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PostSubject: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 3:54 pm

Halfway down there is a photo that I have never seen of Coni Sanders and Sue Klebold, there's also a little blurb.




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SUE KLEBOLD AND CONI SANDERS
Sharing sorrow: Klebold (at left) is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of two teenagers who carried out the 1999 shooting at Colorado’s Columbine High School. Klebold wrote about her experience in A Mother’s Reckoning and donates any profits to mental health charities. She has become a mother figure to Sanders (at right), whose father was killed in the massacre. For years Sanders was angry with Klebold for raising a son who became a killer. But her struggle to raise her own teenagers helped her understand Klebold. “If anyone’s pain is greater than my own, it’s hers,” she says. The women, here at a memorial for the victims in Olinger Chapel Hill Cemetery, now share a strong bond.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 4:06 pm

There is so much emotion in that photo. I like it a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 4:40 pm

I'm glad they found a comfort in each other. If you look back at other interviews from years ago you'd never think Coni would have that kind of relationship with Sue.

I know I have mentioned it before, but I do sometimes wonder if it is a little easier because Eric killed Mr. Sanders, not Dylan... I wonder if the families compartmentalize in that way?

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 4:47 pm

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I'm glad they found a comfort in each other. If you look back at other interviews from years ago you'd never think Coni would have that kind of relationship with Sue.

I know I have mentioned it before, but I do sometimes wonder if it is a little easier because Eric killed Mr. Sanders, not Dylan... I wonder if the families compartmentalize in that way?

I think a fair amount do. Some may fall into thinking that Dylan was a follower too. And since Sue is so vocal now while the Harrises have drawn back into themselves, might be easier for them to sympathize with her

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 5:47 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree 100%!!
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 7:46 pm

This photo is heartbreaking. I had no idea Sue was so close with Coni, it makes me happy that they were able to form a bond even if it's over something so awful :/
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 7:53 pm

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This photo is heartbreaking. I had no idea Sue was so close with Coni, it makes me happy that they were able to form a bond even if it's over something so awful :/

I never knew either!

It’s interesting and really shows how good hearted people can be.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 9:53 pm

I admire Sue as mother. She is so loving, and so tender. Actually I'm really sad about what she is being thru. Hope one day she gonna forgive herself, because it's not her fault at all

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 9:56 pm

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I admire Sue as mother. She is so loving, and so tender. Actually I'm really sad about what she is being thru. Hope one day she gonna forgive herself, because it's not her fault at all

She has the saddest eyes I’ve ever seen. I think all the work she’s doing has to help.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 10:06 pm

I also hope she has forgiven herself. I don’t think she would ever admit it for fear of backlash. But as she said in her book, she is not Dylan. She didn’t kill anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 10:11 pm

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Halfway down there is a photo that I have never seen of Coni Sanders and Sue Klebold, there's also a little blurb.




https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/08/science-good-evil-charlottesville/

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SUE KLEBOLD AND CONI SANDERS
Sharing sorrow: Klebold (at left) is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of two teenagers who carried out the 1999 shooting at Colorado’s Columbine High School. Klebold wrote about her experience in A Mother’s Reckoning and donates any profits to mental health charities. She has become a mother figure to Sanders (at right), whose father was killed in the massacre. For years Sanders was angry with Klebold for raising a son who became a killer. But her struggle to raise her own teenagers helped her understand Klebold. “If anyone’s pain is greater than my own, it’s hers,” she says. The women, here at a memorial for the victims in Olinger Chapel Hill Cemetery, now share a strong bond.

The emotions in that photo are so fake.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeMon Jan 22, 2018 10:38 pm

I'm not talking only about killings, I mean forgive herself for hers son death too, because many people has forgot that she lost her child too, and I think she still love and miss Dylan. Usually parents of children who commits suicide blame themselves whole life, and often going back to that day and thinking "what should I do to prevent it".

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 am

I like that photo, and I really respect Coni. She is very forgiving and understanding, and she even went on to work with criminals to help them out afterwards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] about the emotions in that photo being fake, Coni would probably agree with you on that as there was a photo of her sneezing in one of the newspapers and the text under it said that she was praying and she laughed with Sue about how the media try to exaggerate everything.

