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Are there cases you find so interesting but you are baffled because there is almost no information that could be found about it online? Mine is the Mato Grosso home intruder case:

In 1995 a Brazilian killed a family of six in Mato Grosso, Brazil.

The man first meet with the family in 1990, and has became a friend with them. Five years later the man apparently attempted tried to steal some of the family belongings, including furnitures and appliances. He first killed the father in the family's farm with an axe. The following day he went to the house of the family in the city and killed the mother and her four sons, who were aged between 8 and 16 years, with an axe.

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The V-tech shooting, I know it has some info released but I find the amount released is paltry compared to magnititude of the crime and compared to the info released for other as famous cases (ie. Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook, etc).
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https://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/dunham-james.htm
Well I think why this case did not get much attention was because it was mostly a familicide, which gets less media attention. And it happened in the 19th century. For some reason I think the 19th century was the century with the most familicides, they happened so often that no one really cared about them. But I can be wrong.
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I really like cases of missing or murdered musicians. To see the legacy they left behind in their music compared to their fate is so interesting. I recommend the Mia Zapata murder and the Jim Sullivan disappearance.

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OH! Another really cool case is the Lead Masks Case. Check it out. If you like the supernatural you'll dig it.


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Jiverly Wong.
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Sutherland Springs shooting.

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Santa Fe High School would also count.

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Port Arthur. It’s hard to find information about it online that’s not conspiracy theories.
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Petri Gerdt, mass murderer which blow up himself.
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Virginia tech, Thomas Hamilton, Jiverly Wong, Flemming Nielsen (Aarhus University shooter)


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Petri Gerdt, mass murderer which blow up himself.
The Finnish Wikipedia article is a lot more detailed. If you find it on Google there should be a button you can click that will translate the page for you.
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Vegas Shooting. There’s almost nothing on Stephen paddock. No red flags throughout his life or anything that would catch your attention. I still research it though, finding anything I can.
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Li Chuicai, mass murderer who blow up a school in China in 2001; suspected to be an accident.

Kim, set fire to a South Korean nursing home, killing 21

Gheikichi Ogiwara, Japanese politician who killed eight family members

Unknown, killed 24 members of his family in Hall in Tiroll, Holy Roman Empire, but suspected to be a hoax

Unknown Chinese widow, poisoned 10 guests at her husband's funeral banquet to death, with whom she had been engaged in a feud
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The Durham teen neo-Nazi who was convicted of planning terrorist acts between October 2017 and March of 2019.

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A few of mine:
Santa Fe High School shooting
Volkmarsen carnival car attack
Toronto Spa Stabbing (Incel motivated, killer only 17 so no identity)
Siquijor amok case (the guy killed 32 people with just a knife!)
Kuopio school sword attack
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Might as well post some of the ones I am intersted in:
Sao Paulo State Sanitation Company (or Sabesp, if you prefer) shooting (couldnt find a photo of the shooter yet, but did for the fatal victims).
Martin Peyerl
2013 Daillon shooting

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Jeffrey Weise and Asa Coon, also the '78 Lansing Michigan shooting (many cite national socialism for a contributing factor) outside of Wikipedia, most of the media has forgotten all 3 by now. Asa Coon only succeeded in killing himself, I guess that could be why but for a fat white kid with a Manson shirt you'd think he'd be in the news outside of Ohio Local. Jeffrey Weise copying what Eric Harris said to Valeen Schnurr should have sparked some sick interest as well as his online activities that are still available to this day. Maybe it's good that it didn't, just goes to show you what the media truly cares about.


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Luby's Cafeteria Shooting
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Myyrmani Mall bombing. There's hardly any information on a motive or Petri Gerdt's background. Another one would be the Capital Gazette shooting. I hope some evidence will be released but I doubt it.

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I recently learned about the case of Ray Rivera, who was found dead at a hotel in Baltimore, Marlyand in 2006, amid weird circunstances. I really wanted to know more about it, but apparently it remains only a mystery.
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The 2014 Franklin Regional High School stabbing also has very few details online. Alex Hribal stabbed 20 students and 1 security guard but after a month or so, the media didn't care because no one died. I'm surprised that they all survived. Some of the victims had severe stab wounds, but they're lucky they had modern paramedics on their side. I particularly wish I knew more about Alex's online activity and his planning.

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The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting.
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Noah crooks, the boy who shot his mother to death when she wouldn't let him play cod. In fact, it's so obscure that the way i was introduced to it was by someone on this forum.

