The small questions thread

Anyone know who the kid under Brooks Brown and Zack Heckler is near the left top?
He sure seems like he hates the school from that expression.

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Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

lasttrain wrote:

Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

Or the kid who took a nasty dive over the CCTV when one of the crickets exploded near him?

out of all those people in that senior photo, 0 of them have been identified as a victim, right?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Yes, however, that photo alongside the proper-pose photo of the class photo we've seen floating around isn't the full complete picture. if you look properly it's been cropped at the side. IDK why it's been cropped, where the full one is and who provided the picture we've seen all the years in the first place.

liquorvamp wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Yes, however, that photo alongside the proper-pose photo of the class photo we've seen floating around isn't the full complete picture. if you look properly it's been cropped at the side. IDK why it's been cropped, where the full one is and who provided the picture we've seen all the years in the first place.

Good point. Was it perhaps cropped because Eric and Dylan's murdered and injured senior victims coincidentally all happened to be situated on the other side of the photo?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I really dk. maybe. got to be, right? which of the victims would have been in that photo? the slain athletes?

liquorvamp wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I really dk. maybe. got to be, right? which of the victims would have been in that photo? the slain athletes?

Isaiah Shoels and Lauren Townsend were both seniors. Nick Foss, Lisa Kreutz, Jeanna Park and Valeen Schnurr were seniors who were injured on 4/20.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ah yes of course, thank you. I forget that Matt nor Corey would be there.

Despite liking the outdoors, I don't believe Corey was an athlete. I've read that he used to wrestle but stopped in his sophmore year.

@bubs oh okay. matt was the one who played football for a bit too and was friends with Isaiah no?

That's correct.

slippy123 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

Or the kid who took a nasty dive over the CCTV when one of the crickets exploded near him?

If you are talking about the guy that did a barrel roll after leaping to the side. Thats Mr Frieson a teacher and he was hit by shrapnel in his leg. Im on my phone now or I would post a link.

Lizpuff wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

Or the kid who took a nasty dive over the CCTV when one of the crickets exploded near him?

If you are talking about the guy that did a barrel roll after leaping to the side. Thats Mr Frieson a teacher and he was hit by shrapnel in his leg.  Im on my phone now or I would post a link.

Could of been a teacher, I only saw the footage once or twice. I know he was Cory Friesons dad, who was close friends with Chris Morris, and hung out with Eric and Dylan here and there.

bubbles wrote:

liquorvamp wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Yes, however, that photo alongside the proper-pose photo of the class photo we've seen floating around isn't the full complete picture. if you look properly it's been cropped at the side. IDK why it's been cropped, where the full one is and who provided the picture we've seen all the years in the first place.

Good point. Was it perhaps cropped because Eric and Dylan's murdered and injured senior victims coincidentally all happened to be situated on the other side of the photo?

That is odd that the two seniors killed are somehow not in the senior photo...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that's because they may have been on the cropped out portion of the class photo that we have seen for years as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and I have discussed. that's not the full photo we're looking at

I get that, it's just an odd occurrence.

sororityalpha wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

slippy123 wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

Or the kid who took a nasty dive over the CCTV when one of the crickets exploded near him?

If you are talking about the guy that did a barrel roll after leaping to the side. Thats Mr Frieson a teacher and he was hit by shrapnel in his leg.  Im on my phone now or I would post a link.

It was Mr. Eric Kritzer (pages 003481-003486) who jumped/dove out of the way of the exploding pipe bomb - He was Eric's Philosophy Teacher.

Ah thats right i was mistaken. Lo siento

lasttrain wrote:

Does anyone have the names of the students who were in the cafeteria when Eric and Dylan were trying to set off the bombs?

One of them is Mary Campbell. She felt the fire bomb and claimed to be less than 5ft away from them at points

You can find her in the 11k on pg 2626

Dylan's trousers (pants) were black during the day, but for some reason many art and re-enactments seem to usually give him olive colored trousers (Columbinius, I'm Not Ashamed etc) I wonder why that is, probably because the CCTV footage shows his trousers being much lighter to his shirt, despite them being the same color.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - is there a great deal to see in Hungerford after Ryan's spree? I know there was some sort of plaque near the football ground. I've been meaning to get down again.

Now for a really small question: Has anyone ever actually had Blackjack Pizza? I bet it's probably shitty but hey, ya never know.

ThoughtBox wrote:

Now for a really small question: Has anyone ever actually had Blackjack Pizza? I bet it's probably shitty but hey, ya never know.

I have not.  But I think I would have been afraid to go there when Chris, Eric and Dylan worked there!  With Bob the owner being an alcoholic and "suspected" drug user, and a bunch of seemingly out of control teens involved you never know what you are going to get!

