The small questions thread

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thedragonrampant wrote:

Didn't Dylan use Eric's planner to write down NBK-related things in 98-99? Might just be he didn't really use the planner much outside of what it was meant for in the first place or something, although it is a little peculiar they'd include the one from a previous year..   Is this one of those things where JeffCo suffered from selective 'hearing' again? Wouldn't put it past them to have missed a few scraps of seemingly unimportant things that might speak volumes about something important..

Dylan did use Eric's planner to jot down NBK notes. He made one of his most interesting notes, imo, in Eric's planner, when he wrote a list of things to get/do for NBK and then wrote: "Death (Afraid?)" right next to the list.

I think this offers good insight into Dylan's personality. He's compartmentalizing tasks, including the most onerous and urgent task of all: facing personal mortality, as though he's just jotting down the usual casual notes someone would normally write in their day-planner. Also that he's using Eric's day-planner reinforces the idea that the two boys were as committed to erasing (losing) their individual personalities through one another as they were in following through with NBK.

Is it really Dylan who wrote Death (Afraid)?

It's his handwriting.

Yes, most definitely, Dylan's handwriting. I'd love to do handwriting anaylsis on the two, actually. Such distinctly different styles. I think I could already take a stab at their signatures without being a pro. heh.

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InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Hm. I vaguely recall seeing those.   Calence sold dylanklebold.com a couple of months ago and he hadn't update anything on his site in quite a while.

Do you have a way I can contact him? He may be able to provide me with said documents.

PM me.

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Does anyone know where I could find the so called 'autopsy diagrams' that Randy Brown supposedly gave Calence (the guy who runs dylanklebold.com)?

Calence had them on his website at some point but I cant find them there anymore.

What are ''autopsy diagrams''? Are these drawings of the autopsy bodies with their wounds?

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What are ''autopsy diagrams''? Are these drawings of the autopsy bodies with their wounds?

Exactly. Somehow Randy Brown came upon the diagrams of about four victims (Rachel and Dave Sanders are the only two I can remember for sure), and they were sent to Calence.

I read ages ago on an older Columbine forum that the diagram for Rachel specifically had evidence to suggest that she was shot through the head at a distance, and not point blank as per her family regularly claim.

I want to see for myself these diagrams. Hopefully there are still out there somewhere!

Is someone obsessed with blowing things up with explosives the same as a pyromaniac?

Do you think Eric and Dylan were pyromaniacs because they were obsessed with bombs, fireworks?

In psychological classifications, do you know if both people obsessed with explosives and those with lightning fires are classified the same? (For those who know anything about psychological pathologies).

Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris...

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Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris...

There are clips of the call from Wayne Harris on Youtube. I never heard one from Tom Klebold though.

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carrie12 wrote:

Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris...

There are clips of the call from Wayne Harris on Youtube. I never heard one from Tom Klebold though.

But he did call the police. But I can't remember if it was somewhere on the internet. But there is a transcript/description somewhere

Does anybody have a link to either the audio or the transcript?

Was this when he called the police after being evacuated from his house? I think he called trying to get Sue's suitcase she left at the house and they refused him it.

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Does anybody have a link to either the audio or the transcript?

Bits from Bowling For Columbine:
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Wayne Harris calls around the 2:35ish mark. The subtitles in the video here miss out the odd bit of dialogue.

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W.H: "Er, my son is Eric Harris, and I'm afraid that he might be involved in the shooting at Columbine high school."

911: "Involved how?"

W.H: "Er, he's a member of what they're calling the Trenchcoat Mafia."

911: "Have you spoken with your son today Mr. Harris?"

W.H: "No I haven't! Have they picked up anybody yet or....?"

911: "They're still looking for suspects. Your son is with who what gang?"

911: "Well, they're calling them the Trenchcoat Mafia I just heard that term on TV."

This call here lasts for just under 30 seconds. If you look at the 911 call log it has Mr Harris calling in at 13:04:58 - 13:05:52 pg(15925) That most commonly played clip doesn't match up to the duration of the entire call. You can listen to the full 911 recordings online here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] However i don't believe they include the Wayne Harris call. I'm not sure if the 911 Recordings you can purchase from JeffCo would include this call or if they would only include what we can download / listen to already online.

I always feel so awful listening to that call and especially bad for the man who calls in before Mr Harris (on this clip) asking about his daughter.

The 911 call is briefly mentioned here which some may find interesting:
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This is a pretty interesting article here regarding the Wayne Harris call and when Tom Klebold later called in:
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From this article:

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A short time later on the tapes, Tom Klebold calls in. The issue is not serious, but the way he is treated is telling.

"This is Tom Klebold," he says. "They just kicked us out of our house a little while ago. And my wife left her suitcase there."

The dispatcher checks in with another official and is dismissive of Klebold in a call with another officer.

"His wife left a suitcase at his house, and since he (the officer) forced him out of the house, he wants the suitcase NOW," the dispatcher says.

"OK, well, he can't have it," the official replies.