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The Delphi killings

You have very little information offline or online. A very low-rez, blurry image of the perp, 2 sketches of him and a few seconds of audio.

Other than that - nothing. Not even information how the kids were killed, if there was a gun or a blunt weapon involved, nothing.
The only thing about the crime that we do know is that they died in the same spot. From the police comments such as that the officers had to "decompress" after seeing bodies and that it was an unusual crime scene where the perp left "signatures" we can assume there must have been some significant post-mortem activity. In one of the press conferences the inspector made an impassioned statement to the killer, one thing he said was that: "They are no longer the way you left them".

So I can only assume the killed did something both cruel and unusual to the bodies. Probably mutilated and defaced them in some way.

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The Delphi killings

You have very little information offline or online. A very low-rez, blurry image of the perp, 2 sketches of him and a few seconds of audio.

Other than that - nothing. Not even information how the kids were killed, if there was a gun or a blunt weapon involved, nothing.
The only thing about the crime that we do know is that they died in the same spot. From the police comments such as that the officers had to "decompress" after seeing bodies and that it was an unusual crime scene where the perp left "signatures" we can assume there must have been some significant post-mortem activity. In one of the press conferences the inspector made an impassioned statement to the killer, one thing he said was that: "They are no longer the way you left them".

So I can only assume the killed did something both cruel and unusual to the bodies. Probably mutilated and defaced them in some way.

Police: Release almost no information about the case, and what little they do release is confusing and contradictory. Also police: "Why hasn't anyone come forward yet?!"

It's so frustrating when they do that. Like they won't even explain why there are two completely different-looking sketches, if it's supposed to be two different guys or just one. Or why all the people who they've publicly considered as suspects don't look anything like the younger-looking sketch, which is supposedly the more accurate depiction. They also claim the suspect is age 18 to 40 but may look younger than their age, even though the blurry image appears to be a middle-aged guy, and most of the guys who they've considered as suspects were middle-aged. So who are we even looking for??
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One case with hardly any information I can find was a school stabbing that took place on the 1 year anniversary of Columbine at Cairine Wilson Secondary High School. A 15 year old student stabbed 4 students and 1 teacher with a kitchen knife. His name was never released, but apparently he admired Eric and Dylan and had pictures of them in his locker.

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"At 11:25 a.m. (EDT), 5 minutes before the students and faculty of Columbine started their closed-to-public 1-year memorial service in their gym, a 15-year-old male student and his friend were arguing on the second floor of their school. The 15-year-old brandished a small kitchen knife and cried out "I'm sick enough to kill." His friend ran down the hall with the instigator close behind. Outside his school's library, the instigator caught up to his friend and began stabbing him in the back. The instigator, in a rage, turned to a witness and threatened to kill him if he didn't leave. Two other male students tried to stop the attacker, but they were unable to do so. The instigator turned the corner in the hallway and saw another male student playing cards. He slashed the boy in the head and on the back before moving on to cause more mayhem. From there, the instigator fled to the school's computer room where a 16-year-old, eleventh grade female student was working on an assignment. He lunged at her and cut her forehead. The boy then stabbed another male student in the arm before turning on the female instructor, puncturing her back with the knife. This was the instructors first day on the job. He then picked up a monitor and threw it through a window. Rebecca Greenwood, a 16-year-old student, helped the second stabbing male student downstairs to the office for aid. Principal Mike Jordan raced upstairs to defuse the situation. Mike managed to get into the computer room and calm the boy down. Mike talked the boy into giving up the knife. No names were released, and all of the stabs were to the back, arms and the head of the victims, (three male students, one female student and one female secretary) all of which survived. The instigator was described as a loner with few friends, a "loser" with greasy hair and acne problems, and the frequent butt of jokes and teasing."

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You have very little information offline or online. A very low-rez, blurry image of the perp, 2 sketches of him and a few seconds of audio.

Other than that - nothing. Not even information how the kids were killed, if there was a gun or a blunt weapon involved, nothing.
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So I can only assume the killed did something both cruel and unusual to the bodies. Probably mutilated and defaced them in some way.

Police: Release almost no information about the case, and what little they do release is confusing and contradictory. Also police: "Why hasn't anyone come forward yet?!"

It's so frustrating when they do that. Like they won't even explain why there are two completely different-looking sketches, if it's supposed to be two different guys or just one. Or why all the people who they've publicly considered as suspects don't look anything like the younger-looking sketch, which is supposedly the more accurate depiction. They also claim the suspect is age 18 to 40 but may look younger than their age, even though the blurry image appears to be a middle-aged guy, and most of the guys who they've considered as suspects were middle-aged. So who are we even looking for??

