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PostSubject: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 11:02 am

What do you think drove Mark Lepine to commit a mass shooting in Canada? I know that he was supposedly abused by hes father as a Child. Could this have effected hes hatred and misogony?
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 6:14 pm

Mark lepine anti-feminism was a political choice. Nothing to do with his relation with his father, in my french-canadian opinion.

Btw, Montreal is the only city in the world with three school shooting. ;)

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 8:10 pm

I think his childhood and early adulthood did have some affect on his motive for the shooting. He was heavily abused by his father which affect how he was with other people and helped him become more sadistic and less empathetic than others, he did change his name to Marc Lepine when he was 14 because he hated his father. He was also constantly teased and made fun of by his sister who he hated so much that he made a mock grave for her and was overjoyed when she was put in a group home for drug abuse, I think this also started his hatred for women. Psychologists also theorise that Lepine suffered from multiple mental disorders/illnesses such as personality disorder, psychosis, attachment disorder and Asperger's, although this has never been confirmed as was never diagnosed with anything while he was alive. I believe Marc is one of those Mass Murderers who decides to politicise their attack as come up with some reason as to why they are killing people.

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I think his childhood and early did have some affect on his motive for the shooting. He was heavily abused by his father which affect how he was with other people and helped him become more sadistic and less empathetic than others, he did change his name to Marc Lepine when he was 14 because he hated his father. He was also constantly teased and made fun of by his sister who he hated so much that he made a mock grave for her and was overjoyed when she was put in a group home for drug abuse, I think this also started his hatred for women. Psychologists also theorise that Lepine suffered from multiple mental disorders/illnesses such as personality disorder, psychosis, attachment disorder and Asperger's, although this has never been confirmed as was never diagnosed with anything while he was alive. I believe Marc is one of those Mass Murderers who decides to politicise their attack as come up with some reason as to why they are killing people.

I also like to add the fact that his mother was often working and so didn't spend much time at home when he was younger, this might have contributed to his hatred of feminists as he would complain in his later years how women are taking up far more jobs and college courses than they used to.
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 pm

And i think that the society and psychology will always find a way to describe a killer as a crazy person because it's way more easy to apprehend them like that...and, of course, for the psychologist, a good way to justify their own existence...
I am really curious to know how an abusive father can be the cause of anti feminism... why he didnt hate men then?
The change of name because he hated his father is not proven too. An other theory tell us that he was bullied at school because he had an arab name..

Funny how he hated his sister so much like u said, but hey, father fault...need to follow Freud book u know..

Ps i dont really believe in psychology tho.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 9:00 pm

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And i think that the society and psychology will always find a way to describe a killer as a crazy person because it's way more easy to apprehend them like that...and, of course, for the psychologist, a good way to justify their own existence...
I am really curious to know how an abusive father can be the cause of anti feminism... why he didnt hate men then?
The change of name because he hated his father is not proven too. An other theory tell us that he was bullied at school because he had an arab name..

Funny how he hated his sister so much like u said, but hey, father fault...need to follow Freud book u know..

Ps i dont really believe in psychology tho.

Having an abusive father doesn't cause anti-feminism, but it can cause someone to be violent to other people and have less empathy for their fellow human being, hence why a lot of serial killers were usually abused as children. He was bullied for having an Arabic name but the reason he gave was for hatred of his father. And what do you mean you don't believe in Psychology?

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeTue Feb 12, 2019 9:16 pm

I believe in mental disease, but not in modern psychology as a science. It's more like a philosophical point of view about how humanity works.
Best way to prove my point is homosexuality was considered a mental disease until 1973 in Usa, even 1992 in France...so I dont believe everything they said


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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 5:01 am

Interestingly, most mentally ill People are non-violent towards others, from what Ive learned.
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 5:34 am

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Interestingly, most mentally ill People are non-violent towards others, from what Ive learned.
Yet the majority of Mass Shootings are committed by those who are mentally ill.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 6:59 am

Not necessarily, according to reseach.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 7:11 am

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Not necessarily, according to reseach.

