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Did eric & dylan ever take pictures of them posing together as friends? I don't recall ever seeing any
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Did eric & dylan ever take pictures of them posing together as friends? I don't recall ever seeing any

Nothing’s ever been released. The closest we have are screenshots from the student films and stuff.

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Did eric & dylan ever take pictures of them posing together as friends? I don't recall ever seeing any

I doubt it, this was the age before selfies and cell phones with cameras became ubiquitous in society. Lugging around a camera back then to take pictures of yourself and friends when it's not a special occasion would be seen as almost odd.

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Did eric & dylan ever take pictures of them posing together as friends? I don't recall ever seeing any

I doubt it, this was the age before selfies and cell phones with cameras became ubiquitous in society. Lugging around a camera back then to take pictures of yourself and friends when it's not a special occasion would be seen as almost odd.

The only occasion may have been a group photo at a bday party or the after prom party.

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Hi everyone , I feel like I’ve asked this already but I’m trying to find the answer and I can’t.

I remember watching Amanda’s video and she had said the library survivors all received stuffed bears.

Did the seniors receive something different too? Also Why am I thinking the senior library survivors received a different bear? . Because there was a post about Jeanna park auctioning off her bear and she said there’s only a few in existence

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Apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I couldn't find it.

I hear a lot of people claim that NBK was originally planned for Monday, April 19, but they had to postpone until the 20th because Mark Manes forgot to buy Eric the bullets he wanted and didn't pick them up at KMart until Monday night.

I don't believe this for a few reasons:
On one of the Basement Tapes, done some time in late March or early April, Eric comments that they can't decide whether to do it "before or after prom". Prom was April 17th.
So, just a few weeks before the attack, they still hadn't decided on a day.

Second, pg. 25994, in Dylan's (I think, sometimes when he writes small I confuse his handwriting with Eric's) planner. Written on the week of May 9th-
on the 13th he writes: Death (Afraid?)
on the 14th is a list of 11 things he still needs to do including "get duffel bags", "finish fuses", "finish crickets", etc. Above this list and pointing down to it he wrote-  20th   11:10

I don't know when this was written, because obviously by May 1999 both were dead.
But it indicates that that well before they even bought the duffel bags they'd use, they had decided on the 20th as the date.

Third, I can't find the page number right now but somewhere (I think his journal), several weeks before the attack Eric wrote that they had about 600 rounds of ammunition. Manes only bought them like 100 extra rounds. Seems like a waste to postpone for that amount.

Where did this Manes rumor pop up and does anyone have any info that might change my opinion as to it's validity?
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Apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I couldn't find it.

I hear a lot of people claim that NBK was originally planned for Monday, April 19, but they had to postpone until the 20th because Mark Manes forgot to buy Eric the bullets he wanted and didn't pick them up at KMart until Monday night.

I don't believe this for a few reasons:
On one of the Basement Tapes, done some time in late March or early April, Eric comments that they can't decide whether to do it "before or after prom". Prom was April 17th.
So, just a few weeks before the attack, they still hadn't decided on a day.

Second, pg. 25994, in Dylan's (I think, sometimes when he writes small I confuse his handwriting with Eric's) planner. Written on the week of May 9th-
on the 13th he writes: Death (Afraid?)
on the 14th is a list of 11 things he still needs to do including "get duffel bags", "finish fuses", "finish crickets", etc. Above this list and pointing down to it he wrote-  20th   11:10

I don't know when this was written, because obviously by May 1999 both were dead.
But it indicates that that well before they even bought the duffel bags they'd use, they had decided on the 20th as the date.

Third, I can't find the page number right now but somewhere (I think his journal), several weeks before the attack Eric wrote that they had about 600 rounds of ammunition. Manes only bought them like 100 extra rounds. Seems like a waste to postpone for that amount.

Where did this Manes rumor pop up and does anyone have any info that might change my opinion as to it's validity?

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Do you have any ideas? The rumor has been going on for so long, I'm not entirely sure.


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Apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I couldn't find it.

I hear a lot of people claim that NBK was originally planned for Monday, April 19, but they had to postpone until the 20th because Mark Manes forgot to buy Eric the bullets he wanted and didn't pick them up at KMart until Monday night.

I don't believe this for a few reasons:
On one of the Basement Tapes, done some time in late March or early April, Eric comments that they can't decide whether to do it "before or after prom". Prom was April 17th.
So, just a few weeks before the attack, they still hadn't decided on a day.

Second, pg. 25994, in Dylan's (I think, sometimes when he writes small I confuse his handwriting with Eric's) planner. Written on the week of May 9th-
on the 13th he writes: Death (Afraid?)
on the 14th is a list of 11 things he still needs to do including "get duffel bags", "finish fuses", "finish crickets", etc. Above this list and pointing down to it he wrote-  20th   11:10

I don't know when this was written, because obviously by May 1999 both were dead.
But it indicates that that well before they even bought the duffel bags they'd use, they had decided on the 20th as the date.