*Edit to say...we do order pizza from time to time and I guess I don't really know who makes it so...maybe we do order from those kinds of places. I was mostly meaning a walk in order I suppose

I deffy don't where I live. To me it doesn't sound like one of the most outstanding italian/pizza franchises around though.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "I have not. But I think I would have been afraid to go there when Chris, Eric and Dylan worked there! With Bob the owner being an alcoholic and "suspected" drug user, and a bunch of seemingly out of control teens involved you never know what you are going to get!" With all that you've described, I think I would WANT to be around a shady atmosphere such as that hahah. I would love to watch the way Eric flirts and waits on girls who come by the place.

Approximately when did Eric and Dylan start planning the attack? I've heard it was eight months ahead but I've also heard it was right after they got arrested so January 98.

aquillina wrote:

Approximately when did Eric and Dylan start planning the attack? I've heard it was eight months ahead but I've also heard it was right after they got arrested so January 98.

Hard to say for sure.

They stated they planned it for "over a year" on the 20 so that means prior to April 1998, they got the guns in Nov 1998, Eric and even moreso Dylan were writing about it over a year before...Dylan I think started in what ? 1997?

Does anybody know if Sue remained in contact with Eric's parents?

Kida wrote:

Does anybody know if Sue remained in contact with Eric's parents?

yes, occasionally.

I wonder if their brothers Byron and Kevin keep in touch or have spoken to one another at all. Found out they're the exact same age so that was quite a coincidence between the two

liquorvamp wrote:

I wonder if their brothers Byron and Kevin keep in touch or have spoken to one another at all. Found out they're the exact same age so that was quite a coincidence between the two

Yeah, I've always wondered about their brothers. They've managed to maintain a very low profile (which they have every right to), but I've always been curious as to what insight they had growing up with their brothers and what their feelings, thoughts and experiences were in the aftermath of what happened at Columbine.

Maybe Kevin's and Byron's kids have playdates together and they become best friends that actually last for life.

no i don´t think byron and kevin are friends. it is only a feeling. but like tom, byron doesn´t want to do anything with columbine.

"Dylan and Eric had also met in junior high school."
True or False?

Yes, they met at Ken Caryl Middle School


1993 August to ~December

Kevin in Grade 10 at Columbine High School

Eric/Dylan both in Grade 7 at Ken Caryl Middle School – Littleton, Colorado

*12-16-93 – At 12, Eric has Surgical Correction of Pectus Excavatum


1994 January to June

Kevin in Grade 10 at Columbine High School

Eric/Dylan both in Grade 7 at Ken Caryl Middle School – Littleton, Colorado

~April/May ’94 – Eric and Dylan become friends

*06-09-94 – At 13, Eric has a steel strut removed from the previous surgery

em81 wrote:

Kida wrote:

Does anybody know if Sue remained in contact with Eric's parents?

yes, occasionally.

Wonder how they feel about her putting most of the blame on him in her book?

PaintItBlack wrote:

em81 wrote:

Kida wrote:

Does anybody know if Sue remained in contact with Eric's parents?

yes, occasionally.

Wonder how they feel about her putting most of the blame on him in her book?

Im reading her book right now. Im disappointed. I read only half of it but I got a feeling that shes fooling herself or denies who the real Dylan was. She clearly believes that Eric was an undiagnosed psychopath. Her son was the one fooling everybody, Eric thoughts and plans were all over the place. She rearly mentions a "good side" of Eric. On the other hand for Dylan...


"Dylan’s depressiveness would not have turned into murderousness without Harris’s leadership, but
something in Eric might have lost motivation without the thrill of dragging Dylan down with
him."

"(In any case, because the adolescent brain is still
developing, a formal diagnosis of psychopathy is only possible after the subject turns
eighteen.) Even so, Eric certainly satisfies a great number of the diagnostic markers
associated with this personality disorder."

"Not every psychopath is a criminal or a sadist, but if they
do move in that direction, as Eric did, they can become highly dangerous."

"We know Eric was overwhelmingly persuasive. His Diversion counselor, dismissing him
early from the program, said at the end of her final report, “muy facile [sic] hombre,” which
my Spanish-speaking friends translate as an affectionate characterization along the lines of
“super-easy guy.” Eric’s perceived halo may have extended to Dylan, whose own grades
weren’t good enough to justify his early dismissal from Diversion. A number of the
psychologists I have spoken to have told me how scarily charismatic and charming
psychopaths can be—how quick they are to find the wedge, and how masterfully they work
the lever. I am not sure that Dylan, especially in an impaired state, was in a position to
extricate himself from that relationship."