Yeah the police are making it more confusing than it probably is. I would like to think that this is some elaborate scheme to mess with the killer's mind and his perception of the investigation, but my brain tells me its more likely lack of info and incompetence.

Again: Maybe I'm entirely wrong because I'm not seeing the full picture LE is seeing. But that small part of the picture sure looks like incompetence.

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Yeah the police are making it more confusing than it probably is. I would like to think that this is some elaborate scheme to mess with the killer's mind and his perception of the investigation, but my brain tells me its more likely lack of info and incompetence.

Again: Maybe I'm entirely wrong because I'm not seeing the full picture LE is seeing. But that small part of the picture sure looks like incompetence.

Yeah, usually in these situations it turns out to be incompetence. I wonder what their parents think of how the investigation is being handled, and if they have any more info than the general public.

Although, the two different sketches and suspect descriptions raise the question for me over whether there actually were two perpetrators, and the police are hoping one of them will rat the other out. But in that case, not telling people that isn't going to cause anyone to come forward.

BTW what do you think of the theory that Mark Redwine did it? He does kind of look like Bridge Guy (I can't find info on how tall he is, though -- Bridge Guy was thought to be 5'7" to 5'9"), sounds reasonably close to "down the hill" guy, and apparently had ties to the Delphi area.
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Yeah, usually in these situations it turns out to be incompetence. I wonder what their parents think of how the investigation is being handled, and if they have any more info than the general public.
They do have more info, though I do not know exactly how much more. Kelsi (sister of one of the victims - Libby) is active online and she confirmed that she seen more video footage than the general public did.

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Although, the two different sketches and suspect descriptions raise the question for me over whether there actually were two perpetrators, and the police are hoping one of them will rat the other out. But in that case, not telling people that isn't going to cause anyone to come forward.
Law enforcement openly confirmed that the audio and video are all of one single person. They also refer to "the killer" in singular. So given the audio evidence they have, I'm as sure as I can be that it is one guy.


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BTW what do you think of the theory that Mark Redwine did it? He does kind of look like Bridge Guy (I can't find info on how tall he is, though -- Bridge Guy was thought to be 5'7" to 5'9"), sounds reasonably close to "down the hill" guy, and apparently had ties to the Delphi area.

Well, he was captured in 2017, which would explain no more victims clearly linked to the Delphi killer. He wa salso in Indiana 1 day before the Delphi murders (though in a different place)

But other than that, Redwine killed one person who was his son. The Delphi murderer killed two teens who by all evidence were random "targets of opportunity". That is a pretty different pattern.

Also, LE in the Delphi case repeatedly mentioned "signatures", the murderer did something really specific with the bodies. There is no evidence to think there was anything like that in the Redwine killing.


I can't be sure, but it seems unlikely. I think the Delphi killer is a psychopath that purposely targeted random teen girls and had some specific fetish/signature that was distinct. We have not seen that since, so the question is: "If he is a serial-killer type psychopath, why didn't he kill again since Feb 2017"?

The answers may be simple:
- He is deceased now
- He already did his "specific thing" and never had a reason or desire to do it twice.
- He did his specific thing, but found the experience to be disappointing or downright unpleasant, so he won't do it again.
- ... Or we have just not connected the dots and he will kill again when he feels secure enough. There's always that.

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They do have more info, though I do not know exactly how much more. Kelsi (sister of one of the victims - Libby) is active online and she confirmed that she seen more video footage than the general public did.

I see.

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Law enforcement openly confirmed that the audio and video are all of one single person. They also refer to "the killer" in singular. So given the audio evidence they have, I'm as sure as I can be that it is one guy.

Oh, ok. That makes it even weirder then.

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Well, he was captured in 2017, which would explain no more victims clearly linked to the Delphi killer. He wa salso in Indiana 1 day before the Delphi murders (though in a different place)

But other than that, Redwine killed one person who was his son. The Delphi murderer killed two teens who by all evidence were random "targets of opportunity". That is a pretty different pattern.

Also, LE in the Delphi case repeatedly mentioned "signatures", the murderer did something really specific with the bodies. There is no evidence to think there was anything like that in the Redwine killing.

I can't be sure, but it seems unlikely. I think the Delphi killer is a psychopath that purposely targeted random teen girls and had some specific fetish/signature that was distinct. We have not seen that since, so the question is: "If he is a serial-killer type psychopath, why didn't he kill again since Feb 2017"?

