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PostSubject: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 6:26 pm

I find it interesting how divergent the reactions can be to different shootings even when there are the same amount of victims.

Two shootings with very different responses are the Hoddle Street massacre (7 dead, 19 injured), and the Strathfield massacre (7 dead, 6 injured); I excluded Wade Frankum as he was not a victim. There is no memorial whatsoever for the Hoddle Street massacre whereas the Strathfield massacre has a permanent memorial.

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Another two shootings with very different responses are the Monash University shooting (2 dead, 5 injured), and the Sydney siege (2 dead, 4 injured); I excluded Man Monis as he was not a victim. Monash University has swept the shooting under the rug. The room still exists, only now it's an office instead of a classroom. There is no plaque commemorating the victims. However, there is a permanent memorial for the victims of the Sydney siege.

It makes me wonder, what deserves a memorial and what doesn't?
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 6:39 pm

I also wondering about that. But in my opinion press coverage takes huge part in the aftermath. As long they talking about it, a higher chance that crime become more memorable.

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 7:19 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The press coverage definitely made the Sydney siege memorable. I remember that unfolding live on television. No doubt that played a huge part in the aftermath.

However, it's the aftermath of the Hoddle Street massacre that most surprises me. It had much more press coverage than the Strathfield massacre, but is without a memorial.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 7:32 pm

log_1987 wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The press coverage definitely made the Sydney siege memorable. I remember that unfolding live on television. No doubt that played a huge part in the aftermath.

However, it's the aftermath of the Hoddle Street massacre that most surprises me. It had much more press coverage than the Strathfield massacre, but is without a memorial.
I'm not sure why Strathfield massacre have no memorial, but often it's up to victims families to support the idea of memorial.

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 7:51 pm

log_1987 wrote:

Monash University has swept the shooting under the rug. The room still exists, only now it's an office instead of a classroom. There is no plaque commemorating the victims.
Wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 7:58 pm

I think Columbine has 2.one at Clement Park and there is one where Sue and Coni Sanders were photographed

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 8:00 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Do you mean the Hoddle Street massacre? The Strathfield massacre has a memorial, it's the one pictured in the original post. You might be right though. Perhaps it's the fact that the victims' families did not push for a memorial. I'm not sure.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Turns out I am wrong. Where is the plaque located? I was unable to find it. However, my point still stands on the Hoddle Street massacre.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 8:07 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Turns out I am wrong. Where is the plaque located? I was unable to find it. However, my point still stands on the Hoddle Street massacre.
I don't know where it is, however I can give you an article on Monash University's website which includes a picture of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 8:20 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm surprised I never noticed it. I might have even seen it, I must have thought it was just another art installation.

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 9:30 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm, surprised I never noticed it. I might have even seen it, I must have thought it was just another art installation.

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I'm not surprised, considering it's just as the bottom and the main focus of the picture seems to be the art and not the plaque.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeThu Feb 08, 2018 9:49 pm

log_1987 wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Do you mean the Hoddle Street massacre? The Strathfield massacre has a memorial, it's the one pictured in the original post. You might be right though. Perhaps it's the fact that the victims' families did not push for a memorial. I'm not sure.
Yeah, I meant Hoddle Street massacre. I'm just very slow at this time at night.

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 2:44 am

log_1987 wrote:
It makes me wonder, what deserves a memorial and what doesn't?

Something else that mystifies me is how a killer gets their own following. Randy Stair is considered a total joke by and large, but maintains a cult following. Meanwhile William Atchison has been largely ignored. Perhaps part of it is due to Randy's bizzare belief system appealing to others that think like him, while Bill had nothing except his reputation for trolling and being an edgelord.

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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 4:19 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I think Stair's following is due to the fact that he left behind so much material about himself. William Atchison doesn't have that, and his shooting was even more pathetic than Randy's...

Being an edgelord might have been enough, like it was for TJ Lane, but there weren't any videos of Atchison. There isn't that much to discuss, and 2 deaths barely warrant a discussion nowadays.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 8:20 am

Jea wrote:
I also wondering about that. But in my opinion press coverage takes huge part in the aftermath. As long they talking about it, a higher chance that crime become more memorable.


I completely agree. The way something is covered by media outlets does play a significant roll.

This is just one of the reasons why Columbine is still relevant after almost 19 years, while other school shootings gained very little attention and was soon forgotten.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 8:26 am

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Jea wrote:
I also wondering about that. But in my opinion press coverage takes huge part in the aftermath. As long they talking about it, a higher chance that crime become more memorable.


I completely agree. The way something is covered by media outlets does play a significant roll.

This is just one of the reasons why Columbine is still relevant after almost 19 years, while other school shootings gained very little attention and was soon forgotten.

The seniors graduating from CHS this year probably were only 1 or 2 around the time of the shooting so I wonder if now they just think of what happened as something that earned them an extra day off or if it resonates with them at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 8:37 am

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Jea wrote:
I also wondering about that. But in my opinion press coverage takes huge part in the aftermath. As long they talking about it, a higher chance that crime become more memorable.


I completely agree. The way something is covered by media outlets does play a significant roll.

This is just one of the reasons why Columbine is still relevant after almost 19 years, while other school shootings gained very little attention and was soon forgotten.

The seniors graduating from CHS this year probably were only 1 or 2 around the time of the shooting so I wonder if now they just think of what happened as something that earned them an extra day off or if it resonates with them at all?


That is a good question. You would think that it would be something they would think about considering this happened at the school they are in day after day. But it likely doesn't matter to most of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Reactions to mass shootings   Reactions to mass shootings Icon_minitimeFri Feb 09, 2018 1:17 pm

log_1987 wrote:
there weren't any videos of Atchison.

Well actually there were, but they were taken down. Bill had a MediaFire account like Randy Stair, but it was deleted before anyone could take a look at it. Fuck, I'd pay money to see what was on that account.

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