Um yes they are, I think if you take 100 mass shootings, 90-99% are committed by those who have a mental illness.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 7:47 am

Sources? Ive seen studies which says otherwise:

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 am

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Sources? Ive seen studies which says otherwise:

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My sources are Mass Murderers themselves, a quick google search that a huge majority of them suffer from some sort of Anxiety, Depression and Schizophrenia and those who are undiagnosed show traits that we can safely assume that there is something wrong with them mentally. I'm not saying everyone with a mental illness is a future mass murderer, of course not, but I think the best way we can stop future tragedies from happening is that we tackle the issue of mental health.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 11:19 am

True, but after reading Dave Cullen and Peter Langman Im not so sure every mass shooters are mentally ill. Heres some of the common perceptions that he thinks are false:

Age, bullying and mental state of mind.

He argues that they are every where from Kids to old. He also suggests that they for the most part do not retaliate against bullies, but theres a number of setbacks, and that theres No public profile of a mass shooter. They are, overwhelmingly male, and a tiny minority happens to be female. Im not so sure what he said about ethnic background, but it seems like most of them have suffered a number of setbacks. Like relationship problems or trauma.
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 11:57 am

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True, but after reading Dave Cullen and Peter Langman Im not so sure every mass shooters are mentally ill. Heres some of the common perceptions that he thinks are false:

Age, bullying and mental state of mind.

He argues that they are every where from Kids to old. He also suggests that they for the most part do not retaliate against bullies, but theres a number of setbacks, and that theres No public profile of a mass shooter. They are, overwhelmingly male, and a tiny minority happens to be female. Im not so sure what he said about ethnic background, but it seems like most of them have suffered a number of setbacks. Like relationship problems or trauma.
Both Cullen and Langman have called Eric Harris a psychopath, even people here have proven multiple times that he is not. Although I like Langman's work on School Shootings (I own both his books) but he's not most reliable source.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 1:17 pm

About only 25% of mass murderers have mental disease according to the FBI studies publish on june 2018...
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 1:30 pm

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About only 25%  of mass murderers have mental disease according to the FBI studies publish on june 2018...
The studies found that 25% of Mass Murderers were diagnosed with mental illness, a lot of them are undiagnosed and go unnoticed because of America dreadful mental health services.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 1:32 pm

That an opinion,not a fact. U can not prove that a dead person had mental disease...

In my opinion; we miss a lots of informations and motives when we follow that single road...

And last question. Do u think that a person with mental disease can make politicals choice, or spiritual choice?
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 1:36 pm

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That an opinion,not a fact. U can not prove that a dead person had mental disease...
No we can't, but we can make safe assessments on the traits they have by how they acted and what they left behind. For example, James Huberty was diagnosed yet it was clear that there was something wrong with him.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 2:09 pm

As far as I know the diagnosis came from professional evaluation, so this wasnt from Cullen, spesifically. Id be rather cautious about one or two two details. I think People should look at the whole perspectives.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 2:17 pm

Can we? What makes you so sure? First off all, I tend to believe that mentally ill People are more victims rather than perpetrators in many cases. Second, psychopaths are very likely more emotionally abusive than to commit murder. So you dont necessarily possess a security threat because you are a psychopath. Thats a failure with threat assessment. You risk looking after the wrong kind of people
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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 2:38 pm

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Can we? What makes you so sure? First off all, I tend to believe that mentally ill People are more victims rather than perpetrators in many cases. Second, psychopaths are very likely more emotionally abusive than to commit murder. So you dont necessarily possess a security threat because you are a psychopath. Thats a failure with threat assessment. You risk looking after the wrong kind of people
Yes we can, if someone is ranting about how they hear voices in their head and see demonic faces everywhere they go, we can make a safe assessment that they have schizophrenia. You don't need to be a psychopath to commit a mass shooting, it's very rare that a mass murderer has anti-social personality disorder (the official diagnosis for a psychopath) the only one I can think of showing traits of it is Thomas Hamilton. Psychopaths are more likely to commit murder than someone who isn't one, that's why most serial killers are usually diagnosed with ASPD. There are mental illnesses that make people violent than just Psychopathy.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 2:44 pm

