Who would win: mass murder edition

I saw something somewhat similar to this while browsing an archive service. It intrigued me.
The following mass murderers:

Eric and Dylan
Martin Bryant
Adam Lanza
James Holmes
Seung Hui Cho
Anders Brevik
Marc Lepine
Thomas Hamiliton
Elliot Rodger
Charles Whitman

Are pitted against each other in a "battle royale" style free for all at a random college campus. They are allowed only the firearms and ammunition they had with them when they committed their attacks. Victory requires eliminating all other participants, although temporary alliances are allowed. Eric and Dylan are not required to kill each other and fight as a team.

Assuming these conditions, which shooter would be the most likely to succeed?

Wow thats quite a match up, i think there is endless possibilities here, i see elliot rodger being the first dead due to his inexperience with firearms. I'd say the most likely to last to the end would either be Whitman or Breivik as Whitman could take people out at long ranges and he also had marines training so i think he'd stand a good chance in this scenario. Breivik had somewhat knowledge and also has a wide variety of multipurpose weapons such as the mini ruger 14 (same as lepine) with the scope attachments, he also had a glock sidearm.

For Thomas And Cho i think they could have some chance due to their skill with handguns.

Martin Bryan was mentally simple and at most times acted like a kid, i think he would shoot at anything he saw and he does have a strong loadout with the Colt M4 and the FN FAL, i don't know really what would happen with martin.

For holmes and Lepine i can't say, Lepine could have a fair chance at survivng in the enviroment since he came from montreal and went hunting, im assuming you are talking about a battle royal situation like Player Unknown Battlegrounds or the actual battle royal film so i guess your adding surviving in the environment as a part?

E&D played DOOM and Eric was in to military and Eric talked of everyone being put into a DOOM world where survival of the fittest is the objective, so i think they could adapt to the surroundings and use their 2 man team as an advantage but against someone like Whitman with marine training i think they could get taken out in a heartbeat at long ranges.

And for Adam, this is unpredictable really, would of his disorders effected him? Hate of sunlight?, Anxiety, sensitive to touch?
He had a hefty set of firearms and he knew how to correctly operate them due to his obsession with military and guns (aside from strategic reloads), He was fairly intelligent and may of been psychologically (not physically) prepared to enter combat through his sensory deprivation and loss of reality whilst ostensibly playing Combat Arms and losing his mind in a world of military, guns and violence. But if the environment played a factor i think Adams mind would get the best of him and he wouldn't be able to handle the harsh conditions.

Overall my conclusion is that it is unpredictable and has endless possibilities we would never really know unless it happened and im just putting together likely survivors based on their survival and shooting skills.

what do other people think?

Oh at a college campus?, if inside it would be between Breivik, Lanza, Holmes, Cho, Bryant and Hamilton, they all carry some form set of High grade weaponry multipurpose weaponry but like i said before it has endless possibilities

I think Rodger, Harris & Klebold would be amongst the first to perish.

Whitman would probably fair quite well if he got himself a good vantage point.

I think Eric and Dylan and Rodger would die first. Rodger because he was not experienced with firearms and had a small physique. Eric and Dylan of course would be working together so that is an advantage but they were not like in the military and they were still teenager and they lost focus quite a few times during columbine.
Inside a college a campus its tought to say. Rodger might no do bad up close figthing because he was able to surprise and stab three people so that show he does have a high amount of stamina and killer instict.

Lanza he had a wide knowledge of firearms. But its to know how exactly he would do. He was anorexic so that would mean he would probably have trouble focusing and how long could he endure a battle? He also had mood swing and was psychologically unstable. So maybe he would not have the patience for like a sniper duel say agaist whitman and he was depressed so he would probably commit suicide.

James Holmes I think is a strong contender because he had bullet proof vest and various different type of weapons like a shotgun,ar, and glock pistol so he was heavily armed I think in a closed corridor fight he would have an advantage. But at the same time all that equipment would mean he would be more slow and it would tough for him to move.

It really depends on whether the battle takes place inside a classroom then its who shoot quickest. Outside then you need more stamina the ability to run and not get tired and be able to deal with sunlight and stuff like that and Lanza hated sunlight so that would go agaist him. Like say its a fight between Lanza and Elliot Rodger inside a classroom Lanza rifle malfunction and Elliot is up close with the knife I think Elliot could have stabbed him before he reached for his gun.

Whitman is a strong contender was a marine could shoot long distances and that would give him an advantage. Breivik is also a strong contedner he a I think a rifle and a glock 34 and I think had more ammo than any other shooter on this list I think he carried 3000 round into utoya with him.

