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PostSubject: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeMon Oct 22, 2018 8:59 am

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Nikolas’ Cruz’s mom thought he was too disturbed to ever live on his own, but she took him to buy an AK-47 anyway, according to documents released Friday by prosecutors in the Parkland school shootings.

An employee from Gun World of South Florida told detectives that an older woman who he thought was Cruz’s grandmother — but likely was his mother, Lynda Cruz — came with him to the Deerfield Beach shop when Cruz bought an AK-47 rifle. He was 18.

That woman later called the store and asked that the gun not be released to him if she wasn’t present “because he’s just young, and I just want to make sure he’s safe and everything,” she told the clerk.

But the employee, Kevin Fanti, told her Cruz was 18 and as an adult was legally allowed to pick up the gun unless she believed he was not fit to own one. The woman told Fanti: “No he’s fine. I just want to make sure he’s safe, you know, he’s young, the first gun,” he told detectives.

Lynda Cruz was 68 when she died of pneumonia in November 2017. Her son had turned 18 a year earlier. She had raised him and his brother — both adopted — as a single parent for many years after losing her husband when Nikolas was a tot.


Cruz is accused of killing 17 staff and students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High on Valentine’s Day of this year. He used a different gun in his arsenal in the assault — an AR-15.

Prosecutors, by law, are releasing documents to the defense, including witness statements that also must be made available to the media. Nearly 200 pages released Friday reveal the strange dichotomy of a woman who was afraid of her troubled son yet indulged his passion for guns.

Lynda Cruz confided to friend Marni Garvey of Coral Springs that Cruz probably would spend the rest of his life with her and would never be able to be independent.

‘She just always used to say: ‘I just want him to get out of high school, I just want him to get out of high school,’” Garvey told a Broward County Sheriff’s Office detective. “She said: ‘I know he’s never going to be able to move out.’”

School records show Nikolas was found to be developmentally delayed at age 3. He also had had a host of other problems, including attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, depression and an emotional behavioral disability. His mother described him to police as autistic.

Garvey said Cruz had “screaming episodes” and would tell his mother to “go f--- herself” and “I wish you to die.”

“He pushed her, you know, he was very violent with her,” Garvey said.

Cruz “used to punch holes in the wall, he used to throw furniture over. He broke TVs, he … was very into guns,” explained Garvey, who said she knew the family for about seven years. Their sons went to camp together.

Cruz was an “odd kid” who “made us all nervous,” she said. Once Cruz hit her son in the head with a ladle. “He was very abusive. He was very, he was a rough kid.”

Garvey said Lynda Cruz used to whisper in the house so Nikolas didn’t hear her talking because she was afraid of his obsession with guns.

Yet, Garvey told detectives: “His mother was the one that took him for the gun.”

Paul Gold, a former neighbor of the Cruz family, told investigators Lynda Cruz was a caring mother but was overwhelmed by two sons with behavioral problems.

“Nikolas had terrible emotional problems, and he had trouble controlling his temper,” Gold said. He said Nikolas could be very sweet but then would “freak out” and “start throwing things and start breaking things and start holding his ears and screaming.”

Nikolas knocked out some of his mother’s teeth and she was still paying the $2,000 dental bills when she died, according to the testimony of a cousin of Lynda Cruz.






I think it has been well established that Lynda Cruz was an enabler. But whether she did it out of fear or love or a mix of both is just a moot point. No
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He knocked out her teeth??? I never heard that until now. Wow.
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He knocked out her teeth??? I never heard that until now. Wow.

Yes, he was very abusive to him mom, especially if/when he didn't get his way or what he wanted. No
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Cruz was the biggest red flag waver in the history of the universe.
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeMon Oct 22, 2018 12:13 pm

I wonder if he could have gone like Adam Lanza and killed her.

Adam's murder of Nancy was premeditated, whereas it seems that Nikolas Cruz would hurt his mother only when he was very angry and Adam's feelings for his mother are ambiguous, Cruz seemed to really love Lynda. Too bad that both Nancy and Lynda Cruz died before we could have their opinions about their son. Lynda seemed to be afraid of Nikolas, which is obvious given the number of time he threatened her or hurt her. I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeMon Oct 22, 2018 12:26 pm

Neah wrote:
I wonder if he could have gone like Adam Lanza and killed her.

Adam's murder of Nancy was premeditated, whereas it seems that Nikolas Cruz would hurt his mother only when he was very angry and Adam's feelings for his mother are ambiguous, Cruz seemed to really love Lynda. Too bad that both Nancy and Lynda Cruz died before we could have their opinions about their son. Lynda seemed to be afraid of Nikolas, which is obvious given the number of time he threatened her or hurt her. I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.


It's true that Nikolas seemed to love his mom. He once told someone that his mom was his only friend. I think Nik had some serious issues and had very little impulse control at all.