I don't know how people could still blame Sue, I mean it took Columbine to happen before people looked out for warning signs like that and if she really knew her son was capable of murder, why did she calmly sleep under the same roof as him?
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 9:27 am

I remember reading that Sue has regular contact with two people who had family die at Columbine, I know Rachel's mum was one of them so I guess Coni Sanders was the other.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 1:25 pm

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I like that photo, and I really respect Coni. She is very forgiving and understanding, and she even went on to work with criminals to help them out afterwards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] about the emotions in that photo being fake, Coni would probably agree with you on that as there was a photo of her sneezing in one of the newspapers and the text under it said that she was praying and she laughed with Sue about how the media try to exaggerate everything.

I don't know how people could still blame Sue, I mean it took Columbine to happen before people looked out for warning signs like that and if she really knew her son was capable of murder, why did she calmly sleep under the same roof as him?

She's said since day one she was never afraid of Dylan.Even that day when he said he was getting really angry, she was afraid for him.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 1:26 pm

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I remember reading that Sue has regular contact with two people who had family die at Columbine, I know Rachel's mum was one of them so I guess Coni Sanders was the other.

Rachel's mom kind of surprises me. I inferred that the mother who told Sue that her daughters death was preordained (so Dylan was always meant to kill her) was Rachel's mom... it's from AMR. I can find the page if anyone wants.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 1:58 pm

IMO, I don’t think Sue’s emotions in that photo are fake. This woman doesn’t have to prove her grief to anyone and she knows it. I doubt anyone questions how heartbroken she is. Why play it up for a camera?
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 2:12 pm

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IMO, I don’t think Sue’s emotions in that photo are fake. This woman doesn’t have to prove her grief to anyone and she knows it. I doubt anyone questions how heartbroken she is. Why play it up for a camera?

It is hard to imagine but of course you'd feel heartbroken going to a memorial for people who your son killed with the daughter of a man your son killed has to be very emotional. Also Sue has always talked about how any kindness can bring her to tears. Take it from someone who has seen her speak in person, the emotions are real.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeTue Jan 23, 2018 11:03 pm

The photo seems so private and personal. I wonder if they knew they were being photographed.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeWed Jan 24, 2018 2:05 am

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Rachel's mom kind of surprises me. I inferred that the mother who told Sue that her daughters death was preordained (so Dylan was always meant to kill her) was Rachel's mom... it's from AMR. I can find the page if anyone wants.
There is a women's Bible study series on Youtube and they had Rachel's mum on one episode the year I'm Not Ashamed came out. She told the host that at first she was furious that the parents had no idea what their sons were planning. But when she learned how deep Rachel went with Christianity and God (and some other examples were given about her other children) she realised she had no idea about her own daughter, and then she came to realise that something similar must have happened with Sue and Dylan. She went on to say they talk from time to time, and keep in contact.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeWed Jan 24, 2018 2:36 am

[quote="Juicy Jazzy"]
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Rachel's mom kind of surprises me. I inferred that the mother who told Sue that her daughters death was preordained (so Dylan was always meant to kill her) was Rachel's mom... it's from AMR. I can find the page if anyone wants.
There is a women's Bible study series on Youtube and they had Rachel's mum on one episode the year I'm Not Ashamed came out. She told the host that at first she was furious that the parents had no idea what their sons were planning. But when she learned how deep Rachel went with Christianity and God (and some other examples were given about her other children) she realised she had no idea about her own daughter, and then she came to realise that something similar must have happened with Sue and Dylan. She went on to say they talk from time to time, and keep in contact.[/quote

That's amazing, thanks for telling me that, I didn't know. That was after the book came out too.
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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeWed Aug 25, 2021 5:32 am

I've always felt so bad for Sue. The fact that she has to live with her son being known as a murderer, taking his own life, and having everyone blame her for what her son did: that has to be really awful. I'm glad that Coni and Sue have comfort with each other

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PostSubject: Re: National Geographic Article   National Geographic Article Icon_minitimeWed Aug 25, 2021 6:37 am

Rachel Scott's mum too they are friends. I love sue.

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