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 Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?

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PostSubject: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSat Dec 30, 2017 10:11 am

I've noticed some similarities between the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting and the Dunblane Massacre.

1. Both Shooters targeted School Children and their teachers.

2. The Shooters guns were legally purchased.

3. Both Shooters committed suicide.

4. Both Shootings made headline news for weeks.

5. Both Shooters were severally mentally ill.

Also while Hamilton was a paedophile, Adam defended Paedophilia in his posts that he made online. Considering all this and the fact that Adam had a spreadsheet about different mass shootings, I think Lanza was inspired or at least knew about Dunblane.

What do you guys think?

Also sorry if the structure of this post doesn't seem good, this is my first time writing an OP post so please forgive me.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSat Dec 30, 2017 1:00 pm

Well, points 1-5 are pretty common among mass murderers, so it's more likely a coincidence that Hamilton and Lanza share those traits than evidence of any inspiration going on. Lanza did mention Hamilton a few times on the old board (his posts can be found here) but if I remember correctly they didn't indicate that Lanza had any interest in Hamilton that exceeded his interest in any other mass murderer. There was nothing related to the Dunblane shooting on Lanza's external hard drive either. Elementary school shootings are very rare, but it doesn't look like Lanza was inspired by Hamilton more than any of the other killers he studied.

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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSat Dec 30, 2017 3:04 pm

Tommy QTR wrote:

5. Both Shooters were severally mentally ill.


I don't believe Thomas HAMILTON had any mental illness, he did it as an act of revenge because he was a banned scout leader.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 3:00 am

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Tommy QTR wrote:

5. Both Shooters were severally mentally ill.


I don't believe Thomas HAMILTON had any mental illness, he did it as an act of revenge because he was a banned scout leader.
I think Peter Langman said that Hamilton commit the shooting there because he thought that adults at the school were telling kids not to join his clubs.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 7:12 am

Most of those points are very broad, and imo don't indicate any specific connection.

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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 7:46 am

Ah okay, I guess I was just seeing connections where there weren't any, I thought there would be some relation since Sandy Hook was called America's Dunblane by British Media.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 10:11 am

I think Adam probably was attracted to Hamilton's shooting as he targeted children, but as far as motives go they differ greatly. Hamilton targeted Dunblane because the teachers and children had been spreading rumours about him. He believed he had been unfairly branded as a child molester by the staff of the school and that the teachers had been telling these rumours to the students. because of these rumours he lost his job and could no longer run scout groups, leading him to attack Dunblane primary school as an act of revenge.
Adam (in my view) targeted Sandy Hook because of his hatred of society and wish to destroy the thing society cared for most, children. Very different to Hamilton's motive.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 3:04 pm

I think most shooters match this criteria
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 3:46 pm

What about Charles Carl Roberts?
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 6:29 pm

On Hamilton's ED page, there's a part of it that lists some similarities between both events:
-Both shootings started at 9:30
-Both shootings lasted less than 5 minutes
-Main targets were 1st Graders
-Both were deadliest Primary/Elementary school shootings in their countries' histories
-Both shared an interest in pedophilia
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 6:36 pm

InsaneIntruder wrote:
On Hamilton's ED page, there's a part of it that lists some similarities between both events:
-Both shootings started at 9:30
-Both shootings lasted less than 5 minutes
-Main targets were 1st Graders
-Both were deadliest Primary/Elementary school shootings in their countries' histories
-Both shared an interest in pedophilia
Yeah those are better points than I brought up.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Dec 31, 2017 9:44 pm

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I think Peter Langman said that Hamilton commit the shooting there because he thought that adults at the school were telling kids not to join his clubs.
From page 152 of Langman's School Shooters: Understanding High School, College, and Adult Perpetrators:
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"Why did he attack Dunblane Primary? Though he had rented space in other local schools for his boys’ clubs, he had never used this school. Hamilton was convinced, perhaps accurately, that teachers at Dunblane Primary had warned students against enrolling in his programs. He wrote in a letter, “At Dunblane Primary School where teachers have contaminated all of the older boys witht his poison even former cleaners and dinner ladies have been told by teachers at school that I am a pervert.” The same letter, however, noted that such warnings were given to students at “primary schools across the Region.” Even if teachers had warned children to avoid Hamilton, why shoot the children rather than the teachers? Hamilton left no message as to his motive. Perhaps he sought to cause the maximum suffering by killing the community’s children. Alternatively, perhaps he felt so feeble that he targeted the easiest targets he could find, like a cowardly bully who feels tough when he beats up someone half his size."

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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeMon Jan 01, 2018 11:31 am

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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSat Jan 13, 2018 7:28 pm

Yea i think so not solely tho ivthink he was inspired by a number of mass murders and knew the ones who killed children gained more media attention.
He wanted to die but also to be remembered.
P.s martin bryant was inspired by dunblane.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Jan 14, 2018 2:04 am

Smiggles94 wrote:

P.s martin bryant  was inspired by dunblane.

I think a reason Martin Bryant chose port arthur to shoot up instead of a school is because of its remote location, away from armed police.
Bryant would have probably no problem in shooting up elementary schools as he killed 2 little kids anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeSun Jan 14, 2018 5:09 pm

im back!! to answer this post he was most likely not inspired by hamilton but i always wondered due to similarities and even made my own post on this topic
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeTue Jan 16, 2018 8:57 pm

I think he was more likely inspired by Charles Carl Roberts
Also something i found interisting was charles did what he did because he was paranoid about being caught as a peadophille.
Didn’t lanza say he wa having paranoid states maybe he wa harboring a dark secret.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeTue Jan 16, 2018 9:10 pm

Smiggles94 wrote:
I think he was more likely inspired by Charles Carl Roberts
Also something i found interisting was charles did what he did because he was paranoid about being caught as a peadophille.
Didn’t lanza say he wa having paranoid states maybe he wa harboring a dark secret.
Well, I remember hearing about him having a book about Charles' shooting so it's possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton?   Was Lanza inspired by Hamilton? Icon_minitimeWed Jan 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Maybe both Patrick Purdy and Hamilton.
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