The answers may be simple:
- He is deceased now
- He already did his "specific thing" and never had a reason or desire to do it twice.
- He did his specific thing, but found the experience to be disappointing or downright unpleasant, so he won't do it again.
- ... Or we have just not connected the dots and he will kill again when he feels secure enough. There's always that.

True, but it's possible that a killer could kill different people with different motives. Like how Ed Kemper killed his grandparents impulsively out of rage during an argument, and the rest of his victims were planned and had a sexual/power motive.

Plus, we already know Mark Redwine has both antisocial tendencies and deviant sexual fetishes, and that he doesn't have any qualms about murdering children.

It would explain the lack of further similar murders and why nobody from the area recognized him. And being in Indiana one day before is quite a coincidence considering he lived across the country.
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The Indonesian Slenderman stabbing case. Virtually no other information besides the cited news article and a couple others written in Indonesian. The accused doesn't even have their full name released.

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They do have more info, though I do not know exactly how much more. Kelsi (sister of one of the victims - Libby) is active online and she confirmed that she seen more video footage than the general public did.

I see.

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Law enforcement openly confirmed that the audio and video are all of one single person. They also refer to "the killer" in singular. So given the audio evidence they have, I'm as sure as I can be that it is one guy.

Oh, ok. That makes it even weirder then.

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Well, he was captured in 2017, which would explain no more victims clearly linked to the Delphi killer. He wa salso in Indiana 1 day before the Delphi murders (though in a different place)

But other than that, Redwine killed one person who was his son. The Delphi murderer killed two teens who by all evidence were random "targets of opportunity". That is a pretty different pattern.

Also, LE in the Delphi case repeatedly mentioned "signatures", the murderer did something really specific with the bodies. There is no evidence to think there was anything like that in the Redwine killing.

I can't be sure, but it seems unlikely. I think the Delphi killer is a psychopath that purposely targeted random teen girls and had some specific fetish/signature that was distinct. We have not seen that since, so the question is: "If he is a serial-killer type psychopath, why didn't he kill again since Feb 2017"?

The answers may be simple:
- He is deceased now
- He already did his "specific thing" and never had a reason or desire to do it twice.
- He did his specific thing, but found the experience to be disappointing or downright unpleasant, so he won't do it again.
- ... Or we have just not connected the dots and he will kill again when he feels secure enough. There's always that.

True, but it's possible that a killer could kill different people with different motives. Like how Ed Kemper killed his grandparents impulsively out of rage during an argument, and the rest of his victims were planned and had a sexual/power motive.

Plus, we already know Mark Redwine has both antisocial tendencies and deviant sexual fetishes, and that he doesn't have any qualms about murdering children.

It would explain the lack of further similar murders and why nobody from the area recognized him. And being in Indiana one day before is quite a coincidence considering he lived across the country.

Yep, it is a possibility. If Law enforcement has DNA from the Delphi case, they could compare it (my bet is that they do not have it though).

The other thing is: we only know that Redwine picked up these refrigeration units in Indiana that February, but LE knows for sure when and where he delivered them.
Most truckers are one a pretty specific and narrow timetable. So if he picks up these units on Feb 12th, then I would assume he shouldn't have enough time to be out gallivanting for the whole day of February 13th and still be in time for the delivery.

So, if he was late with the delivery (especially a significant delay of 12 hours or more) than that would be in the records of his company as well as the place he was delivering to. Given the fact that LE does not seem to be interested in him with regards to Delphi I would tend to assume that they checked his delivery documents and saw that he couldn't have made the delivery in the time that he did if he was still in Delphi on Feb 13th afternoon.

That's speculation on my end, but this would explain all the facts we know of with regards to him, LE and the case.

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Yep, it is a possibility. If Law enforcement has DNA from the Delphi case, they could compare it (my bet is that they do not have it though).

I also think they probably don't have any DNA and the water from the creek was probably used to remove forensic evidence.

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Most truckers are one a pretty specific and narrow timetable. So if he picks up these units on Feb 12th, then I would assume he shouldn't have enough time to be out gallivanting for the whole day of February 13th and still be in time for the delivery.

So, if he was late with the delivery (especially a significant delay of 12 hours or more) than that would be in the records of his company as well as the place he was delivering to. Given the fact that LE does not seem to be interested in him with regards to Delphi I would tend to assume that they checked his delivery documents and saw that he couldn't have made the delivery in the time that he did if he was still in Delphi on Feb 13th afternoon.