Third, I can't find the page number right now but somewhere (I think his journal), several weeks before the attack Eric wrote that they had about 600 rounds of ammunition. Manes only bought them like 100 extra rounds. Seems like a waste to postpone for that amount.

Where did this Manes rumor pop up and does anyone have any info that might change my opinion as to it's validity?

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Do you have any ideas? The rumor has been going on for so long, I'm not entirely sure.


Something popped into my head just now. It was always meant to be Tuesday or at the very least it was meant to be Tuesday for A while before because that Monday (19th) Dylan wrote his 26 1/2 hours to go note in calculus



1. One day, one is the beginning, [?] the end. Hahaha. Reversed, yet true. About 26.5 hours from now the judgment will begin. Difficult, but not impossible, necessary, nerve-wracking & fun.
What fun is life without a little death?
It’s interesting, when I’m in my human form, knowing I’m going to die. Everything has a touch of triviality to it. Like how none of this calculus shit matters. The way it shouldn’t. the truth. In 26.4 hours, I’ll be dead, & in happiness. The little zombie human fags will know their errors, & be forever suffering and mournful. HAHAHAH, of course I will miss things. Not really.

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Something popped into my head just now. It was always meant to be Tuesday or at the very least it was meant to be Tuesday for A while before because that  Monday (19th)  Dylan wrote his 26 1/2 hours to go note in calculus


1. One day, one is the beginning, [?] the end. Hahaha. Reversed, yet true. About 26.5 hours from now the judgment will begin. Difficult, but not impossible, necessary, nerve-wracking & fun.
What fun is life without a little death?
It’s interesting, when I’m in my human form, knowing I’m going to die. Everything has a touch of triviality to it. Like how none of this calculus shit matters. The way it shouldn’t. the truth. In 26.4 hours, I’ll be dead, & in happiness. The little zombie human fags will know their errors, & be forever suffering and mournful. HAHAHAH, of course I will miss things. Not really.

Good catch. Another bit of evidence in favor of the Manes rumor being false.
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Apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I couldn't find it.

I hear a lot of people claim that NBK was originally planned for Monday, April 19, but they had to postpone until the 20th because Mark Manes forgot to buy Eric the bullets he wanted and didn't pick them up at KMart until Monday night.

I don't believe this for a few reasons:
On one of the Basement Tapes, done some time in late March or early April, Eric comments that they can't decide whether to do it "before or after prom". Prom was April 17th.
So, just a few weeks before the attack, they still hadn't decided on a day.

Second, pg. 25994, in Dylan's (I think, sometimes when he writes small I confuse his handwriting with Eric's) planner. Written on the week of May 9th-
on the 13th he writes: Death (Afraid?)
on the 14th is a list of 11 things he still needs to do including "get duffel bags", "finish fuses", "finish crickets", etc. Above this list and pointing down to it he wrote-  20th   11:10

I don't know when this was written, because obviously by May 1999 both were dead.
But it indicates that that well before they even bought the duffel bags they'd use, they had decided on the 20th as the date.

Third, I can't find the page number right now but somewhere (I think his journal), several weeks before the attack Eric wrote that they had about 600 rounds of ammunition. Manes only bought them like 100 extra rounds. Seems like a waste to postpone for that amount.

Where did this Manes rumor pop up and does anyone have any info that might change my opinion as to it's validity?

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Do you have any ideas? The rumor has been going on for so long, I'm not entirely sure.


There are some references from Investigators that the date was supposed to be on April 19
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Apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I couldn't find it.

I hear a lot of people claim that NBK was originally planned for Monday, April 19, but they had to postpone until the 20th because Mark Manes forgot to buy Eric the bullets he wanted and didn't pick them up at KMart until Monday night.

I don't believe this for a few reasons:
On one of the Basement Tapes, done some time in late March or early April, Eric comments that they can't decide whether to do it "before or after prom". Prom was April 17th.
So, just a few weeks before the attack, they still hadn't decided on a day.

Second, pg. 25994, in Dylan's (I think, sometimes when he writes small I confuse his handwriting with Eric's) planner. Written on the week of May 9th-
on the 13th he writes: Death (Afraid?)
on the 14th is a list of 11 things he still needs to do including "get duffel bags", "finish fuses", "finish crickets", etc. Above this list and pointing down to it he wrote-  20th   11:10

I don't know when this was written, because obviously by May 1999 both were dead.
But it indicates that that well before they even bought the duffel bags they'd use, they had decided on the 20th as the date.

Third, I can't find the page number right now but somewhere (I think his journal), several weeks before the attack Eric wrote that they had about 600 rounds of ammunition. Manes only bought them like 100 extra rounds. Seems like a waste to postpone for that amount.