Hamilton had two pistol and could fire very quickly or so I read on wikipedia.

I persoanlly would put my money on Breivik or Whitman. I think James Holmes could also do well if he had more training but Holmes was not as well trained as say Breivik.

Cho is pretty much the best with pistols but how would he fare agaist someone shooting back at him.

See almost nobody on this list actually got into a (long) shoot ut with the police. Breivik surrenderd as soon as the police arrived,Eric and Dylan shoot it out for a little while, Cho killed himself as soon as the police arrived so did Lanza and and Hamilton, Bryant kept the police at bay for an entire night.


I would put my money on Whitman cause he was an actual marine he had the most training.

Arguably, if all reports are indeed to be believed, we are perhaps dismissing Bryant too easily here. His shooting is said to be highly accurate despite him being a bit of an oaf.

Interesting question. Out of those people listed, my pick would definitely be Whitman.

It's really impossible to know but here are my thoughts as to what they would do.

Only Anders, Martin and Charles would dare venture outside of the building(s) given their weapons and skills/training
with the rest fighting strictly inside. Eric & Dylan would likely either wander the halls looking for a fight or camp out in a room but they have the advantage of their shotguns in close quarters, their pipe bombs and the fact that the likes of James Holmes, Seung Hui Cho and Anders Breivik might be hesitant to open fire on them. I think Adam would either go lone wolf or try and team up with Anders Breivik if he had the chance and if they did team up I think they would be tactical but reckless / kind of careless. Both Thomas and Cho would stick to the halls and classrooms given they only have pistols but they would make them a lot more agile and effective in a very close quarters situation. Marc Lepine would definitely be one of the first killed as would Elliot Rodger without a doubt. I think that Charles Whitman would take a position on a rooftop firing at people he sees in classrooms or hallways through the windows and would likely enter the building(s) at some point. James Holmes has a big advantage of having a bullet proof vest, multiple weapons and a lot of ammo for them which would make him the biggest fear and enemy to everyone else even though it's a Free For All so temporary alliances might be made just to take him down. Finally I think that Martin Bryant would stick to hallways, classrooms and maybe outdoor areas but I doubt he would go out in the complete open or for long. He would also be one of the strongest contenders given his weapons and accuracy with them.

Charle Whitman. A trained military man, could eat all of them for breakfast.

I think the issue here is who is the most tactical. Breivik was very tactical during his spree checking corner so he would not get jumped and moving slow using the trees for cover in contrast Elliot was not tactical at all he jump drove his car randomly and stuff so that show he was not very focused.

James411 wrote:

I think the issue here is who is the most tactical. Breivik was very tactical during his spree checking corner so he would not get jumped and moving slow using the trees for cover in contrast Elliot was not tactical at all he jump drove his car randomly and stuff so that show he was not very focused.

i agree, Breivik had a militaristic mindset as we can see from his manifesto and took into account possibly dangers of being stopped in his rampage, he also had a all around kit and was also on drugs during his spree which could boost his survivability and performance, with whitman surviving aswell at some point they would both have their favored areas locked down, whitman would control outside whilst Breivik might control inside and from there i don't know what would happen.

For Holmes, Bryant or Adam i don't know, Martin was dead accurate with his weapons but we got to remember he was a bit simple and might of not be aware of his surrounding or take caution.

I find this quite interesting. I'll put shooters into different groups. Small chance of surviving, medium chance of surviving, high chance of surviving and unsure.

Small: Adam, Elliot, Bryant and E and D.
Elliot wasn't good with weapons, Adam's weapons had frequent problems during his shootings so it's likely his weapons would jam or something, Bryant wouldn't last long due to his low IQ, and Eric and Dylan had badly made bombs and just all the failures in their shooting makes it clear that they wouldn't survive.

Medium: James and Thomas.
Why James Holmes? His drum mag malfunctioned during the shooting and the small amount of kills despite being in such a large theatre firing at such a large crowd with an arsenal of decent weapons. Thomas mainly killed children so he didn't have much experience with killing adults and his .357 revolvers would probably take long to reload, which would give someone else plenty of time to kill him while he was reloading.

High: Breivik, Cho and Whitman.
Breivik was very tactical during his shooting and was excellent as a lone gunman, and he apparently used hollow points. Cho reloaded quickly and used hollow points, and his tactics during the shooting (shooting everyone he saw, going back to classrooms to shoot people that were still alive etc.) are pretty good evidence that he'd survive for a long time. Charles Whitman obviously had a lot of marine training and had a large amount of weapons and brought food and water with him, so he'd be able to not only survive by killing off others, but also survive by eating and drinking, preventing dehydration. However, the amount of equipment he had would also be a disadvantage. He had to wheel a footlocker full of equipment around because of how much stuff he brought, so someone could shoot him while he's wheeling it around. If he saw someone that was going to shoot him while he was wheeling it around, it'd take him a considerable amount of time to open the footlocker and grab a gun. I don't know who'd win out of the 3.

