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| Subject: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:44 pm | |
| A brief Synopsis of the events :Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova were a Russian teenage couple who on November 14th began a siege with police that they live-streamed over Periscope that ended in their suicides. A more in depth explanation of the events :Denis Muravyov (14.8.01 - 14.11.16) And Katerina Vlasova (10.9.01 - 14.11.16) were a Russian teenage couple who had gotten together 7 months prior to their runaway and standoff. They had met at their High School and started dating sometime in April that year even though both of their parents apparently opposed their relationship. Sometime in early November Katya called off their relationship but on November 9th Denis not giving up posted to his VK : "Forever in my heart. Despite everything I loved you, Love now and will love." Katya was moved by his words and they got back together. On November 10th Katya snuck out of her house to friends sleepover even though her curfew was 21:00. Her mother found her that night and a heated argument broke out between them which supposedly ended with Katya sustaining bruises on her neck. The next day Denis and Katya stole their parent's credit cards, Withdrew money and took either a Bus or Cab to the Town of Strugi Krasnye. When they arrived in Strugi Krasnye they headed to Katya's Stepfather's Summer Home. There they opened a window using a knife and gained entry. During their 3 Days they spent together alone in the house Katya cut her hair and Dyed it from Blonde to Brown, They spent their money on things like Candy and Soda and at some point opened a Gun Safe in the house which held 2 O/U Double Barrel Shotguns, A TT-33 Tokarev Pistol and a considerable amount of Ammunition. On their third day at the House November 14th in the morning Katya's Mother and Grandmother arrived at the house. They answered the door and Denis asked them to go away. Katya was standing behind him with a Knife in her hand that wasn't intended to be threatening according to her but when her Grandmother noticed it she lunged at Katya trying to take it from her in the process cutting Katya's Hands. Denis then Drew the TT-33 Pistol, Shot Katya's mother in the right hip and they Barricaded themselves inside. Katya's Mother and Grandmother called the Police. Shortly afterwards the Police arrived at the house and were going to try and negotiate with the Teens but as soon as they pulled up outside of the house Denis opened fire on them with one of the Shotguns. One officer was injured although not severely and the Police fled to the cover of Bushes further down the road. Denis continued to fire at the empty Van before stopping and shortly after they began Livestreaming to Periscope. During the Livestreams they answered classmates questions, Fired at the empty van, Prepared and ate Noodles and towards the end started Drinking Alcohol and Chainsmoking. In the time between their 4rth and Final Livestream Swat was already on scene and looking on as Denis's Mother called him begging to surrender and eventually convinced them to throw their weapons out of the window. They threw out one of the Shotguns and the Pistol but kept one Shotgun unbeknown to the Police outside. After this they were given 40 minutes to "Think things over." and Surrender or the SWAT would Rush the house and apprehend them. In their Final Stream they were sullen and quiet. At the end Katya avoided eye contact with the camera tearing up while she said their last words. "Thanks everyone for your support. For the time we spent together. This was really awesome. We will miss you. Love you. Goodbye. After their stream ended they posted Goodbye messages to their VK accounts and Commit Suicide shortly afterwards. Katya was too afraid to kill herself so she asked Denis to do it for her. She sat on the Couch in the upstairs room they spent most of their Videos in and Denis shot her in the face with the remaining shotgun then got on his knees in front of her and shot himself in the face. When the 40 minutes were up and they hadn't surrendered or answered negotiations SWAT rushed the house. They broke through a downstairs window and made their way upstairs. They then threw a stun grenade into the upstairs hallway shattering the window in the door to the room Denis and Katya lay dead in. They rushed up the stairs and were greeted with the sight of the Teens Bodies when they entered the Room. Early on November 15th Denis and Katya's Bodies were taken by Ambulance to the Morgue. Later that afternoon the "Investigative Committee" issued a Video of Inside the House. The Video shows the Room that they died in and Pools of blood from their suicide, Their Jackets on the couch and floor along with the Shotgun they used to commit suicide with. On November 18th They were laid to rest with Denis being buried first and Katya being buried second shortly after and a slight distance away. You can find Albums with Photos of Them, their Funerals and the House everything occurred at Here : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] There are 226 Photos altogether.And here are the Photos of their Bodies along with the Room afterwards :- [GORE] Suicide and Crime Scene Photos:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Social Media Links :Denis MuravyovVK - https://vk.com/denismyr18 Instagram - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Ask.FM - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Periscope - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][REMOVED]Katerina VlasovaVK - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][REMOVED] - Pics of VK profiles here:
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Skype - zeta.vs - Pic of Skype account here:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Misc Information :House Address : 9 ул. Кудрявцева, Strugi Krasnye, Pskov OblastThe School they attended : School Nr. 24 (Pskov) Download Livestreams : https://k2s.cc/file/633dcd0d53fc5/load.zip P.S Sorry for everything being so ugly at the bottom.
