The small questions thread

Is there audio of the FBI call between Chris Morris and Philip Duran? Or just a transcript?

I've never heard the recording, I think we only have the transcripts. What do you think about him agreeing to do that? Do you think Phil was being cautious/suspicious? He seemed to not want to give up too much info...

Littlelo wrote:

I've never heard the recording, I think we only have the transcripts. What do you think about him agreeing to do that? Do you think Phil was being cautious/suspicious? He seemed to not want to give up too much info...

I feel like Philip knew something was up.

I wonder what their relationship was beforehand? I thought Philip and Mark Manes were more of Eric and Dylan's "friends" because they were going to help them get guns and not really a part of their group.

I don't know why but I have always got the vibe that they were like 7 years older than them. How old were they? Philip and Mark?

It still boggles my mind that Robyn didn't get into trouble.

I wonder if that effected her getting jobs and stuff?

Only one parent teacher conference was mentioned in A Mothers Reckoning. Since Dylan supposedly had outbursts in gym and French class I wonder how much was told to Sue when it was happening? I'd like to think if she knew more she'd be able to move forward differently.

Yeah it's weird to me that you hear about Dylan talking back to teachers and walking out of class, but the only thing we have a record of was when they got in trouble for the lockers and when he was talked to about his essay.

Littlelo wrote:

Yeah it's weird to me that you hear about Dylan talking back to teachers and walking out of class, but the only thing we have a record of was when they got in trouble for the lockers and when he was talked to about his essay.

Yea, I feel like there is so much more about those instances that we will never know. How much were they blown out of proportion maybe? Did Dylan come in with an apology later?

I still don't believe Dylan walked around school with a swatzika on his face... I THINK one of his friends would have been like "take that off"

I think some students and even teachers might have exaggerated stories about E&D after the shooting. Plenty of people wanted to have their own stories to tell to connect them to it in some way.

I also don't believe the swastika thing. Didn't people say Dylan wore one on his clothing too? Pretty sure if either of the boys did that their parents or a teacher would notice and they would be in trouble.

Littlelo wrote:

I think some students and even teachers might have exaggerated stories about E&D after the shooting. Plenty of people wanted to have their own stories to tell to connect them to it in some way.

I also don't believe the swastika thing. Didn't people say Dylan wore one on his clothing too? Pretty sure if either of the boys did that their parents or a teacher would notice and they would be in trouble.

That was a rumor too from the first few weeks. They wore armbands supposedly. I think they would have gotten into trouble.

Plus Dylan didn't seem as interested in it as Eric, if at all.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I think some students and even teachers might have exaggerated stories about E&D after the shooting. Plenty of people wanted to have their own stories to tell to connect them to it in some way.

I also don't believe the swastika thing. Didn't people say Dylan wore one on his clothing too? Pretty sure if either of the boys did that their parents or a teacher would notice and they would be in trouble.

That was a rumor too from the first few weeks. They wore armbands supposedly. I think they would have gotten into trouble.

Plus Dylan didn't seem as interested in it as Eric, if at all.

Agreed. Just look at their writings...Dylan never drew stuff like Eric did. Plus Sue is Jewish.

What class is Eric and Dylan having in the Eric in columbine video?

munchkinphone wrote:

What class is Eric and Dylan having in the Eric in columbine video?

I think video production.

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

What class is Eric and Dylan having in the Eric in columbine video?

I think video production.

based on what you can see or something you've read?

munchkinphone wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

What class is Eric and Dylan having in the Eric in columbine video?

I think video production.

based on what you can see or something you've read?

A little bit of both.

Plus I think this was taped in the fall of senior year, though Eric looks a LOT younger in the videos than he does in his picture. I have never gotten a good feel of when they taped EIC.

They had video together first semester of their senior year.

you are right. It must have been the beginning of fall 98. I wonder why Dylan has curly hair sometimes and sometimes not though. Is that normal?

munchkinphone wrote:

you are right. It must have been the beginning of fall 98. I wonder why Dylan has curly hair sometimes and sometimes not though. Is that normal?

I'd say humidity but it's not that humid I here in Colorado like it was where I grew up, but maybe it is more humid in the fall? I had some natural waves that would fall flat sometimes and other times look downright curly depending on the weather and if I did anything to my hair.

His hair looks super curly in some of this underclassmen photos.

It's stick straight in his prom photo.

Does Eric: “Well it's 8:16 for starters” match up with when he was supposed to have video production class?

Advanced video was after bowling

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AH! But first semester he didn't have it the same period as Dylan

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Maybe his hair was straight because he had it pulled back for prom? His senior portraits it looks like a combination.