Unsure: Lepine.
Marc Lepine was a decent killer in his shooting and had a good gun, however I don't know what he'd do in a battle royale where the only people he could kill are men when he targetted women.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Thomas mainly killed children so he didn't have much experience with killing adults and his .357 revolvers would probably take long to reload, which would give someone else plenty of time to kill him while he was reloading.

Thomas Hamilton had 2 .357 revolvers on him but he didn't use them except for his suicide, his main weapons were 2 Browning HP automatic pistols loaded with a mix of FMJ and Hollow Points, he also had a large supply of Ammo on him and is witnessed by his friends that he had extremely good accuracy at gun ranges.

Elliot rodger would be killed first for sure. Not sure who would win though. Maybe Marc lepine or Walt whitman?

James411 wrote:

Rodger because he was not experienced with firearms and had a small physique..

Elliot was on a bodybuilding forum though, which suggests that he was working out.

Anders Brievik could kill most of them with his van bomb, if the other shooters were near to it when it detonated.

No Stephen Paddock?

haydenschool wrote:

No Stephen Paddock?

This thread was made before Vegas.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

haydenschool wrote:

No Stephen Paddock?

This thread was made before Vegas.

Oh, shit...

But what happens if we added him in? Would he win?

haydenschool wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

haydenschool wrote:

No Stephen Paddock?

This thread was made before Vegas.

Oh, shit...

But what happens if we added him in? Would he win?

Probably.

haydenschool wrote:

Oh, shit...

But what happens if we added him in? Would he win?

Being a 64 year old man he wouldn't be particularly mobile or CQC capable, so he wouldn't pose much of a challenge on the ground. However if he got to an elevated position he could probably rain down death on anybody unfortunate to wander into his field of fire, requiring a team effort to take him down. If he and Whitman got into a sniper battle, Paddock's superior rate of fire, more advanced firearms, and higher amount of guns would leave him the winner.

haydenschool wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

haydenschool wrote:

No Stephen Paddock?

This thread was made before Vegas.

Oh, shit...

But what happens if we added him in? Would he win?

Personally, I don't think so. Whitman still has the advantage in that he's better trained and much more physically fit. Paddock might be a runner up though.

Maybe Adam Lanza or Anders Breivik. I think you should add Nidal Hasan.

Lt. Stone wrote:

Maybe Adam Lanza or Anders Breivik. I think you should add Nidal Hasan.

no way adam, he was weak as fuck, he either had a bad gun or he just reloaded a lot because he thought it was cool. He also only managed to get 27 kills because he attacked an elementary school, if he went to a college or high school he would most likely of been stopped

Snow wrote:

Lt. Stone wrote:

Maybe Adam Lanza or Anders Breivik. I think you should add Nidal Hasan.

no way adam, he was weak as fuck, he either had a bad gun or he just reloaded a lot because he thought it was cool. He also only managed to get 27 kills because he attacked an elementary school, if he went to a college or high school he would most likely of been stopped

Lanza was able to kill a large amount of people because he focused on classrooms (which have large amounts of people, one exit, and minimal cover) and shot his victims multiple times at close range. In addition, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] analyzed photo's of unexpended .223 cartridges that Lanza had with him, and concluded that he used soft point ammunition to shoot his victims. This type of ammunition "is intended to expand upon striking flesh to cause a wound diameter greater than the bullet diameter" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft-point_bullet) causing extensive tissue damage. Yeah, there is a high likelihood that he would have been stopped prematurely if he attacked adults, but attributing his decision to attack an elementary school as the primary factor in the high number of deaths ignores the above factors.

Of course, this is all irrelevant to this thread's topic, as killing unarmed people, regardless of their age, is vastly different from going up against people who can shoot back. Lanza's weakness means that he wasn't CQC capable, and his gun would probably jam alot, so he would probably get taken out pretty quick.

I think Robert Steinhäuser (a german school shooter) could win the battle to. He was able to shot a police officer from a window.

What about Michael Ryan, James Huberty, George Hennard and  Devin Kelly?

Michael Ryan used to stalk picnickers in Savernake Forest so he has some training if you consider that so.

George Jo Hennard would win this easily, he was actually the most badass shooter ever in my opinion.

rabadon55 wrote:

George Jo Hennard would win this easily, he was actually the most badass shooter ever in my opinion.

