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The first mass shooting in Virginia since Cho Seuing Hui way back in 2007.

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Tommy QTR wrote:

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Yeah this is a very "classical" disgruntled employee going postal.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Yeah this is a very "classical" disgruntled employee going postal.

Going Postal shootings have kinda disappeared over the last few years, they were prevalent during the 80s and 90s however by the 2000s they had been replaced by School Shootings and now by White Supremacist terror attacks.

He used 2 .45 ACP semi-Automatic pistols, one with a suppressor.

DeWayne Craddock:
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DeWayne Craddock in highschool in 1995
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And in 1996
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It was reported today that Craddock put in a letter of resignation that Friday morning. His employer is stating that he did not lose his job nor was he in peril of losing it.

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

It was reported today that Craddock put in a letter of resignation that Friday morning. His employer is stating that he did not lose his job nor was he in peril of losing it.

Well, that's certainly an interesting twist. I've been reading that he was fired this whole time which makes sense for the whole "going postal" narrative. Interesting that he was the one to quit the job prior to the shooting. Makes me wonder more what his motives were for the shooting if not that he got fired?

Craddock reminds me of Christopher Dorner, just going on looks.

Perhaps this was a revenge for alleged discrimination in the workplace type deal, and Craddock is just a straight, smarter and better armed version of Vester Flanagan.

It does make for a strange turn of events. Washington Post just announced that the man in the car that was killed was the outside contractor just going in for a permit; he was not a worker at that building. I was going to put this off as just a “postal” event, but now I’m getting more curious as more info is released. It is quite possible it was a workplace discrimination, that is a very good thought.

Craddock’s email of resignation.
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Thank you for sharing the email! This case got bizarre when it was noted that he resigned rather than being fired. I was thinking about the whole discrimination thing, but people of color were among those dead as were both men and women. You would think if it were over discrimination he might have targeted a certain group. Even someone who didn't work at the office was killed. Perhaps he just sort of snapped one day?

You’re very welcome. “Snapped” may be a possibility. I do hope they find some more info on what may have caused this. He notes personal reasons for leaving his position. Wonder if that’s true or if this may have been preplanned.

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

You’re very welcome. “Snapped” may be a possibility. I do hope they find some more info on what may have caused this. He notes personal reasons for leaving his position. Wonder if that’s true or if this may have been preplanned.

I feel like resigning only hours before committing the shooting had to be a preplanned idea rather than just something coincidental.

Absolutely. Also, having a suppressor might be a sign of it being preplanned. Many witnesses claimed they thought the sound was farther away and then suddenly he was on top of them.

Tommy QTR wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Yeah this is a very "classical" disgruntled employee going postal.

Going Postal shootings have kinda disappeared over the last few years, they were prevalent during the 80s and 90s however by the 2000s they had been replaced by School Shootings and now by White Supremacist terror attacks.  

White supremacist attacks? Can you name me a few?

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Absolutely. Also, having a suppressor might be a sign of it being preplanned. Many witnesses claimed they thought the sound was farther away and then suddenly he was on top of them.

He also apparently had extended magazines for his pistol so it seems to me that it was preplanned rather he just "snapped". This email is interesting in that there is basically no call or need for it if he intended on shooting up the place hours later or maybe in his mind he intended to serve as a cryptic prelude for things to come even though there's nothing really in the email that would suggest he was about to go on a shooting spree.

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Absolutely. Also, having a suppressor might be a sign of it being preplanned. Many witnesses claimed they thought the sound was farther away and then suddenly he was on top of them.

He also apparently had extended magazines for his pistol so it seems to me that it was preplanned rather he just "snapped". This email is interesting in that there is basically no call or need for it if he intended on shooting up the place hours later or maybe in his mind he intended to serve as a cryptic prelude for things to come even though there's nothing really in the email that would suggest he was about to go on a shooting spree.

Maybe it was a bit more complicated. I can imagine that this guy might've idly thought about killing people for a while (hence the purchases of extended mags and a suppressor), but was never fully committed to the idea until the very day he decided to do it.

I think it largely depends on what the circumstances behind his resignation was. I feel like he made a snap decision to go on a shooting spree instead of a quiet resignation.

QuestionMark wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Absolutely. Also, having a suppressor might be a sign of it being preplanned. Many witnesses claimed they thought the sound was farther away and then suddenly he was on top of them.

He also apparently had extended magazines for his pistol so it seems to me that it was preplanned rather he just "snapped". This email is interesting in that there is basically no call or need for it if he intended on shooting up the place hours later or maybe in his mind he intended to serve as a cryptic prelude for things to come even though there's nothing really in the email that would suggest he was about to go on a shooting spree.

Maybe it was a bit more complicated. I can imagine that this guy might've idly thought about killing people for a while (hence the purchases of extended mags and a suppressor), but was never fully committed to the idea until the very day he decided to do it.

I think it largely depends on what the circumstances behind his resignation was. I feel like he made a snap decision to go on a shooting spree instead of a quiet resignation.

Yeah, that's what I mean by "snapped". He just decided to shoot up his workplace rather than something happening to make him want to shoot up the workplace. He took some time to plan it first before going on the spree, but something inside the guy just "snapped" and he decided to go on the spree. I don't really mean it in a last minute decision sense. It was clear this was something he planned. But I am thinking maybe there really weren't any circumstances that made him want to shoot up his workplace other than a desire to do just that.

