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Just wondering if Cruz successfully blending in with fleeing students is unprecedented or not.
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Just wondering if Cruz successfully blending in with fleeing students is unprecedented or not.

No. Tim Kretschemer successfully evaded police after shooting up Winnenden high school, attempting to steal a car at a car dealership before getting corned and killing himself.

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Just wondering if Cruz successfully blending in with fleeing students is unprecedented or not.

No. Tim Kretschemer successfully evaded police after shooting up Winnenden high school, attempting to steal a car at a car dealership before getting corned and killing himself.

Right on. Hadn't heard of Kretschemer. That's an interesting shooting.
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Marshall County High School Shooting: Gabe Parker stopped shooting, threw down his weapon, and joined classmates in the weight room, hoping to blend in and escape. A student recognized him as the shooter, who alerted a teacher who then called the police.

Westside Middle School Shooting: Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden stockpiled Johnson’s mother’s van in hopes of escaping. They were apprehended while getting to the vehicle.

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Marshall County High School Shooting: Gabe Parker stopped shooting, threw down his weapon, and joined classmates in the weight room, hoping to blend in and escape. A student recognized him as the shooter, who alerted a teacher who then called the police.

Something just occurred to me: Cruz's cell phone search history revealed that he actually had looked up this particular shooting. I think it might be possible he was doing some imitating.

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Marshall County High School Shooting: Gabe Parker stopped shooting, threw down his weapon, and joined classmates in the weight room, hoping to blend in and escape. A student recognized him as the shooter, who alerted a teacher who then called the police.

Something just occurred to me: Cruz's cell phone search history revealed that he actually had looked up this particular shooting. I think it might be possible he was doing some imitating.

Perhaps it was because of how close in time the Marshall County High School shooting was to Cruz’s rampage? Douglas Stoneman happened on February of last year, whereas Marshall County High School occurred on January 23. Perhaps it was the last shooting before Cruz’s.

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Isn't Luke Woodham the classical example of this kinda of behavior?
Oh, and Wayne Lo.
Also, not exactly school -shooters-, but Felix Ngumbao and Davis Opiyo both did escape their initial site of amok.
In an even more obscure example we have Robério Souza de Oliveira.
Bai Ningyang and Walter Seifert also did the same thing, although they weren't pupils at the respective schools that they targeted.
Wu Huanming, if i'm not mistaking, decided to an hero off-site too.
Yan Yanming was arrested in the day following his rampage, as he als so attempted to off himself in a place other than the one he trashed at his massacre.
I could be wrong, but, IIRC, Zheng Minsheng did the same.
One L. Goh surrendered to authorities at a random supermarket, about five miles away from the scene of the shooting.
Edward Allaway also attempted to escape (despite he being an staff, not a student).
Ove Andersson is another good example.
Nathaniel Brazill just didn't manage to fit the -mass- shooter archetype, but he also qualifies.

The are inumerable cases of this tatic being employed in school shootings. Isn't all that interesting, to be honest.
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A 14-year-old boy who shot and killed two of his classmates at a school in Finland in 1989 escaped from the crime scene.

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And I thought the police response to the Christchurch massacre was bad, how does a guy literally just walk up to a school, shoot 34 people, and then just walk out, and not be captured for an entire hour.

It is surreal, and what makes it more surreal is Cruz is not a criminal mastermind, to say the least, the fact that he was able to shoot 34 people and then just walk to McDonalds is the weirdest thing ever. Also, it really does show how unaffected he was from doing this, definitely wasn't crying when he escaped, only cried when he had to face the music of his actions.
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Marshall County High School Shooting: Gabe Parker stopped shooting, threw down his weapon, and joined classmates in the weight room, hoping to blend in and escape. A student recognized him as the shooter, who alerted a teacher who then called the police.

Something just occurred to me: Cruz's cell phone search history revealed that he actually had looked up this particular shooting. I think it might be possible he was doing some imitating.
I'm pretty sure you're right. I believe he even left a YouTube comment behind on a video of the shooting saying "Man, I could do so much better" but I'm not sure if that was the one.

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We had two relevant cases in Mexico:


On April 11, 2018, Omar, a 17-year-old high school student, shot and killed his classmate Luis Alfredo, 21, with a .380 caliber pistol inside the school building they attended, then Omar ran 230 meters from the school to his home, which is two blocks away, and killed himself.

On August 23th, 2001, fifth semester student Ocobachi Morales, 17, pulled out a .25 caliber pistol from among his clothes to shoot and wound the prefect Edgardo Gutiérrez. The student then fled the scene, but within minutes he was found dead from a bullet in his chest from his own gun. It's unknown if the student accidentally fired the gun or committed suicide.
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And I thought the police response to the Christchurch massacre was bad, how does a guy literally just walk up to a school, shoot 34 people, and then just walk out, and not be captured for an entire hour.

Could be worse. Could be a mass shooting that starts at a military base and continues across an entire city, lasting over seventeen hours and featuring the shooter posting live updates to his Facebook page and even sharing memes in-between killing.

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On May 27th, 2019, a 14-year-old student with the initials M.A.C., entered the Patagonia College, located in Puerto Montt, Los Lagos region, Chile, wearing a military jacket and a mask from the Netflix hit show ''Money Heist'', and shot and wounded a fellow classmate with a .22 caliber revolver before fleeing the scene and being arrested.

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Tim Kretschmer fled the scene After the shooting at Albertville-School. He forced a Man to drove him away. Luckily,the man was able to get out of the car and saved his life(probably the lives of others too cause he managed to keep the shooter away from killing more while they drove arround,he tried to calm him down.) Besides him all the others who where mentioned in this Thread before.
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On July 4th, 2013, 19-year-old Alexandre Esteves dos Santos opened fire at the Efigênia de Jesus Werneck State School with a .38 caliber revolver, injuring two people before heading home, where he would be arrested and confess to the crime.
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On February 2nd, 1960, 44-year-old Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers at William Reed Elementary School before fleeing into a forest, where he killed himself.

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Brenda Spencer went back to her home across the street after attacking Cleveland Elementary and was reached by a reporter over the phone.
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Brenda Spencer went back to her home across the street after attacking Cleveland Elementary and was reached by a reporter over the phone.

Bruh she shot up the school by sniping from her house.

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I also forgot the Nashville Waffle House shooting. Semi-nude Travis Reinking opened fire, killing four innocent customers, then ran into the forest beside the restaurant. Police captured and arrested him after a 38 hour manhunt.

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Just wondering if Cruz successfully blending in with fleeing students is unprecedented or not.

No. Tim Kretschemer successfully evaded police after shooting up Winnenden high school, attempting to steal a car at a car dealership before getting corned and killing himself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kretschemer confront someone over their car and travel a short distance?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kretschemer confront someone over their car and travel a short distance?
He did, that's how he came to arrive at the V.W. dealership. The driver bailed out of his car end escaped.

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