"I just figured I'll have you call him back," the dispatcher says. "He's not a very friendly guy."

Klebold, however, sounded calm and levelheaded throughout the call.

Thanks for the info, everybody! I just checked some of the 911 calls on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and Tom Klebold's call is included in Tape 21, if anybody is interested to hear it (it's around 5:20).

Why was nothing done after Dylan slapped his manager? He wasn't fired for that and she never made a police report, from what I heard.

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Why was nothing done after Dylan slapped his manager? He wasn't fired for that and she never made a police report, from what I heard.

It wasn't his manager, it was a co-worker (i assume a supervisor) who claimed that this happened. She worked at the store between September 96 - March 99.

M.H "described Dylan as a difficult person who was often rude. She said that he hit her once because she had counseled him on an infraction at work." pg(10150) She describes E/D as "good friends" and appears to know quite a bit about them. M.H only seems to have been interviewed over two pages pg(10150 - 1) and the information she provided is recorded in a numbered list. She does not elaborate on the hitting incident any further.

If indeed he did "hit" his co-worker it is quite shocking that he would not have been at the very least reprimanded for it. However Blackjack employees seemed to be aware of many other questionable incidents that E/D were involved in at the store and neither got fired for it. It doesn't sound to me like Blackjack was that much of a serious working environment.
This incident could have happened when B.Kirgis was the manager:
"Kirgis admitted to this reporting supervisor that he is an alcoholic, and at times he drank at work, and left Harris in charge while he left the store for any reason." pg(10170) It was also reported Kirgis allowed E/D to play Doom at work. pg(10154) Also " Johnson stated that he had seen cocaine and marijuana at the Pizza store, while he had been working there. He stated that Kirgis seemed to be the person who brought the drugs into the store. He also said Kirgis told him that Harris and Klebold had set off a pipe bomb at the store." pg(10156)
If the hitting incident occurred around this time it's not really surprising nothing was done about it or that it wasn't reported. Perhaps M.H didn't feel anything would be done if she did report the incident. There could be many other reasons why she didn't report the incident. Likewise the reason Dylan did not get fired could have possibly been that nobody else knew.

Not that there is any excuse for this behavior, but i wonder what she meant by "hit," i only say that as i have seen others claim that Dylan slapped her across the face in the middle of the shop which just seems like an exaggerated account of what this girl actually said. It's unacceptable either way but i do wonder what the nature of the "hit" was.

(I had a brief glace at the Master Index and M.H does not seem to have been interviewed elsewhere in the documents).
There is another female interviewed in the "Tips" section with the same surname pg(13230) who says her bother and sister worked at Blackjack and they have both been interviewed. At a guess i would say this is M.H's sister, however she does not comment on the hitting and there seems to be no interview for the brother recorded in the Master Index. You'd think the brother may have had something to say if his sister had been "hit" by another guy at work. If anyone does find his interview anywhere it would be interesting to see if he mentions it, i only checked on the Master Index and there was no male with the same family surname, but of course he could have had a different surname.

Oh wow! Thanks queen!

Not a question, but didn't know where else to put this. Petition to release the Basement Tapes: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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I think this petition has been posted a couple of times on this site in various places.

queenfarooq wrote:

Marco1211 wrote:

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I think this petition has been posted a couple of times on this site in various places.

Oops, my mistake.

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They really should release these tapes. Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Tom Mauser, Brooks Brown, Rachel Scott, Craig Scott and Osama bin Laden all signed the petition. With so many people affected by the tragedy signing the petition, the tapes should be released!

Juicy Jazzy wrote:

Marco1211 wrote:

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They really should release these tapes. Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Tom Mauser, Brooks Brown, Rachel Scott, Craig Scott and Osama bin Laden all signed the petition. With so many people affected by the tragedy signing the petition, the tapes should be released!

George Bush and Frank DeAngelis did, too!

Could someone tell me where the gifs from this post are from?  Especially the one of Eric grabbing the girl.

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Could someone tell me where the gifs from this post are from?  Especially the one of Eric grabbing the girl.

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Most of them are from the "Eric in Columbine" video. The one of Eric and the girl is from that video "The Kidnapping" (I think that is what it is called) and the last one is from "Rampart Range".

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Could someone tell me where the gifs from this post are from?  Especially the one of Eric grabbing the girl.

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In the film 'Adopting Terror' is it the cafeteria picture that they use when showing a picture of some CCTV footage?

What is everyone's opinion of Columbine's principal, Mr. D?

Marco1211 wrote:

What is everyone's opinion of Columbine's principal, Mr. D?

Well, I admire Mr. DeAngelis. He stayed on the school after what happened and helped this one to be what it was before 04/20, he helped to recover the school spirit and look forward. I bet that not many principals would make what he did. I just wish that he could talk more about Eric and Dylan because after all, they were students of the school too but if he didnt in 15 years, I dont think that he would make it now retired.

Who is the pretty girl who was interviewed on the day of the shooting who was crying when describing what happened in the library?

Bree Pasquale?

if you mean the blonde with the piercing than it is Bree Pascal like JMD87 said.

