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NOW: On Tuesday April 20th 1999, 19 years ago, Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennett Klebold, both 17 fired their first shots at their High School
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NOW: On Tuesday April 20th 1999, 19 years ago, Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennett Klebold, both 17 fired their first shots at their High School


Actually Eric had just turned 18 on April 9th.
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NOW: On Tuesday April 20th 1999, 19 years ago, Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennett Klebold, both 17 fired their first shots at their High School


Actually Eric had just turned 18 on April 9th.

Woops, my mistake
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NOW: Eric and Dylan enter the library to begin their most notable parts of NBK
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Is it bad that I requested both the Cullen book and Mein Kampf from my school library? 

Making yourself look a little suspicious lol.

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Just left the memorial. Lots of blue and orange. Lots of tears.

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Is it bad that I requested both the Cullen book and Mein Kampf from my school library? 

Making yourself look a little suspicious lol.
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I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad
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I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

I wish there was a way to send love to them or leave flowers for the parents. I’m sure they are a mess today.
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At this moment nineteen years ago, fourteen of the fifteen who died on 4/20 were already died. Dave Sanders was slowly bleeding to death.

By this time, news of the massacre was beginning to spread.

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I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. [smiley][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I wish there was a way to send love to them or leave flowers for the parents. I’m sure they are a mess today.

There are a few Facebook Sue's but her books webpage says she is not on FB so I don't know....



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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. [smiley][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I wish there was a way to send love to them or leave flowers for the parents. I’m sure they are a mess today.

Yeah I wish there was. Must be extremely hard for them.

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Roughly 50 minutes passes on pretty quickly. Even though this was a long one.


So next time it will be 20 years. Twenty. Unreal.
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Roughly 50 minutes passes on pretty quickly. Even though this was a long one.


So next time it will be 20 years. Twenty. Unreal.

I have to agree. I was watching the clock just imagining what would be happening in this moment across the world. It passed way slower than usual, quite odd.

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Roughly 50 minutes passes on pretty quickly. Even though this was a long one.


So next time it will be 20 years. Twenty. Unreal.

I can barely wrap my head around it, watching old videos and reading the documents makes it feel like a week ago sometimes. And then you get off the laptop, go out and realize it's 19 years later and all the cars look modern, people dress very differently and no longer walk around with phones the size of a coke bottle.
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Heyheyhey wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
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I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. [smiley][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I wish there was a way to send love to them or leave flowers for the parents. I’m sure they are a mess today.

Yeah I wish there was. Must be extremely hard for them.


I've lost three members of my family including my mom to suicide and the build up before the anniversary is usually worse then
the actual day of the loss for me.
I know I get depressed, loose my appetite, have trouble sleeping etc as the date approaches but once there the shadow seems to lift.

Suicide is hard because people do not talk or mention or even acknowledge a loss due to suicide. So grieving a loss by suicide becomes a very lonely place.

I imagine this is even worse for murder/suicides. My heart goes out to them. 💔

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1891 wrote:
Roughly 50 minutes passes on pretty quickly. Even though this was a long one.


So next time it will be 20 years. Twenty. Unreal.

I can barely wrap my head around it, watching old videos and reading the documents makes it feel like a week ago sometimes. And then you get off the laptop, go out and realize it's 19 years later and all the cars look modern, people dress very differently and no longer walk around with phones the size of a coke bottle.


To true. It's a very odd feeling when you immerse yourself so deeply into Columbine, then when you resurface and realize that so much time has actually passed since that day unfolded. So many things have changed, yet sadly some things are still very much the same. Sad
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I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.

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Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.



Regardless of how many people like to try to deny it, Eric and Dylan were victims as well. Maybe not in the same sense as the others, but still victims all the same. Sad
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I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.



Regardless of how many people like to try to deny it, Eric and Dylan were victims as well. Maybe not in the same sense as the others, but still victims all the same. Sad
Yea, I agree with that.

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I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.

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Oldmare wrote:
Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.
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Please. Can someone pm me the link to the group so I can join?

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Please. Can someone pm me the link to the group so I can join?
You want the link for the group? The comment I'm talking about happened on the main Facebook page, but if it's the group you want to join, this is the link to that -

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I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.

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Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.
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Oldmare wrote:
Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.
Which page is yours @Jenn ? There are a few.

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sscc wrote:
Oldmare wrote:
Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.
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This makes me wonder if Sue has ever found her way here and read  the threads we have made discussing Dylan. Question

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Jenn wrote:
I made a post today (like I do every year on the anniversary) on the main Columbine Facebook page and Sue Klebold actually commented on it. She told me thank you for making the page using facts and keeping the truth out there and for including all the victims on the page (I imagine she was referring to Dylan and Eric). At first I thought it was someone pretending to be her, but it actually is her Facebook page.