Does anyone have dates for when all of the video tapes were made? You can notice around the time they did the Radioactive Clothing video that Eric is wearing his newly purchased KMFDM hat and military boots (in the Eric in Columbine tape he had those velcro shoes) and also Dylan had on his leather coat for the first time (he had the oil skin duster in Hitmen video). But I find it odd that Eric is wearing a random green baseball cap in some parts of Hitmen and a small black jacket (which I'm guessing he wore before he got his duster) but the tapes were made after he had a duster and his new KMFDM hat.

One of the tapes refers to Dylan and Passover but also Eric's 18th birthday. That gives some context.

from what I can gather

Hitmen, Dylan as sound engineer, Morning Ritual - December 1998 & Behind Black Jacks - Jan 1999

In all these videos Dylan had on his oil-skin duster, which I'm assuming he had recently purchased.

Eric had his velcro shoes and that green baseball cap in Hitmen, and in some parts on he had on a black jacket instead of a duster. I am guessing Eric got his duster for the first time half way into filming this movie.

Radioactive Clothing & Rampart - March 1999

In these tapes Dylan has on his more expensive leather duster and Eric now has his military boots and KMFDM cap.

This thread has some discussion of the order of the videos but only the dates for a couple of them.
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This is what I have gathered so far:

1. Dylans interview with RNN (Jan 30th 98)
2. Highway Patrol (?)
3. Eric in School Video (Beginning of september 98)
4. Car wax commercial (September 15th 98)
5. Hitmen for Hire (December 2nd-10th 98)
6. Rampart range (March 6th 99)
7. Radioactive Clothing (Spring 99)
8.Basement tape (March 15th 99)
9. Basement tape (March 18th 99)
10. Dylan in store video (April 9th 99)
11. Rebs tape (April 11th 99)
12. Breakfast video (April 19th)
13. Buying propane video (April 20th 7:56)
14. Goodbye video (April 20th about 30 mins before attack)
15. Planting bombs video. (April 20th 10:58)

The ones I dont know:
-RNN Fire video
-Mock Kidnapping Scene
-The Roast (Somwhere between sept-dec 98 probably)
-Dylan in theatre class (Probably fall 98)
-Dykeman morning ride (Eric is wearing trenchcoat and hat, it's a bit snowy and Dylan almost has facial hair + leather coat so Jan-Feb 99?)

"Tom and I bought Dylan the long black leather coat he’d asked for. Tom thought it would look ridiculous on Dylan’s lanky frame, and privately I agreed. But several boys at the school wore similar black coats, and he’d already bought a black cotton duster."

Dylan got the leather coat on Christmas from his parents.

I think Nate and Dylan going to Columbine is from early 1999. Nate talks about spending the last 4 years there, so it was later into their senior year but still during the winter. Probably Jan-Feb as you suggested [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I always assumed Frankenstein Roast was filmed the same day as Hitmen (the scenes of Dylan shouting, which I think were 9 or 10 of Dec) because he is wearing the same red rainbow shirt and light blue jeans in both. Or a day or two before/after as I am guessing he would wear the same clothes for those days before changing to something else.

spidEr wrote:

I always assumed Frankenstein Roast was filmed the same day as Hitmen (the scenes of Dylan shouting, which I think were 9 or 10 of Dec) because he is wearing the same red rainbow shirt and light blue jeans in both. Or a day or two before/after as I am guessing he would wear the same clothes for those days before changing to something else.

I don't think one could actually use Dylan's clothing as a means to for anything, because he would often wear the same clothes over again, maybe even for days in a row.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

spidEr wrote:

I always assumed Frankenstein Roast was filmed the same day as Hitmen (the scenes of Dylan shouting, which I think were 9 or 10 of Dec) because he is wearing the same red rainbow shirt and light blue jeans in both. Or a day or two before/after as I am guessing he would wear the same clothes for those days before changing to something else.

I don't think one could actually use Dylan's clothing as a means to for anything, because he would often wear the same clothes over again, maybe even for days in a row.

I keep thinking Frankenstein was the first play in the fall Dylan's senior year. In the roast Brooks, Zach and Dylan mention that they needed to pass their know how down to underclassmen.

I haven't been able to find more info on this, but I was wondering if anyone knows more about when someone said Dylan had drugs in his locker? I think it was a false tip, not that he had anything planted.

Is it in the 11k? Was there retaliation?

Screamingophelia wrote:

I haven't been able to find more info on this, but I was wondering if anyone knows more about when someone said Dylan had drugs in his locker? I think it was a false tip, not that he had anything planted.

Is it in the 11k? Was there retaliation?

I think that may have been in Brooks book, when he was talking about the ways E&D were picked on. Saying that people would sometimes use the school/teachers as a form of harassment too. I know I have read something along those line somewhere.