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TheSpiral
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:53 pm | |
| I'm guessing it was just a rash decision to shoot at cops, and when they did they had no other choice but to go all the way. _________________ Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead The dance of the dead, the dance of the dead
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TheSpiral
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:05 am | |
| I'm honestly suprised that not a lot of people talked about this. _________________ Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead The dance of the dead, the dance of the dead
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:49 am | |
| The girl was just skin and bones. Goodness. | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:47 pm | |
| Do you have the uncensored suicide pictures? If so can you PM them to me? Thank you. - deeagle wrote:
- skin and bones.
You could say she looked as if she was ready to die..... _________________ "If opportunities for role fulfilment fall far short of the demand by those capable of filling roles, and having expectations to do so, only violence and disruption of social organization can follow. Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked." - John B. Calhoun
Everything is going wrong.... Farmers are generally on the verge of ruin. Trade is always bad. The Church is in danger. The House of Lords isn’t worth a dozen years’ purchase. The throne totters. - Anthony Trollope
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:13 am | |
| I find this a really dull uninteresting event, it was just 2 young immature idiots who got in the whole love story thing and thought it would be romantic to have a little final stand and shoot an innocent policeman, they could of been taken down very easily by snipers through the windows and the police were being easy on them. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:43 am | |
| - TheyAllFloatDownHere wrote:
- I find this a really dull uninteresting event, it was just 2 young immature idiots who got in the whole love story thing and thought it would be romantic to have a little final stand and shoot an innocent policeman, they could of been taken down very easily by snipers through the windows and the police were being easy on them.
I totally agree. These idiots don't even deserve to be mentioned. _________________ I just want something I can never have.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:01 pm | |
| - Love wrote:
- I totally agree. These idiots don't even deserve to be mentioned.
It's history. And in my eyes all history whether good or bad should be remembered and preserved. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:35 pm | |
| if youre gonna mention eastern euopean killers or figures you might wanna look at the Dnepropetrovsk spree killers in Ukraine who used a hammer to kill 21 people in only a few weeks in a small town. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:53 pm | |
| - sitnwatchitburn wrote:
- Love wrote:
- I totally agree. These idiots don't even deserve to be mentioned.
It's history. And in my eyes all history whether good or bad should be remembered and preserved. This isn't history. It's just a thing that happened. This hasn't impacted the world at large or even Russia in any meaningful way. It's as historic as any random murder. Less so as no one died, excepting the two attempted murderers. _________________ "If opportunities for role fulfilment fall far short of the demand by those capable of filling roles, and having expectations to do so, only violence and disruption of social organization can follow. Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked." - John B. Calhoun
Everything is going wrong.... Farmers are generally on the verge of ruin. Trade is always bad. The Church is in danger. The House of Lords isn’t worth a dozen years’ purchase. The throne totters. - Anthony Trollope
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:20 pm | |
| - STK wrote:
- This isn't history. It's just a thing that happened. This hasn't impacted the world at large or even Russia in any meaningful way. It's as historic as any random murder. Less so as no one died, excepting the two attempted murderers.
It didn't impact the world or Russia in any meaningful way but these two teens are now dead and gone forever. Sure people die all the time and that's not seen as history but the event itself sets it apart from the rest even though it is small when compared to Columbine etc . You might as well say that Amanda Todd isn't history or just a thing that happened too going by that logic. But your definition of history more than likely differs to mine. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:35 pm | |
| - sitnwatchitburn wrote:
- You might as well say that Amanda Todd isn't history or just a thing that happened too going by that logic. But your definition of history more than likely differs to mine.