He was so persuasive and charming every girl fell for him.

Kida wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

em81 wrote:

Kida wrote:

Does anybody know if Sue remained in contact with Eric's parents?

yes, occasionally.

Wonder how they feel about her putting most of the blame on him in her book?

Im reading her book right now. Im disappointed. I read only half of it but I got a feeling that shes fooling herself or denies who the real Dylan was. She clearly believes that Eric was an undiagnosed psychopath. Her son was the one fooling everybody, Eric thoughts and plans were all over the place. He rearly mentions a "good side" of Eric. On the other hand for Dylan...


"Dylan’s depressiveness would not have turned into murderousness without Harris’s leadership, but
something in Eric might have lost motivation without the thrill of dragging Dylan down with
him."

"(In any case, because the adolescent brain is still
developing, a formal diagnosis of psychopathy is only possible after the subject turns
eighteen.) Even so, Eric certainly satisfies a great number of the diagnostic markers
associated with this personality disorder."

"Not every psychopath is a criminal or a sadist, but if they
do move in that direction, as Eric did, they can become highly dangerous."

"We know Eric was overwhelmingly persuasive. His Diversion counselor, dismissing him
early from the program, said at the end of her final report, “muy facile [sic] hombre,” which
my Spanish-speaking friends translate as an affectionate characterization along the lines of
“super-easy guy.” Eric’s perceived halo may have extended to Dylan, whose own grades
weren’t good enough to justify his early dismissal from Diversion. A number of the
psychologists I have spoken to have told me how scarily charismatic and charming
psychopaths can be—how quick they are to find the wedge, and how masterfully they work
the lever. I am not sure that Dylan, especially in an impaired state, was in a position to
extricate himself from that relationship."

He was so persuasive and charming every girl fell for him.

Totally agreed.If you'd like to go back and read the threads for the first month after the book and the interview you will see that many of us came to the same conclusion and some had waited for the book for years who were disappointed to the extreme.
If I were Eric's parents I would feel highly angry and offended that the parent of the other boy who was in on this with my son had scapegoated my kid and basically put the majority of the blame for the entire thing on him, but of course I don't know how his parents feel.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] they can't put it past her. She's his mother. Dylan was her baby.
And i'm just assuming but I hate to say that the Harrises probably wiped their hands clean off of this case...I think they're probably at that route of pretending it never happened.

I think that the Herrises are in denial. More than the Klebolds. Everytime Eric did something bad his parents got his back. They just "accepted" the evil portray of Eric in order not to be sued or acused again.  (my opinion)

I think this thread should be stickied, no? admins?

liquorvamp wrote:

I think this thread should be stickied, no? admins?

good idea

From a put together Columbine timeline:
"11:19 a.m. — With a shout of “Go! Go!” Klebold and Harris start shooting from the top of the stairs leading into the west side of the school."

Is it confirmed at all that this was said and apparently by Eric? and if it was him what are you guys' thoughts of this that he's the one to prompt the beginning of the entire thing?

I could see it being Eric. As I recall from the 11k one of the witnesses of the "go go" comment stated that it was neither Eric or Dylan it was a third shooter. So who really knows.

I think after the bombs failed E&D were thrown into a tailspin of "well what do we do now?" and had to discuss. Then One of them shouted GOGO in order to get the new plan going.

liquorvamp wrote:

I think this thread should be stickied, no? admins?

Yea, I'll sticky it now.

One of the things I was thinking....does anyone know when "Eric in Columbine" was filmed? In that video at one part Eric is seemingly picking at his right hand. I am wondering if he could be picking at the "scab" that he was left by shooting his sawed off gun? Thoughts?

I always thought that video was filmed around Feb 1998 awhile after their arrest.

Lizpuff wrote:

One of the things I was thinking....does anyone know when "Eric in Columbine" was filmed?  In that video at one part Eric is seemingly picking at his right hand.  I am wondering if he could be picking at the "scab" that he was left by shooting his sawed off gun?  Thoughts?

I doubt it. He was wearing shorts. So my guess is it was around August/September, 1998. They didn't buy their guns until December, 1998 and it would have been way too cold for shorts by then. Especially in Colorado. It starts snowing in late October/November there.

Thank you loads [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

I wonder if Dylan's mom knew that Brooks' brother was the one who informed his family about Eric's website and she just wanted to add this incident in its original scenario that certainly was to Dylan's benefit or she never learned that Brooks made it up. I was really disappointed when I read it in her book. (btw. that lie alone to me questions everything else Brooks has ever said or wrote in his book, who knows if the infamous conversation in the parking lot on 4/20 is not made up to some extent either).