I do think Lynda was very much afraid of both Nik and Zach. She had zero control over either one. Both boys had police records a mile long.  I also think she did give in to Nik out of fear and probably in the hopes that he would behave better IF she did get him the things/guns he wanted.
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Neah wrote:
I wonder if he could have gone like Adam Lanza and killed her.

Adam's murder of Nancy was premeditated, whereas it seems that Nikolas Cruz would hurt his mother only when he was very angry and Adam's feelings for his mother are ambiguous, Cruz seemed to really love Lynda. Too bad that both Nancy and Lynda Cruz died before we could have their opinions about their son. Lynda seemed to be afraid of Nikolas, which is obvious given the number of time he threatened her or hurt her. I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.


It's true that Nikolas seemed to love his mom. He once told someone that his mom was his only friend. I think Nik had some serious issues and had very little impulse control at all.

I do think Lynda was very much afraid of both Nik and Zach. She had zero control over either one. Both boys had police records a mile long.  I also think she did give in to Nik out of fear and probably in the hopes that he would behave better IF she did get him the things/guns he wanted.

It must be incredibly difficult to raise two teenage boys, in particular troubled boys, in the same time when you're a single mother.

What surprises me the most is not even that she got him the guns despite his anger issues but that she got him the guns despite his depression, which makes me wonder whether or not she was really aware of how depressed he was. I think it is quite normal for a parent not to imagine the possibility that his son could become a mass shooter. But giving a gun to a depressed person... it is not very hard to know that it is a bad idea. And of course, she was probably afraid of him, but still she loved him, so would she have gotten him the guns if she thought he could kill himself?
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeMon Oct 22, 2018 12:55 pm

Neah wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Neah wrote:
I wonder if he could have gone like Adam Lanza and killed her.

Adam's murder of Nancy was premeditated, whereas it seems that Nikolas Cruz would hurt his mother only when he was very angry and Adam's feelings for his mother are ambiguous, Cruz seemed to really love Lynda. Too bad that both Nancy and Lynda Cruz died before we could have their opinions about their son. Lynda seemed to be afraid of Nikolas, which is obvious given the number of time he threatened her or hurt her. I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.


It's true that Nikolas seemed to love his mom. He once told someone that his mom was his only friend. I think Nik had some serious issues and had very little impulse control at all.

I do think Lynda was very much afraid of both Nik and Zach. She had zero control over either one. Both boys had police records a mile long.  I also think she did give in to Nik out of fear and probably in the hopes that he would behave better IF she did get him the things/guns he wanted.

It must be incredibly difficult to raise two teenage boys, in particular troubled boys, in the same time when you're a single mother.

What surprises me the most is not even that she got him the guns despite his anger issues but that she got him the guns despite his depression, which makes me wonder whether or not she was really aware of how depressed he was. I think it is quite normal for a parent not to imagine the possibility that his son could become a mass shooter. But giving a gun to a depressed person... it is not very hard to know that it is a bad idea. And of course, she was probably afraid of him, but still she loved him, so would she have gotten him the guns if she thought he could kill himself?


Very true. This case is just a mixed up mess all around. Very little about it makes sense. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeMon Oct 22, 2018 1:51 pm

Neah wrote:
I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.

I don't think Nancy was afraid of Adam, I think she was afraid for him. Adam was a reclusive whose mental disorder seemed to be getting progressively worse, he wasn't volatile or aggressive like Nick.

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Neah wrote:
I still wonder how much Nancy was afraid of Adam.

I don't think Nancy was afraid of Adam, I think she was afraid for him. Adam was a reclusive whose mental disorder seemed to be getting progressively worse, he wasn't volatile or aggressive like Nick.

That's what I thought. I wonder if he could have had a more aggressive behaviour with his mother or not, at least from time to time. I can't imagine him being really aggressive to the point of being scary, but I don't throw out the possibility of him telling her to get lost.

But it's true that Nancy probably saw all the guns as a way to protect her and Adam, rather than as a threat to her own life or to Adam's life. Even if I personally wouldn't feel confident as a single mother with a son with mental disorder and guns in the same house.
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeTue Oct 23, 2018 4:55 am

Kinda reminds me of William Atchison and how his dad was there when he bought his Glock.
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PostSubject: Re: Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47   Cruz's Mom escorted him to buy an AK-47 Icon_minitimeThu Oct 25, 2018 12:07 pm

Peter made a good point, Nancy had all those guns and ammo freely lying around and she kept her bedroom door unlocked, so its unlikely she was scared of him.

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I feel a sense of schadenfreude that this vile little turd just came up on a $400,000 inheritance payday but has no way of enjoying it.

His mom still paying off dental bills from his abuse when she died... disgusting.
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