E&D Halloween story

I was going through Brooks book again, and stumbled back across this little gem. On pg 72 Brooks tells about an incident that supposedly happened on Halloween of their junior year.

He says that Eric and Dylan had sat hidden on a roof and shot at kids who were trick-or-treating with BB guns. He goes on to say how they laughed about it.

We all know that Brooks was/is a known liar, he admitted it himself on more then one occasion. So I don't put much stock in this story. Has any one here ever heard anything else about this?

I'm torn because as you mentioned he is a known lying liar who lies. It could have been BB guns at fellow HS students and Brooks changed it to little kids because "they were MURDERERS!!! Depraved"

In my mind I put E&D in a different box than Lanza and Holmes. It's hard to wrap my head around them hurting little kids. I know murder is murder but a 22 year old killing a 4 year old is more evil in my head than a 17 year old killing a 15 year old.... I think it's because Columbine happened when I was a teenager like them and the other shootings happened when I was an adult, so I look at it differently. Even though I really shouldn't.

Why weren't the police called? Why didn't Brooks mention this to his parents to add it on to the litany of stuff he was ratting Eric out for? Wouldn't this be icing on the cake. Sue and Tom would have been horrified I am sure of it. Another piece of info they didn't have. I'm sure Eric would have gotten punished too.

If it was junior year it was a few months from before the van incident (Halloween of 97, Jan 98 was the van incident, September 98 started senior year, March 99 diversion ended, April 99-NBK) so they were beginning their decent. They probably were already talking about the massacre at least casually.

I agree, if little kids were telling mommy and daddy anything about getting hit with flying objects while trick-or-treating, I am sure someone would have notified police or at least tried to find out what was going on.

I have never come across anything even close to this story before while researching Columbine, so probably safe to just chalk it up as another lie.

Agreed, police are on high alert during Halloween too.

So, Brooks Brown isn't a reliable source, Dave Cullen isn't a reliable source, then who, exactly are we supposed to trust as an authority on the subject? Ourselves?

The 11k, the evidence, E&D themselves (journals etc)

That's actually an excellent question! Who is the most reliable narrator? Who do we believe the most? What do we believe the most? Honestly I listen to Sue, Devon and Nate the most when they talk about Columbine..

Are there any truly unbiased people involved?

Jeff Kass has a great book about Columbine. I listen to his words too.

For me, I have had my own run in with Brooks YEARS ago and since he does say he's a big liar I take things he says with a grain of salt. Dave Cullen has been debunked using evidence (Brenda Parker is a glaring example)

I trust research from certain people within the Columbine community, I trust my own research. I have also researched others research just to make sure it panned out.

I do find it hard to believe much of what Brooks Brown says or wrote for the simple fact that almost everyone who knew him said something along the lines of him being a liar, that he liked to make up stories, etc. Hell he even admits it, saying that he did it for attention, to make himself look better, and so on.

Dave Cullen fabricated a few things about Columbine as well. Whether he did it to make his story sound better, or to just make it fit what he thought happened is anyone's guess. Yet I find the latter is most likely.

The best advice I can offer is do the research for yourself. If something doesn't seem right then follow it to the source, looking at every single angle along the way. Read everything we have access to regarding Columbine, all the evidence, documents, journals, etc. Its really the only way to determine what may have happened and weed out most of the bullshit.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

The best advice I can offer is do the research for yourself. If something doesn't seem right then follow it to the source, looking at every single angle along the way. Read everything we have access to regarding Columbine, all the evidence, documents, journals, etc. Its really the only way to determine what may have happened and weed out most of the bullshit.

This!!

Definitely go through the 26,000 pages of Investigative Material, videos, newspaper articles, books, documentaries, pictures, etc. to get a better understanding.

Re the shooting at little kids - do parents not go out trick or treating with kids? Surely they'd have noticed if someone was shooting at them?

Eric and Dylan would probably have missed anyway - they only seemed good at aiming right up in people's faces. I doubt they hit anyone from on top of a roof from the other side of the street.