This reminds me of Gary Martins shooting back in February. Dewayne Craddock is like a worse version of him

DanielGardner wrote:

This reminds me of Gary Martins shooting back in February. Dewayne Craddock is like a worse version of him

Gary Martin: Postal shooter. Jr.

Dewayne Craddock: Postal shooter. Sr.

(If you don’t get it, I could explain the reference)

The email was sent at 12:41 PM and the shooting began at 4:10 PM. It will be kind of interesting to see what all the perpetrator was doing during that time frame.

He worked there for 15 years so the workplace discrimination theory doesn’t seem likely.

If you read the email it is short and to the point. However, the tone doesn’t seem angry at all. In fact, he even writes “It has been a pleasure working for Virginia Beach.” That sure doesn’t sound like someone holding a grudge, disgruntled, or “snapped.”

I just found an article that is stating one of the victims told her husband the night before the shooting that she wished she could bring a gun to work with her for her protection. Victim said the night before that she was concerned about Craddock and one other person at the workplace.

true_crime wrote:

The email was sent at 12:41 PM and the shooting began at 4:10 PM. It will be kind of interesting to see what all the perpetrator was doing during that time frame.

He worked there for 15 years so the workplace discrimination theory doesn’t seem likely.

If you read the email it is short and to the point. However, the tone doesn’t seem angry at all. In fact, he even writes “It has been a pleasure working for Virginia Beach.” That sure doesn’t sound like someone holding a grudge, disgruntled, or “snapped.”

It can be really, really hard to read tone over the computer. Also, he might have intentionally written a calm email. A very angry or harsh email would draw attention for sure. Writing a calm resignation email makes it easier for him to just come in and shoot up the place without people expecting it to happen.

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

I just found an article that is stating one of the victims told her husband the night before the shooting that she wished she could bring a gun to work with her for her protection. Victim said the night before that she was concerned about Craddock and one other person at the workplace.

Could you re-post the article? I haven't heard any news reports stating that Craddock's co-workers were afraid of him or concerned by his behavior, so this might shed some new light on the case. IMO, the story sounds a bit fishy.

Absolutely. Here you go.

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SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Absolutely. Here you go.

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Thanks!

QuestionMark wrote:

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Absolutely. Here you go.

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Thanks!

It’s my pleasure. I do hope we get some more info on this one. I’m really curious as to his motives. I’ll def post any new news I hear.

Not much of anything new except for the fact that the victim who told her husband she wanted to bring a gun to work because she was scared of someone was NOT Craddock. She was referring to another employee that they let go that day. Her husband stated that the victim told him the night before that this other employee had spoken of shooting up the place in the past.

SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Not much of anything new except for the fact that the victim who told her husband she wanted to bring a gun to work because she was scared of someone was NOT Craddock. She was referring to another employee that they let go that day. Her husband stated that the victim told him the night before that this other employee had spoken of shooting up the place in the past.

I wonder what that guy thinks of what happened.

Tommy QTR wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Yeah this is a very "classical" disgruntled employee going postal.

Going Postal shootings have kinda disappeared over the last few years, they were prevalent during the 80s and 90s however by the 2000s they had been replaced by School Shootings and now by White Supremacist terror attacks.  

Were George Hennard, Woo Bum-kon, Martin Bryant and Stephen Paddock's attacks "going postal shootings"?

KMFDM wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

UncontinuedProcess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

It's been a while since the US has had a traditional mass shooting.

Yeah this is a very "classical" disgruntled employee going postal.

Going Postal shootings have kinda disappeared over the last few years, they were prevalent during the 80s and 90s however by the 2000s they had been replaced by School Shootings and now by White Supremacist terror attacks.  

Were George Hennard, Woo Bum-kon, Martin Bryant and Stephen Paddock's attacks "going postal shootings"?

No, a going postal shooting is when someone commits a mass shooting at their workplace (usually because they were fired).

Read another article in regards to the victims family that originally claimed she wanted to bring a gun to work for protection. The Nixon family is claiming the victim knew Craddock was not a model employee, going against what the investigators are stating about him. They feel the state isn’t being transparent in regards to the investigation and they want an independent one done. They also want more employee info on Craddock released.
I keep my eye out for this case but it’s all tight lipped as of right now. I’ll link the article.
Also, found some pics from outside of Craddock’s house. Looks like he had lots of security cameras placed around his windows. Found those on heavy.com

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SenSpiritedAway wrote:

Read another article in regards to the victims family that originally claimed she wanted to bring a gun to work for protection. The Nixon family is claiming the victim knew Craddock was not a model employee, going against what the investigators are stating about him. They feel the state isn’t being transparent in regards to the investigation and they want an independent one done. They also want more employee info on Craddock released.
I keep my eye out for this case but it’s all tight lipped as of right now. I’ll link the article.
Also, found some pics from outside of Craddock’s house. Looks like he had lots of security cameras placed around his windows. Found those on heavy.com

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Damn. Why would he need all of those security cameras?

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Damn. Why would he need all of those security cameras?

Easy, he was keeping an eye out for Slender Man, or the demon from Paranormal Activity.

QuestionMark wrote:

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Damn. Why would he need all of those security cameras?

Easy, he was keeping an eye out for Slender Man, or the demon from Paranormal Activity.

LMAO. He actin like Hello Neighbor.