That doesnt mean they are a threat to People around them. And therefore they shouldnt be treated as such. There is a videspread beøief in society that most mentally ill People are dangerous. From what I know, this isnt exactly correct. A psychopath isnt necessarily violent. They May exercise their authority in other ways. So that In itself doesnt automatically make them a threat
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That doesnt mean they are a threat to People around them. And therefore they shouldnt be treated as such. There is a videspread beøief in society that most mentally ill People are dangerous. From what I know, this isnt exactly correct. A psychopath isnt necessarily violent. They May exercise their authority in other ways. So that In itself doesnt automatically make them a threat
It depends on the person, if someone is saying that they want to kill themselves and others, then they clearly are a threat and need to be treated as such. Mental illness affects people differently, one person with depression may only want to commit suicide while another with depression may want to shoot up a mall, school, council meeting etc. A psychopath doesn't really suffer from their illness, they couldn't really care wherever they have it or not because they lack the basic emotion and empathy for others that people who don't have ASPD have. I agree there is a stigma surrounding mental health, but recognising possible threats isn't adding on to that stigma, it's helping prevent future deaths, wherever that death would be one or multiple doesn't really matter, what should matter that a person with a severe mental illness should get the help that they need.

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the only one I can think of showing traits of it is Thomas Hamilton.
I think Eric Harris would also qualify; I've just finished reading Dave Cullen's Columbine, and from what I read he seems like a total case study in psychopathy, constantly hooking up with women far older than him, writing about his desires to hurt people, constantly lying and manipulating people. From what Cullen told me, he was apparently so skilled at manipulation, that he was able to convince the poor sweet innocent depressed Dylan into going along with his evil "NBK" plot.
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the only one I can think of showing traits of it is Thomas Hamilton.
I think Eric Harris would also qualify; I've just finished reading Dave Cullen's Columbine, and from what I read he seems like a total case study in psychopathy, constantly hooking up with women far older than him, writing about his desires to hurt people, constantly lying and manipulating people. From what Cullen told me, he was apparently so skilled at manipulation, that he was able to convince the poor sweet innocent depressed Dylan into going along with his evil "NBK" plot.
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Yeah Cullen clearly wasn't thinking when he called Eric a psychopath. However, I do believe that Hamilton was acutally a psychopath or at least showed some traits of having ASPD.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeWed Feb 13, 2019 5:40 pm

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it's very rare that a mass murderer has anti-social personality disorder (the official diagnosis for a psychopath) the only one I can think of showing traits of it is Thomas Hamilton.

I'd argue that the mass shooter that demonstrates the most psychopathic features would be Devin Patrick Kelly. Recounting every one of his sadistic actions prior to and during the shooting would easily take up several paragraphs.

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it's very rare that a mass murderer has anti-social personality disorder (the official diagnosis for a psychopath) the only one I can think of showing traits of it is Thomas Hamilton.

I'd argue that the mass shooter that demonstrates the most psychopathic features would be Devin Patrick Kelly. Recounting every one of his sadistic actions prior to and during the shooting would easily take up several paragraphs.
Oh yeah I actually forgot about him, with that I would agree.

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PostSubject: Re: Marc Lepine   Marc Lepine Icon_minitimeThu Feb 14, 2019 2:37 am

Id leave it to the forensics to diagnose. Its kind of hard to have an opinion if you are not an expert in the field. Id say they had plenty of reasons to diagnose EH as a phsychopath, given that Ive read their journals, and the history. He has no remorse for breaking into a van and stealing equipment. He talks about natural selection, how we should get rid of all the weak people. He rips on star wars fans, freshmen, black people, middle easterners, 'rich snotty as kids' etc. Not to mention the many threats against Brooks Brown. But than People like to project Eric as some kind of innocent kid bullied into retaliation. I dont think thats entirely true, when you look at the larger perspective. There are Kids that suffer horrible abuse on a regular basis, but I dont believe that this is enough to create a psychopath, considering they are very likely born that way, studies have found
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