Amanda Todd made an impact on the world. Her suicide resonated with a large amount of people. Her suicide started a dialogue on teenage suicide and bullying. That actually is "history" because it made an impact on the world. These two don't have that. Yes there gone, and yes that's tragic for their families, but it's not history. - sitnwatchitburn wrote:
- It didn't impact the world or Russia in any meaningful way but these two teens are now dead and gone forever.
These two teens attempted to murder a innocent police officer. Their deaths are tragic for their families, but the fact that they are no longer apart of this world is not a tragedy. They were not innocent little angels, they were attempted murderers. _________________ "If opportunities for role fulfilment fall far short of the demand by those capable of filling roles, and having expectations to do so, only violence and disruption of social organization can follow. Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked." - John B. Calhoun
Everything is going wrong.... Farmers are generally on the verge of ruin. Trade is always bad. The Church is in danger. The House of Lords isn’t worth a dozen years’ purchase. The throne totters. - Anthony Trollope
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:09 am | |
| Condoms are among the "ammunition" very colorfully characterizes this "tragedy". Why would they use protection if they were going to blow up heads? People just want to become famous by any means, to show what they are "cool" which is shooting at the police, want to play "bad". They are conducting adult life, but still they want to be treated like children, because it is very convenient not to be responsible for their actions. It may sound cruel to you, but I did not feel sorry for these empty-headed idiots. I know a lot of people like them. Natural selection! _________________ I just want something I can never have.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:20 am | |
| This incident just shows how messed up and discriminatory this world is to young people. The couple just wanted to be together and left alone but instead they were going to be forced back to likely abusive households. When they were forced to go back to an environment that they could not handle they snapped. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:45 am | |
| - Wirely wrote:
- When they were forced to go back to an environment that they could not handle they snapped.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:13 pm | |
| The "official" report states that they committed suicide. I've read about how Russia authorities treat suspects, let alone people who shoot at them. With the distortion due to the slug I'm having a hard time discerning entry wounds. With the brain matter on the couch I'm assuming Katerina took a frontal shot to the side of the head. Have no clue how Denis shot himself because regardless of if that's entry or exit it's nigh impossible to shoot yourself in either location by yourself.
Not sure if everyone should take this particular case at face value. Not sure if anyone should take any case at face value. _________________ There are no laws of nature that prevent humans from making choices.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:02 pm | |
| Looks like he shot himself in the face- in the right eye it seems. Nothing unusual. Katerina seems to have been shot in the upper right side of the head. Once again nothing unusual. I believe they did commit suicide. _________________ Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead The dance of the dead, the dance of the dead
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:09 pm | |
| Shot yourself in the eye with a shotgun?....... Only way he could do that is if his shoes are off and was sitting or just had a above average armspan, either way there's no way you could support the shotgun in this manner unless you set it against something. The trajectory would be an upward angle and blow the top front/middle part of his head off, which clearly did not happen.
Most shotgun suicides are done from the sitting position as that is the only way unless the shotgun is sawed off to a length a person could handle. | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:34 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:20 am | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I did see this theory when I was researching this particular incident. Those were actually the first results. I don't see how Denis' wound is self-inflicted since I'm familiar with shotguns and had a shotgun suicide at a former employer. Also my trust of certain organizations and governments make me question everything anyway lol. _________________ There are no laws of nature that prevent humans from making choices.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:05 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:24 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:48 am | |
| It kills me that there isn't a lot of information about this case. _________________ Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead The dance of the dead, the dance of the dead
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:55 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:32 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:31 pm | |
| I've heard that they were in a relationship, broke up, one of them made a post on social media that touched the other one, they got back together, their parents didn't like their relationship, one of them apparently stayed at the other's house, their parents found out, they both ran away to the house and started the siege.
