed" but I just kept going on about the roads and eventually scored something from out back.

Its going back a ways, maybe a decade or more but at one point the interstate highways here were ranked 3rd last in the nation. Some of the local roads are so bad they'd be better off not paved - at least the entire tire wouldn't drop down into a hole.

[quote="AestheticDeath"]

human_abstract wrote:

As an example of this, there's a video among the collection where he's driving in a car. Pretty soon after it starts, he begins profusely complaining about potholes in the street, yelling and raging so hard you think they're the reason he's going to kill himself. This shifts onto other topics with a similar amount of hatred over pretty trivial things for the next hour. This whole scene sounds familiar to the leaked audio of the basement tapes, and Randy/Andrew sounds like a huge whiner with preschool level anger management.

 



I hail from an area that borders two states. Virginia and Tennessee. The road I live on switches back and forth between the states two times in just a four mile stretch. It's what we call a "No mans land" meaning neither state really maintains the roads. Our potholes are legendary.  I have raged and ranted over them several times myself.

For someone who appeared sensitively affected by the death of people, I kept thinking how could he lead himself to justifying murdering those innocent people he was working with. In his own rational way, he choose a coin flip to decide if he died in his room or at work. I wished he left innocent people out of his plans.

Looks like his archive has finally been taken down, glad I saved some of it. I wonder what took them so long? I guess the powers-that-be were busy saving content themselves. I wonder if the sheer amount of content was deliberate on his part? I only really interested in the psychology of it all, I don't wish to give him any fame (what he wanted). I didn't get to watch his final video as it was hosted on youtube and it seems to have been taken down. 

@Jenn would it be possible to merge the other thread about this with this one or vice-versa?

What a sad news.
But not really surprising.
Another kid searching for attention, probably rejected, not strong enough.

I think is one of the major issue about Columbine.
By hiding during so long clues and proofs, JeffCo has literaly make of this case a myth for many people.

By not knowing, people imagine and idealize what was the reality of E&D motivations.

philosopher_king wrote:

For someone who appeared sensitively affected by the death of people, I kept thinking how could he lead himself to justifying murdering those innocent people he was working with. In his own rational way, he choose a coin flip to decide if he died in his room or at work. I wished he left innocent people out of his plans.

I don't believe there was ever a possibility he was going to kill himself in his room. If he'd have done that, nobody would have watched all that shite he's recorded. The only way for people to really take note was to kill a bunch of people first. For a start, we wouldn't all be talking about him now. I doubt I'd even have noticed if he stopped posting on here. I know he had quite a few people follow his channel, but not very many could have watched much of his stuff else something might have been done before this happened.

FrenchObserver wrote:

What a sad news.
But not really surprising.
Another kid searching for attention, probably rejected, not strong enough.

I think is one of the major issue about Columbine.
By hiding during so long clues and proofs, JeffCo has literaly make of this case a myth for many people.

By not knowing, people imagine and idealize what was the reality of E&D motivations.

I agree 100% with you! Jeffco's actions regarding the shooting its self then the following investigation is what caught my attention. Considering they "misplaced" paper work filed by the Brown's that may have stopped E&D in their tracks, then blatantly lied about it to cover their own ass. Apparently missed the video evidence of Eric and Dylan actually planting the Cafeteria bombs, that was then found many years later by arm chair detectives. It really makes you think what else they missed, or merely just covered up. I think its safe to say everyone involved with the case dropped the ball then kicked that bitch all over the place.

this is a fucking mess, and to think of there could be more people right here planning of doing the same. here's a video of him I found on liveleak https://www . liveleak . com/view?i=126_1497315955

philosopher_king wrote:

For someone who appeared sensitively affected by the death of people, I kept thinking how could he lead himself to justifying murdering those innocent people he was working with. In his own rational way, he choose a coin flip to decide if he died in his room or at work. I wished he left innocent people out of his plans.

my thoughts as well, frustrating when they take down innocent people.

Is this the most the most "Columbine" inspired suicide/murder? The actual killings weren't school related, but the prep seems to showcase more Columbine mirroring than anything I can remember.

Fatheroftwo wrote:

philosopher_king wrote:

For someone who appeared sensitively affected by the death of people, I kept thinking how could he lead himself to justifying murdering those innocent people he was working with. In his own rational way, he choose a coin flip to decide if he died in his room or at work. I wished he left innocent people out of his plans.

my thoughts as well, frustrating when they take down innocent people.  

Is this the most the most "Columbine" inspired suicide/murder?  The actual killings weren't school related, but the prep seems to showcase more Columbine mirroring than anything I can remember.

Yea, I think so and the only reason I think it wasn't at a school is because the shooter was in his mid 20s. He had already finished high school and college.

For anyone looking for the suicide tapes on my channel, I took them down. I'm not willing to risk losing my channel over them. I will try to re-upload them to another channel though. It's gonna take a few days though.

Jenn wrote:

Yea, I think so and the only reason I think it wasn't at a school is because the shooter was in his mid 20s. He had already finished high school and college.

For anyone looking for the suicide tapes on my channel, I took them down. I'm not willing to risk losing my channel over them. I will try to re-upload them to another channel though. It's gonna take a few days though.

I'm not sure if this is the case as he said he was concerned with a shooting in the day someone either conceal or open carrying in his supermarket (Pennsylvania is a can issue state for CC licenses and also requires no license for open carry) . I'd also assume with he was concerned with potential school security staff or being disarmed in some way.