Where did this Manes rumor pop up and does anyone have any info that might change my opinion as to it's validity?

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Do you have any ideas? The rumor has been going on for so long, I'm not entirely sure.


There are some references from Investigators that the date was supposed to be on April 19
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thank you!!

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I know there are a few "scenes" not listed in the basement tapes transcripts (I believe the whole Jewish thing isn't and when Dylan almost shoots Eric in the head are not covered in the transcripts) but what is the story behind Dylan spilling soda on the carpet and Eric freaking out?

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There are some references from Investigators that the date was supposed to be on April 19
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Thanks!

One other thing I find interesting about that article, which was written one year after the attack, is that Kate Battan said Dylan was NOT a follower. "In their goodbye videotapes, Klebold appears to be much more malicious, full of hate and rage at virtually everyone. Harris sometimes appears to be kind, especially when he talks about his "terrific" mother and worrying about how his parents will cope after he's dead."
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There are some references from Investigators that the date was supposed to be on April 19
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Thanks!

One other thing I find interesting about that article, which was written one year after the attack, is that Kate Battan said Dylan was NOT a follower. "In their goodbye videotapes, Klebold appears to be much more malicious, full of hate and rage at virtually everyone. Harris sometimes appears to be kind, especially when he talks about his "terrific" mother and worrying about how his parents will cope after he's dead."


Sue mentions that too but then kind of justifies it by saying he was doing it for Eric. They needed to pump eachother up. Eric was the one encouraging it.

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1) They lean back in their recliners, Eric cradling a shotgun and Dylan playing with a toothpick. When they knock over a pop can they worry that they have made a mess.

2) “Holy shit, that’s scary.” Eric, as Dylan points a gun at the camera and smiles.

3) And the Jewish exchange between Eric/Dylan was revealed by Judy & Sue.

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What's the breakdown for the number of bombs? I've read 99 bombs several times, and that even if the larger bombs (car, cafeteria, etc) had multiple components, they counted it as one, but I don't recall a clear number on the pipe bombs and crickets. I think 76 or something is one number I've seen before, but I guess that would be both pipe bombs and crickets? Sorority seems like the person to know. Doubt the answer will shift my view of the massacre or anything, but I'd appreciate knowing.
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What's the breakdown for the number of bombs? I've read 99 bombs several times, and that even if the larger bombs (car, cafeteria, etc) had multiple components, they counted it as one, but I don't recall a clear number on the pipe bombs and crickets. I think 76 or something is one number I've seen before, but I guess that would be both pipe bombs and crickets?  Sorority seems like the person to know. Doubt the answer will shift my view of the massacre or anything, but I'd appreciate knowing.


Sororityalpha would definitely be the one with the answer. I think either they have a photographic memory, Was secretly one of the investigators on the case or has impeccable notes


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Thanks sorority. Impressive work. A lot to take in for an idiot like me.

Also - I've certainly seen "super crickets" several times, but I never thought to ask what was "super" about them

It looks like books will say there were 6 pipe bombs in Dylan's room and 2 in Eric's, but actually it was 2 pipe bombs in Dylan's room (Vengeance and Atlanta, makes sense) and the 4 in Dylans and 2 in Erics remaining are crickets. Makes sense for Eric to take them all.

Here's the summary
"In all, it was determined that there were approximately 89 I.E.D.S manufactured by the two suspects. These devices were as follows:

21 pipe bombs recovered and rendered safe. 14 pipe bombs functioned as designed in or around the school.

37 CO2 cartridge bombs collected and rendered safe. 8 C02 cartridge bombs functioned as designed in or around the school.

7 incendiary devices collected and rendered safe. 2 incendiary devices functioned as designed. "

So the additional 10 to get 99 must be 10 propane tanks as follows: 2 diversions. 2 car bombs each with 2 propane tanks. The infamous 2 by the cafeteria tables, and 2 in the cafeteria's kitchen.

Also, lots of dud crickets. Also I thought it was interesting there was a single pipe bomb on the roof - that's usually mentioned as if there were several.

Also note "2 incendiary devices functioned as designed. ", so I guess the only Molotovs which functioned were 1) the one you can see Klebold throw on video and 2) the one he set on the table before shooting himself
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Is there a diagram of who was at what table in the library?

In the HD video of the school after the massacre I noticed table 5 was pretty destroyed.

I was wondering where John was sitting compared to others too.