Brooks's story does not sound right to me, he did not specify which house it took place at. If it was at Dylan's place, didn't Sue say they had no firearms or any objects of that nature in their house? (I know she mentioned an object to shoo squirrels off, but it's only one).

1Mare1 wrote:

Brooks's story does not sound right to me, he did not specify which house it took place at. If it was at Dylan's place, didn't Sue say they had no firearms or any objects of that nature in their house? (I know she mentioned an object to shoo squirrels off, but it's only one).

Since the Klebold's lived out in the boonies, it couldn't have been their house.  Eric did live in a neighborhood where the houses were fairly close together, where the kids would have been walking up and down the street going from house to house.  BUT I still don't believe the story is true.

It's not hard to conceive really, those are some pretty basic antics pre-OMGbbgunsnowflakemeltdowndie world. If your hiding it's super hard to tell where it's coming from. I've shot many a people with a bb gun in my days.

silentprocess wrote:

pre-OMGbbgunsnowflakemeltdowndie world.

You had me at snowflake!

sororityalpha wrote:

Definitely go through the 26,000 pages of Investigative Material, videos, newspaper articles, books, documentaries, pictures, etc. to get a better understanding.

No offense, but I can barely sit still long enough to read a book of average length, there's no way in hell I'm reading a whopping 26,000 pages of content.

The Klebolds lived in a really rural area so I assume it was Eric's.

I never shot a BB gun, I feel really deprived guys. I shot a real gun once, it was fine. I shot a can. Cool beans.

QM if you don't want to read it, which I haven't to be honest... just ask questions I guess. I'm just saying if one ONLY reads No Easy Answers and Cullenbine... then you're not getting the full picture.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I never shot a BB gun, I feel really deprived guys. I shot a real gun once, it was fine. I shot a can. Cool beans.

My daughter asked for a BB gun for her 4th birthday. She loved it. Its a Daisy, with a pink stock. It even came with matching pink safety glasses and a cute pink and black zippered carrying bag. I was very jealous!

That sounds very chic!

I wonder what Brooks's motives would be to make up the story/exaggerate it?

Screamingophelia wrote:

I never shot a BB gun, I feel really deprived guys. I shot a real gun once, it was fine. I shot a can. Cool beans.

My BB gun is rusted over and doesn't work properly anymore. feelsbadman

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QM if you don't want to read it, which I haven't to be honest... just ask questions I guess. I'm just saying if one ONLY reads No Easy Answers and Cullenbine... then you're not getting the full picture.

Yeah, that's part of the reason I came here anyway. To learn what the experts got right and got wrong.

QuestionMark wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

Definitely go through the 26,000 pages of Investigative Material, videos, newspaper articles, books, documentaries, pictures, etc. to get a better understanding.

No offense, but I can barely sit still long enough to read a book of average length, there's no way in hell I'm reading a whopping 26,000 pages of content.

Yeah, my ADD prevents me from reading the 11k

Dylan had a BB gun

That’s honesty really shitty that he makes up stories about what happened at columbine. First time I’ve heard of this and it’s really disappointing. I mean honesty what a scumbag, he knows the seriousness of the matter and he himself claims to be oh so affected because of his friendship with the killers, but the man is making up fake fucking stories of stuff that never happened at the school? Sounds like brooks has a problem in his head himself.

Moordenaar wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

sororityalpha wrote:

Definitely go through the 26,000 pages of Investigative Material, videos, newspaper articles, books, documentaries, pictures, etc. to get a better understanding.

No offense, but I can barely sit still long enough to read a book of average length, there's no way in hell I'm reading a whopping 26,000 pages of content.

Yeah, my ADD prevents me from reading the 11k

My suggestion would be to break it down into more manageable segments. Start out with reading 5/10/20 pages at a time, or whatever you can handle and sooner or or later you will have it finished.

I can agree that merely telling someone to go read through 26,000 pages is kind of like telling them to leap over Mt. Everest.

Ericishuman wrote:

Dylan had a BB gun

Yes, Dylan did own a BB gun, but whether or not they used it to shoot at little kids Trick-or-Treating is a different story.