I'm surprised no one died except the 2 teens. They had plenty of ammo and 3 guns. But I guess the police van was good cover. | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:48 am | |
| I think these two are not worth looking into as i said they are two immature teens from abusive families who thought it would be cool to do a "romantic" final stand and shoot an innocent policeman, if you want to talk about partners and sieges you should look into the Cokeville School bombing and siege. If they really cared they wouldn't of filmed themselves shooting and acting all sad, that was just a sign they that they desperately wanted attention. if they really cared and were hiding out at the summer house i doubt they would want people to know where they are and who they were if they were together and were away from their parents. In this case any violent domestic or partner dispute could be discussed not just these two immature kids. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:37 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:32 am | |
| Agreed, also other people, myself included may be interested in this for my own reasons. Strange case in my opinion. _________________ There are no laws of nature that prevent humans from making choices.
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:58 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:46 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:31 am | |
| They were young, and probably didn't plan out much of anything besides to run away. The hasty shooting of the girl's mother, then shooting at the responding police sealed their fate. So they could either surrender and be separated and likely jailed, or commit suicide. They chose to die together. Very stupid and very sad at the same time. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:55 pm | |
| - Stills of Katya on September 19th 2016:
From a video found on their schools YouTube channel. Katya can be seen on the left wearing white. Presumably a friend comes up behind her and pretends to strangle her with string. It's similar to the clip of Eric Harris in the mock kidnapping video. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Evidence that it's her : [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:00 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:36 am | |
| - mordupen wrote:
- Random stills from one of their livestreams :
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Where can I get a qt Russian gf like this? | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:12 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:47 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:50 am | |
| Police gathered waiting further down the road after giving Denis and Katya 40 minutes to either surrender or be apprehended. (They had no knowledge that they had kept one gun.) [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:43 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:04 am | |
| - mordupen wrote:
- Chat log between Denis & a friend.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Wow very interesting chat log I'm sure those moon runes must say something pretty cool breh | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:02 am | |
| - All Photos from posts on Katya Vlasova's deleted VK account:
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:13 am | |
| - BehindZeroProxies wrote:
I'm sure those moon runes must say something pretty cool breh lol xddd its in anotr languij lololol!1111 | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:56 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:53 am | |
| If he really loved her he wouldn't have shot her. If a guy truly loves a girl, he wouldn't care if it is him who makes her happy, or if it is someone else, just as long as she is happy. I don't care how much of these two were in love and were resorting to the tragic Romeo and Juliet end, you don't shoot the girl that you love in the face with a shotgun. | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:01 am | |
| - spidEr wrote:
- If he really loved her he wouldn't have shot her. If a guy truly loves a girl, he wouldn't care if it is him who makes her happy, or if it is someone else, just as long as she is happy. I don't care how much of these two were in love and were resorting to the tragic Romeo and Juliet end, you don't shoot the girl that you love in the face with a shotgun.
True, although you have to consider the fact that they only had one Shotgun at this point. And they weren't going to let themselves be captured alive so alternatively Katya could've shot herself and Denis would then have to take the Shotgun covered in her blood from her dead body and shoot himself. In doing this he'd also have to witness the sight of her corpse or look away while reaching for the Shotgun which would surely result in him touching her blood or wound before he found the Shotgun. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:10 am | |
| - mordupen wrote:
- spidEr wrote:
- If he really loved her he wouldn't have shot her. If a guy truly loves a girl, he wouldn't care if it is him who makes her happy, or if it is someone else, just as long as she is happy. I don't care how much of these two were in love and were resorting to the tragic Romeo and Juliet end, you don't shoot the girl that you love in the face with a shotgun.
True, although you have to consider the fact that they only had one Shotgun at this point. And they weren't going to let themselves be captured alive so alternatively Katya could've shot herself and Denis would then have to take the Shotgun covered in her blood from her dead body and shoot himself. In doing this he'd also have to witness the sight of her corpse or look away while reaching for the Shotgun which would surely result in him touching her blood or wound before he found the Shotgun. Love or someone's perception of it can make them do strange, crazy, and sometimes very drastic things. |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:22 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:24 am | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Found a photo of Katya taken sometime during their two last days alone at the house. (November 12th or 13th 2016) - Evidence:
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| Subject: Re: Denis Muravyov and Katerina Vlasova Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:01 pm | |
| I remember that. Honestly kind of interesting, i think they just shot at police for the shits and just wanted to commit suicide. |
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