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Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Peter Ball, Jennifer Doyle, Austin Eubanks, Corey DePooter
Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Makai Hall, Dan Steepleton, Patrick Ireland, Kathy Park
Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Matt Kechter, Isaiah Shoels, Craig Scott
Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Heidi Johnson
Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Cassie Bernall, Emily Wyant
Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Aaron Cohn, Byron Kirkland, Andrew Fair, Bree Pasquale, Steven Greenwood, Stephanie Salmon
PN= Patti Nielsen
SC= Steven Curnow
KR= Kacey Ruegsegger
AS= Amanda Stair
ET= Evan Todd
RB= Ryan Barrett
BA= Brian Anderson
JM= Jennifer Matthews
PD= Peggy Dodd
KV= Kyle Velasquez
CW= Carole Weld
LK= Lois Kean

I may be missing some people, if so please let me know. Also, Patti Nielsen started out behind the counter near Evan Todd and hid in the cabinet after a bit. And I wasn't exactly sure where Carole Weld and Lois Kean were- the larger area next to the small room I put them in is labeled RNN and they were in the RNN sound booth, so I assumed that this was the smaller area adjacent.
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Was Brooks' house attacked on one of the Rebel Missions?
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In the HD video of the school after the massacre I noticed table 5 was pretty destroyed.

Only Nicole Nowlen was sat at table 5 prior to the shooting before moving to table 6 where John Tomlin was

One thing that always amazes me is how small the tables looked in that video. It's astonishing really all five girls at table 2 could fit under one.
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What happened with their sunglasses, and Eric's hat?

The sunglasses just seem part of the whole persona they wanted to convey. They wear them in Hitmen for Hire, want to look like Mickey in NBK, etc.  Then they don't wear them during the massacre. A little odd. Ok, maybe they just decided they could see better or whatever. Then again, Eric at Texaco has the sunglasses. Were they on that day up until the bombs were planted? I don't remember them being in their cars, but maybe they were. Curious if we know when and where they took them off, and rather that was planned or not.

And a bit weird Eric doesn't have a hat on, at least not on the cafeteria cctv or the suicide pictures, or in Brooks description of their talk outside. So much matching between them even before the massacre, then on the day he doesn't wear the hat.

Could well be nothing but they wanted to see or the hat got in Eric's way but not Dylan's, but I bet someone out there has an interesting theory tying this together.
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What happened with their sunglasses, and Eric's hat?

The sunglasses just seem part of the whole persona they wanted to convey. They wear them in Hitmen for Hire, want to look like Mickey in NBK, etc.  Then they don't wear them during the massacre. A little odd. Ok, maybe they just decided they could see better or whatever. Then again, Eric at Texaco has the sunglasses. Were they on that day up until the bombs were planted? I don't remember them being in their cars, but maybe they were. Curious if we know when and where they took them off, and rather that was planned or not.

And a bit weird Eric doesn't have a hat on, at least not on the cafeteria cctv or the suicide pictures, or in Brooks description of their talk outside. So much matching between them even before the massacre, then on the day he doesn't wear the hat.

Could well be nothing but they wanted to see or the hat got in Eric's way but not Dylan's, but I bet someone out there has an interesting theory tying this together.

After Dylan died one of his friends got his sunglasses. I don't know where Eric's went to but at one point or another Eric considered wearing a balaclava. That would not be something he would have worn a hat and glasses with. In the end he did not wear it and discarded it outside, but I do wonder if him toying with that idea made him leave the hat and glasses behind

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Nate took a pair of Dylan’s sunglasses before he left town. I don’t think he was allowed to graduate because I’m pretty sure in an interview he said he left and then he came back when Kristi graduated and I think they were both seniors. That leads me to believe he was one of the ones that we weren’t allowed to graduate. I don’t know if Zack was allowed to..

I sometimes wonder if Devon got anything.

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Thanks, but I did know Nate took Dylan's glasses. In fact I do not live far from Nate, though I would never bother him despite the temptation.  I also know about the balaclava. I don't see why it rules out using the hat and sunglasses.

Also, I wouldn't state with confidence that Eric never wore the balaclava. I err on the side that he didn't, but I wouldn't bet much. He took one with him, and that can hardly be brushed aside. He also said he would wear one (though he also said they'd go room to room killing people - maybe the doors were just locked). Strangest of all, Patti Nielson seems to have been shot by Eric. Brian Anderson said Eric shot him. Patti said whoever shot her had something on his head, and it does not sound like Dylan's baseball cap. She said it was like a beret, presumably not flush against the head but sticking up above it. We don't have an image of Dylan's trenchcoat on the library floor to see if there's a balaclava, do we?

Regardless, while it's interesting what happened to Eric and Dylan's stuff after the massacre, I'm curious here about before and during. If they mirrored each other with so much before the massacre including the hats, and mirrored each other even more during, why didn't Eric bring his hat? Did he not want KMFDM blamed? etc.

Same question for the sunglasses, and since Eric has them on in Texaco, and it would make a certain amount of sense for them to wear them while planting the bombs hoping to be inconspicuous, and they seemed to think they looked cool, why not during the massacre? Even if it's  a simple reason like needing to see, when did they take them off? If they were left at home, does that mean they returned home? etc
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Did Eric and Dylan have any major arguments/fights during their friendship together?

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