Sorry I don't think it's Bree that I mean.

The girl in the below link who starts talking at 3:55.

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Yeah im pretty sure that is Bree.

I don't think that is Bree. I think Bree is the one with the eyebrow piercing who said she begged Eric not to shoot her because she had a family and was engaged to be married. Not sure what this girls name is though.

No, the blonde girl talking in that segment is not Bree Pasquale.

This is Bree Pasquale.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

Sorry I don't think it's Bree that I mean.

The girl in the below link who starts talking at 3:55.

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Bree was also my first thought when i saw you mention a girl been interviewed on TV who was a library witness. But I believe the girl you are referring to is Crystal Woodman.

She is also interviewed again here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Starting at 1:35.

Her 11k interview is pg(624 - 639) On pg(629) she mentions been interviewed for various TV shows.

Thanks, that's her.

Seems she does public speaking now.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

Thanks, that's her.

Seems she does public speaking now.

Yes I think she has done quite a bit of public speaking, she goes under the name Crystal Woodman Miller now. She also has a book out called 'Marked for Life - Choosing Hope And Discovering Purpose After Earth-Shattering Tragedy.'

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Thank you for putting that name to a face, queenfarooq.

I've read her name a few times throughout the years, but I had no idea she was that girl.

I think we should make a thread called "Ask queenfarooq" because she can answer just about any questions anyone may have!

I was just watching one of her talks on YouTube (Crystal's, not Queen's!) and found it a bit emotionless considering what she was talking about.

I appreciate that it's brave of her and she is trying to do good for the kids she's speaking to.

She spoke in a way a mother would tell her kid a bedtime story when reading from a book. Maybe she's given that speech too many times now.

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Jenn wrote:

I think we should make a thread called "Ask queenfarooq" because she can answer just about any questions anyone may have!

I completely agree! This forum is quite fortunate to have her here!

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

I was just watching one of her talks on YouTube (Crystal's, not Queen's!) and found it a bit emotionless considering what she was talking about.

I appreciate that it's brave of her and she is trying to do good for the kids she's speaking to.

She spoke in a way a mother would tell her kid a bedtime story when reading from a book. Maybe she's given that speech too many times now.

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Thank you for sharing this video, Radioactive_Clothing.

I understand what you mean by her tone and delivery; I have to agree that the reason for this is most likely excessive repetition.

It wouldn't be shocking to know that when she first started doing this it was intensely more emotional and less composed.

I've heard her say in two different interviews now that she claimed her table was the only one not shot at. There were many were there not?

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Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

I've heard her say in two different interviews now that she claimed her table was the only one not shot at. There were many were there not?

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I hope Yumeko-Chan (Amanda) can see this and give some more information about whether or not every other table had been shot at, even without causing any injuries. Because she was there, too. I do know that Yumeko/Amanda was next to people who were shot but survived.

tfsa47090 wrote:

Jenn wrote:

I think we should make a thread called "Ask queenfarooq" because she can answer just about any questions anyone may have!

I completely agree! This forum is quite fortunate to have her here!

Thank you very much, that's much appreciated.   

queenfarooq wrote:

tfsa47090 wrote:

Jenn wrote:

I think we should make a thread called "Ask queenfarooq" because she can answer just about any questions anyone may have!

I completely agree! This forum is quite fortunate to have her here!

Thank you very much, that's much appreciated.   

You're very welcome! The truth is the truth.   

Does anyone know (even if it's just a estimate) where Anne Marie was outside when she was shot? I know Zero Hour makes it seem like she was shot in the parking lot. But that documentary was obviously made when they were still in the early years of the investigation.

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Does anyone know (even if it's just a estimate) where Anne Marie was outside when she was shot? I know Zero Hour makes it seem like she was shot in the parking lot. But that documentary was obviously made when they were still in the early years of the investigation.

This here is a diagram that I posted awhile back on our Columbine Facebook page. This should give you a good idea where she was at when she was shot. And this is from official documents so it should be accurate.

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Jenn wrote:

paradisedreams wrote:

Does anyone know (even if it's just a estimate) where Anne Marie was outside when she was shot? I know Zero Hour makes it seem like she was shot in the parking lot. But that documentary was obviously made when they were still in the early years of the investigation.

This here is a diagram that I posted awhile back on our Columbine Facebook page. This should give you a good idea where she was at when she was shot. And this is from official documents so it should be accurate.

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Thank you.

Jenn wrote:

paradisedreams wrote:

Does anyone know (even if it's just a estimate) where Anne Marie was outside when she was shot? I know Zero Hour makes it seem like she was shot in the parking lot. But that documentary was obviously made when they were still in the early years of the investigation.

This here is a diagram that I posted awhile back on our Columbine Facebook page. This should give you a good idea where she was at when she was shot. And this is from official documents so it should be accurate.

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I've always wondered if this was a person, or if I was seeing stuff and it was just scattered backpacks?? Now it's clear that it actually is her when you see a better quality version of it.
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