Regardless of how many people like to try to deny it, Eric and Dylan were victims as well. Maybe not in the same sense as the others, but still victims all the same. Sad

Victims of themselves or victims of society?

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6:17 pm. The last of the survivors are out. Many families are still waiting to hear about their loved ones.

It was another day that started beautiful and turned cold.

It may snow tomorrow.

I’m eating dinner and you realize how the world keeps moving forward.

I got to hang out with someone today that I could share the moment with. That was nice. I left flowers. I wish still I would have extended some sympathy to Eric and Dylan’s families today but thoughts will have to do.

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7:43: The sun sets, It is now night time. Though the sun can set that day, it will never set in the minds of those who remember this event and by all the families affected by this

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After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

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After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

The 13 did say goodbye, though they never realized that it will be the last time they will see their families Crying or Very sad
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After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

The 13 did say goodbye, though they never realized that it will be the last time they will see their families Crying or Very sad

You're right Crying or Very sad

I read their goodbye messages and thought it was so different because they knew they were going to die and the rest just just bye, like I will see you later.

I sometimes wonder if Erics parents were gone before he got up.
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I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.
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Regardless of how many people like to try to deny it, Eric and Dylan were victims as well. Maybe not in the same sense as the others, but still victims all the same. Sad

Victims of themselves or victims of society?


@QuestionMark   In their case I truly believe it was an equal measure of both.
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I think Dylan's biggest enemy was himself and he was definitely a victim of himself. They both were but they were also victims of society as well. I'll always believe that was one of the core reasons Columbine happened. There were so many times someone in society could have stepped in and tried to stop this from happening. Eric told his doctor he was homicidal and suicidal and she did nothing about it. She just put him on a different antidepressant and never even mentioned it to his parents.

Another example is the school paper that Dylan wrote about killing people and his teacher never even showed it to his parents. The Brown's put in complaints with the police about Eric. The complaints were bad enough for a judge to sign a search warrant for Eric's house but the idiots over at the police station never even got the paper work together to go and search Eric's house.

Robyn bought them the guns and never even asked why they wanted them. Another grown man sold a 17 year old a freaking Tec 9. That same friend brought Eric ammunition late on a school night and never even thought to ask why Eric needed these bullets right then and there. I could go on and on.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


@Draw_IT_White  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.



@Jenn Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.
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That's really cool. I'm thankful for all that Sue is doing. It must be hard for her. I definitely don't blame the rest of E&D's parents for wanting to  separate themselves from all of it, though.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.



[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.

Most of the time there's always red flags that the shooter leave. William's case isn't talked about as much since he killed a small number of people but he had been throwing up red flags left and right too, almost as many as Cruz, and no-one intervened.

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Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.



@Jenn Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.

Most of the time there's always red flags that the shooter leave. William's case isn't talked about as much since he killed a small number of people but he had been throwing up red flags left and right too, almost as many as Cruz, and no-one intervened.



@QuestionMark  I have heard that William was a known troll, and liked joking around. It's possible that no one realized he was serious until after the fact. Hindsight is a bitch. Sad


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Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


@Draw_IT_White  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

@Screamingophelia Thanks for being my eyes girl! I love you Very Happy

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.


@Screamingophelia  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him! Haha Roll
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl! I love you Very Happy

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him! Haha Roll

I’d heard about that!
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It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

that's really creepy, didn't it snow the day after 4/20 in '99 as well?
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It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

that's really creepy, didn't it snow the day after 4/20 in '99 as well?

Yea, the snow started after Eric and Dylan’s bodies were removed.
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Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


@Draw_IT_White  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

@Screamingophelia Thanks for being my eyes girl! I love you Very Happy

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.


@Screamingophelia  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him! Haha Roll

I’d heard about that!


@Draw_It_White   Sorry Embarassed

But that was my sage advice to ScreamingO if anyone got out of hand, or if she felt threatened in anyway. Twisted Evil  Glad you were a nice guy, and didn't get hurt! Because I have also advised her once before that the best follow up to the throat punch is a hard kick to the groin. Haha
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ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people. Sad

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well. Smile    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl! I love you Very Happy

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him! Haha Roll

I’d heard about that!


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Sorry Embarassed

But that was my sage advice to ScreamingO if anyone got out of hand, or if she felt threatened in anyway. Twisted Evil  Glad you were a nice guy, and didn't get hurt! Because I have also advised her once before that the best follow up to the throat punch is a hard kick to the groin. Haha

I thought a friendly warning was good LOL. He's super nice. We had an interesting day.
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