A single shooter is a lot easier to disable than multiple shooters making navigating corners without care a potential threat to the shooter. This is especially true with the pure concentration of people within a school and some areas of the building and someone with poor training in close quarters combat. Of course this is all highly hypothetical as there is a lot of different outcomes when you consider people reacting under a stressful situation, especially high school students.

I remember him mentioning in a video he had inspiration to make a school shooting at some point. Did he name any specific reasons why he end up doing it at his workplace?

Introvert wrote:

I remember him mentioning in a video he had inspiration to make a school shooting at some point. Did he name any specific reasons why he end up doing it at his workplace?

I'm not too sure as I've yet to fully investigate this however the reason it was done at night was because he knew only his co-workers would be there and the risk to him being apprehended or prematurely ending his spree was very low. I'd speculate that there's another reason why he picked his workplace instead of other potential "soft targets" so to speak. I do recall him saying he'd only be able to kill 3 people as an estimate though I'd chalk this up to the predicted low population of the store at the time. What I understand is he was trying to emulate at least part of the Columbine shooters though it doesn't appear he was going for a "high-score" at least on first glance.

good video, check it out.

[quote="Jenn"]

Fatheroftwo wrote:

For anyone looking for the suicide tapes on my channel, I took them down. I'm not willing to risk losing my channel over them. I will try to re-upload them to another channel though. It's gonna take a few days though.

Per email account, you can make 10 channels. One channel getting terminated wont take down your entire channels iirc.

If you validate an account with email I think you can make like 100 channels.

My suggestion: make another gmail account, use a phone to validate it, and make an alt army.

Very sad to hear Randy Stair was a poster here. My life has taken a major turn for the better over the past 6+ months and for the most part I've been away from researching mass shootings and Columbine. This case drew me back in though and a little research showed he was a part of this community.

I've always respected this board because of its maturity towards the subject of mass killings. All across the web there are people who glorify Eric, Dylan, and every other modern school shooter. This place on the other hand is filled with posters who (for the most part) take a sympathetic-yet-logical view of these situations. I've never seen a poster here that screamed "POTENTIAL THREAT", and that's what makes this place so important.

If anyone is having those kinds of feelings please seek help. If you really know you're shit on the subject then you know Eric and Dylan wasted their lives for nothing. They had friends and loved ones and bright futures in front of them.

I'm sorry to anyone this may have effected and I hope it doesn't bring unnecessary bullshit down on this place. It serves an important purpose and people like Stair are rare among the posters here.

I find it annoying and sad that some of the most dangerous mental conditions and mental states are so hidden. Like Paranoid Schizo, Depression etc.

If only it were that people were educated on Mental Health issues the same way we treat and educate Physical Health and First Aid.

Been going through some of the material he left behind. I seriously can't believe he hated his father for being mad at him for quitting his job, he was given so much, gave him his own autism cave where he could fap to his waifus, had a comfy night shift...just shows if you're mentally ill your quality of life doesn't even matter.

Wow, I've read up quite a bit on this case, had no idea he was a member of this forum! But I remember wondering if he was.

Phuc!

I think he suffered some sort of Brain damage after his car accident.

For anyone interested in listening to the entire suicide tape, I re-uploaded it here.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNKvzS-vBpXifDTHNzAh7lQ

Been watching his stuff and now I've been more and more interested in the minds of people who do these things. That's what brought me here. My condolences go out to all the families affected by this and his family as well. I couldn't imagine how they are dealing with this. Not only that but I do feel pity for Andrew. At time while watching his videos many of choices and actions seemed forced. As if he had built up this persona and couldn't back out of it. Throughout his house tour he sounds quite depressed almost to the point of tears. The whole time though he says things like "To bad I'll be gone." "I'm going to miss this place." And so on as if to convince himself that this is the only way. Mental illnesses are an awful thing.

TheSpiral wrote:

So he's got a name now. The Danny Fantom killer.

I've been referring to him as the "Ember Ender".

FIBAgent wrote:

good video, check it out.

Jenn wrote:

Fatheroftwo wrote:

For anyone looking for the suicide tapes on my channel, I took them down. I'm not willing to risk losing my channel over them. I will try to re-upload them to another channel though. It's gonna take a few days though.

Per email account, you can make 10 channels. One channel getting terminated wont take down your entire channels iirc.

If you validate an account with email I think you can make like 100 channels.

My suggestion: make another gmail account, use a phone to validate it, and make an alt army.

36:54 he goes on about his parents. What a little prick, common theme in his life: it's always someone else's fault

Fatheroftwo wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

good video, check it out.

Jenn wrote:

Fatheroftwo wrote:

For anyone looking for the suicide tapes on my channel, I took them down. I'm not willing to risk losing my channel over them. I will try to re-upload them to another channel though. It's gonna take a few days though.

Per email account, you can make 10 channels. One channel getting terminated wont take down your entire channels iirc.

If you validate an account with email I think you can make like 100 channels.

My suggestion: make another gmail account, use a phone to validate it, and make an alt army.

36:54 he goes on about his parents.  What a little prick, common theme in his life: it's always someone else's fault

Shame on his father, wanting his son to be happy and successful. How dare he?!

I remember before joining seeing him post here and thought his avatar was a bit odd but other than that he seemed fine....creepy.

Wow... so surprised and saddened to hear this. So sad that life ended this way for another 4 people. Peace to all who died and peace to the ones left behind who loved them.A great void has opened in their lives and they have a years long road of sorrow to travel.

i think his account is still up here.