What made Hennard a badass?

What makes Hennard a badass? For example his behaviour during rampage. All those chants like "Take that, bitch!", "It's a payback time!", "Was it worth it?". Also, driving pick-up into the cafeteria was a badass and creative idea. He was merciless too. He even killed people who runned to help him, because they thought it was simply a car crash. He let mother and her child to go out, but not before killing both of her parents. He didn't stop killing his victims even when police arrived, then he shot out with them and blew his brain out.

I also like how he was good looking, I mean he was looking like some movie character. And his favourite song was Don't Take Me Alive by Steely Dan, which I love.

rabadon55 wrote:

George Jo Hennard would win this easily

lol no

He's about as vulnerable as Adam Lanza or Elliot Roger. No training, only average fitness, and extreme recklessness makes for an easy target for anyone with an understanding of tactics.

Maybe you're right about recklessness, but I believe Hennard was fit. Also, he served in Army for years, had experience with guns, I wouldn't compare him to skinny kids like Rodger or Lanza.

Who would win? Tim Kretschmer V. David Sonboly

I'm thinking about writing a story where a massive roster of mass killers attack each other in an island that's realistic. I might post the story on the Fanfiction section of this forum.

If you addded all the top 50 shooters from this list, who would win?

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Woo Bun-Kon could well be a good choice, not so much Brenton Tarrant and Omar Mateen.

Robert Bales and William Unek could also win as they had lots of military experience.

Woo Bum-Kon vs William Unek would be very interesting to see

The answer is easy. If Madotsuki is a low 2-C tier according to the VS Battles Wiki, that would mean her power can rival Dragon Ball Super Goku.
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Madotsuki's powers can only happen within her dream, her power to destroy a universe can be seen when she wakes up. She would be useless in the real world. What does this have to do with mass shooters, you may ask? Simple. A notable mass shooter who also claimed to have the power of lucid dreaming is Jared Lee Loughner. He would technically be at the same level as Madotsuki. So in a battle between all mass shooters, Jared Lee Loughner would destroy all of them. (10/10 logic, totally not shit).

As an example, here is a possible scenario of what would have happened if Jared Lee Loughner was in the battle royale:

Other mass shooters: *fires weapons at each other "Hurr Durr"
Jared Lee Loughner: "Time to start my conscience dreaming."
Eric Harris:*Throws pipe bomb at Loughner
Loughner: *Wakes up and accidentally erase the whole universe.

In conclusion, the answer should have been obvious from the start. Jared Lee Loughner would stomp Woo Bum Kon, George Hennard, William Unek, Brenton Tarrant, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Cho, and Breivik combined.

People always looked at the weaponry of the mass shooter to get their answer. But I managed to figure out this complex puzzle through muh video game anime gril waifu.

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PS: Jared Lee Loughner for Jump Force as a DLC.

If we suppose Martin Bryant actually executed the shooting that took place in the Broad Arrow Café he would propably win.

11B-X-1371 wrote:

If we suppose Martin Bryant actually executed the shooting that took place in the Broad Arrow Café he would propably win.

Jared Lee Loughner would have erased Bryant with his wake up ability. After all, reality itself is Loughner's conscience dream.

A difficult choice. Either Charles Whitman, Anders Behring Breivik, Cho Seung-Hui or James Holmes.

Eric and Dylan, Elliot Roger and Adam Lanza would not last long, Anders Brievik or Charles Whitman would probably win

I'm still standing with Loughner as the winner. Life as we know it is a conscious dream to him now, and if he wakes up, all of those shooters would die hypothetically.

This whole idea is messed up, and is blatantly glorifying mass murder.

Stephen Paddock could do well if he got to a good position early on, he certainly had the best weapons and the most ammo.

Rosie1756 wrote:

Stephen Paddock could do well if he got to a good position early on, he certainly had the best weapons and the most ammo.

Stephen was basically Charles Whitman on meth.

DanielBryer wrote:

This whole idea is messed up, and is blatantly glorifying mass murder.

Do you know what forum you are on?

Harris and Klebold would get pretty far, considering they knew pretty what they were doing pretty well. If Whitman found a vantage point, I feel like everyone else would be screwed. It's unpredictable. Cho and Lepine would have an advantage, they're familiar with college campuses after all.

Martin Bryant would massacre everyone. Dude had some of the best guns and the best aim.

D-FENS1993 wrote:

Martin Bryant would massacre everyone. Dude had some of the best guns and the best aim.

This comment right here. The man had an AR-15 with the OG scope, a god damn FN Rhodesia style and possibly the most intimidating shotgun of all time, the USAS-12, which he never used, because even he was scared of it.