They did that to Chris Morris too, they said he had alcohol in his trunk but it was just Cream Soda, and that became an injoke between them.

Honestly my high school was the same way. If you were on a sports team or otherwise known to be popular, the teachers would always give you a break, meanwhile they treated other students much more harshly and would give them a harder time. What does that do to you as an adolescent to see your peers treated unfairly through no fault of their own?

Mine as well.

Which is why I think some of the Dylan stuff is exaggerated. You'd think he'd get in way more trouble doing things like threatening to kill a kid, screaming at teachers and pushing girls.

Did Dylan wear contacts? I see him in these really thick glasses sometimes so I feel he must have. However I dont remember reading about it in the autopsy report.

The only reason I ask is because I just thought about how fucked he would have been if he wore contacts and dropped one.

My glasses are not even as thick as those and I am blind. I imagine if he had my sight and dropped a contact he would quickly realize he could not go on.

Maybe it is just the style of glasses that makes them look thicker?

munchkinphone wrote:

Did Dylan wear contacts? I see him in these really thick glasses sometimes so I feel he must have. However I dont remember reading about it in the autopsy report.

The only reason I ask is because I just thought about how fucked he would have been if he wore contacts and dropped one.

My glasses are not even as thick as those and I am blind. I imagine if he had my sight and dropped a contact he would quickly realize he could not go on.

Maybe it is just the style of glasses that makes them look thicker?

I've never heard if he did. He may not have and just decided not to wear his glasses and strain his eyes? He wore them in theatre class where he'd have to see pretty well

Has anyone heard that parts of Dylan's autopsy report were removed before it was released to the public?

It seems very complete to me.

I never heard that his autopsy was incomplete. It matches up with Eric's as far as each section, I don't remember seeing anything on Eric's that I didn't in Dylan's. Then again, I was never really looking for something that was missing...

Littlelo wrote:

I never heard that his autopsy was incomplete. It matches up with Eric's as far as each section, I don't remember seeing anything on Eric's that I didn't in Dylan's. Then again, I was never really looking for something that was missing...

It was a comment on one of the articles I read today. Supposedly it was in the RMN. Probably made up!

Since we're on the subject, is there a reason that only summaries of the autopsies were released for some victims? I'm only going off of a Columbine site, so if they're all available somewhere could someone let me know?

Littlelo wrote:

Since we're on the subject, is there a reason that only summaries of the autopsies were released for some victims? I'm only going off of a Columbine site, so if they're all available somewhere could someone let me know?

I was wondering that too. Someone here mentioned it could've been because of the families wishes. However the Klebolds didn't want his autopsy released at all.

Were the victims families notified 4/21 of their kids deaths? Sue knew pretty early and I think the Scott's and Bernalls knew that night. In the movie Dawn Anna it said Lauren's family found out on TV but that could be dramatized.

I thought The Roast was filmed for a teacher on Valentine's Day, 1999? Or am I thinking of something else. I'm pretty sure that was the one. The highway patrol I think was filmed around September of 1998.

And are you sure Radioactive Clothing was in March and not the prior September? It would have been really cold in March and they are in t-shirts.

I thought the roast was for Frankenstein. That was fall of 1998.

I was not sure about radioactive clothing but someone said they edited in gunshots from rampart range so it must have been after rampart range, even if that was wrong It was at least after december 98 because Dylan is wearing the leather trench he got for christmas. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I think Brooks mentions in his book that the roast was in fall 1998

Littlelo wrote:

I think Brooks mentions in his book that the roast was in fall 1998

I think that is where I heard it too.

munchkinphone wrote:

I was not sure about radioactive clothing but someone said they edited in gunshots from rampart range so it must have been after rampart range, even if that was wrong It was at least after december 98 because Dylan is wearing the leather trench he got for christmas. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Colorado weather can be fickle too. Plus some people don't mind walking around in short sleeves in winter. I grew up in a place where winters could go from 50s/60's to the teens in a matter of days.

I think Radioactive Clothing was later in March or so of 1999 because of how thin Dylan is. If you watch the Roast or Car Wax and then Radioactive clothing you can tell how gaunt he has become and his arms are toothpicks.

In the Car Wax did anyone hear the girl yell really loud I don't like that kid? Seems so random.

Screamingophelia wrote:

In the Car Wax did anyone hear the girl yell really loud I don't like that kid? Seems so random.

I actually did heard that, she isn't very loud. But then again Dylan yells real good, so she just wasn't as noticeable.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

In the Car Wax did anyone hear the girl yell really loud I don't like that kid? Seems so random.

I actually did heard that, she isn't very loud. But then again Dylan yells real good, so she just wasn't as noticeable.

I'd love to know how Eric knows this at that point.

Maybe playing Doom? People get really loud during video games.