That's speculation on my end, but this would explain all the facts we know of with regards to him, LE and the case.

Oh ok. For some reason I've found it difficult to find information online on Redwine's whereabouts at the time of the Delphi murders, so I actually didn't know he was on such a strict timetable. I guess it depends on where he delivered them. Technically though, we don't know if they are interested in him. We don't know who they're considering and they probably won't say anything unless they have probable cause for an arrest.
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I agree with you on that one. I'd be curious to know more about the killer, but since it's in a less well known country it's not surprising there isn't much information online. There's quite a few cases similar to this one, but they just don't get a lot of media attention unless it's in a country like the US or UK or if certain details stand out like the age of the 2014 Slender Man stabbers.

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Yep, it is a possibility. If Law enforcement has DNA from the Delphi case, they could compare it (my bet is that they do not have it though).

I also think they probably don't have any DNA and the water from the creek was probably used to remove forensic evidence.

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Most truckers are one a pretty specific and narrow timetable. So if he picks up these units on Feb 12th, then I would assume he shouldn't have enough time to be out gallivanting for the whole day of February 13th and still be in time for the delivery.

So, if he was late with the delivery (especially a significant delay of 12 hours or more) than that would be in the records of his company as well as the place he was delivering to. Given the fact that LE does not seem to be interested in him with regards to Delphi I would tend to assume that they checked his delivery documents and saw that he couldn't have made the delivery in the time that he did if he was still in Delphi on Feb 13th afternoon.

That's speculation on my end, but this would explain all the facts we know of with regards to him, LE and the case.

Oh ok. For some reason I've found it difficult to find information online on Redwine's whereabouts at the time of the Delphi murders, so I actually didn't know he was on such a strict timetable. I guess it depends on where he delivered them. Technically though, we don't know if they are interested in him. We don't know who they're considering and they probably won't say anything unless they have probable cause for an arrest.

I do not know what was his timetable. But most professional truckers, especially those who do not run their own business, are on a timetable and their wages depend in part on getting the delivery done in time.

Maybe it was a really lax deadline for that specific delivery? We can't know for sure. But I think it is very unlikely that he had a timetable that would allow him to actually pick up a product on Feb 12th and then spend the whole day of Feb 13th doing some personal stuff instead of being on the road.

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I do not know what was his timetable. But most professional truckers, especially those who do not run their own business, are on a timetable and their wages depend in part on getting the delivery done in time.

Maybe it was a really lax deadline for that specific delivery? We can't know for sure. But I think it is very unlikely that he had a timetable that would allow him to actually pick up a product on Feb 12th and then spend the whole day of Feb 13th doing some personal stuff instead of being on the road.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I meant that I wasn't able to find information online stating that the reason he was in Indiana on Feb 12th was for truck driving purposes. Or where he was delivering the items to and when he picked them up. It is possible that maybe the delivery location wasn't that far away, so he delivered it later on the 12th or early on the 13th, and then had time to go back. Also, according to the law, truckers must have a 10-hour rest period after every 14-hour work period.

He probably isn't the killer though.
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Nathan Desai. He was an Indian lawyer who shot and injured 9 people near a mall before he was killed by police. He wore a Nazi uniform during the shooting, and ironically enough, was in a Jewish fraternity in college.

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One Goh, the 2012 Oikos University shooter. His school shooting was pretty large scale, it was the 3rd deadliest college shooting in the US, and 7th deadliest school shooting in the US, yet for some reason there's very few details that were released about the shooting or the shooter. The police never even released his cause of death when he died in prison! But regardless, I'm starting to do a little research on him.

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A few others:
Brandon Scott Hole (I know he was a brony, had mental issues, etc. but haven’t seen any photos or posts from his online social media and former Facebook page, which was taken down quickly)
Liu Shibing (Chinese school shooter who used homemade guns)

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Most cases in Japan are either obscure or largely behind a language barrier, and almost all attacks in China are heavily censored. The Zhaodong massacre comes to mind, although there's plenty of other attackers whose names were barely even released.
Closer to home, I'm still interested in Andrew Wurst and Nathaniel Berhow, although the information for both is pretty limited, at least as far as I've seen.
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Not sure if this counts but Olga Hepnarová. There's not much about her in English, but I imagine there's more in Czech.
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The Selfie Killer. He stabbed his teacher to death, took a photo with the body (hence the selfie moniker) then killed himself by cutting his neck open. Almost no information on him except for the photos of him with his teachers body, his suicide and his name. The Erfurt Shooting also comes to mind.

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