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PostSubject: Brown Family- Incorrect Statements/Lies/Any Falsehoods    Brown Family- Incorrect Statements/Lies/Any Falsehoods  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 26, 2020 2:07 am

Hey everyone! I was trying to put together a list of everything incorrect the Brown family has ever said about the shooting, the victims, the aftermath and especially about Dylan and Eric. I want it to be super thorough so I was hoping everyone here might be able to help.

I think it would be great to have compiled so people who aren't aware of the lack of credibility the Browns have in a lot of instances, it can all be in one place that's easy to go over.

To start:

-Dylan was madly in love with Rachel and she knew and didn't reciprocate.
-Dylan was on Luvox (Eric's medication) to increase his anger for the shooting.
-Eric came over with guns and threatened Dylan's family and Judy Brown, and Dylan went along with the shooting to spare the people he loved.
-Eric shot Dylan (or is it vice versa? I always get it mixed up)
-Sue and Judy were best friends up until the shooting.
-Dylan gave Brooks Eric's website to warn him about the threats he made against him.
-Teenagers with mental illness need to diet and exercise and they'll be fine because psychiatry and pharmacology are evil.

If anyone thinks of or comes across another, go ahead and post it here.

Thank you!!!

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I can’t decide who has the most hatred - you for the Browns or LPorter for Dave Cullen...
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I can’t decide who has the most hatred - you for the Browns or LPorter for Dave Cullen...

Hatred is too strong an emotion to waste on someone like Cullen.

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Look no further than Eric's journal for proof.
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Eric's rant about Brooks Brown is unforgettable. I always laugh at "Thee Button".
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I can’t decide who has the most hatred - you for the Browns or LPorter for Dave Cullen...

I don't think Cullen ever personally insulted me for being mixed race, or started rumors about me being a drug addict and juvenile delinquent. Or attacked my dying mother and was an all around bitch to her. Or in Brooks case, bullied my sister for being stupid, vapid, a piece of ass, etc. since she was a child. That's just a few things off the top of my head after our family being neighbors with them for 30 plus years.

If everything they said was true I'd just let people know they're awful and leave it at that. But they insist on pushing these things that most people who were involved with the shootings in the community know aren't true. So I like to use that knowledge to warn researchers who might feel inclined to believe everything they say.

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I can’t decide who has the most hatred - you for the Browns or LPorter for Dave Cullen...

I don't think Cullen ever personally insulted me for being mixed race, or started rumors about me being a drug addict and juvenile delinquent. Or attacked my dying mother and was an all around bitch to her. Or in Brooks case, bullied my sister for being stupid, vapid, a piece of ass, etc. since she was a child. That's just a few things off the top of my head after our family being neighbors with them for 30 plus years.

If everything they said was true I'd just let people know they're awful and leave it at that. But they insist on pushing these things that most people who were involved with the shootings in the community know aren't true. So I like to use that knowledge to warn researchers who might feel inclined to believe everything they say.

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yes, i believe that LPorters dislike for Cullen is a MUCH different situation. LPorter does a lot of Cullen rants that are funny and kind of parrot when many people think of his book. I forgot if you said this, but have you gotten feedback on what others in the community feel about his book? From what I heard, there is no middle ground. Either survivors and community members are like "this is so accurate" and others are like "this is bull shit" I haven't asked my friend yet, they are just reading Sue's book right now and I think that's a lot right now. 

The Browns were cruel to you and your family Sad which is unacceptable. I also don't like the fact that they tried to take over the narrative for Sue and Tom. They had to listen to their lawyers, and it wasn't just about them speaking out right away, they were mourning, they were hated, there were so many other components.

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Ivan wrote:
Look no further than Eric's journal for proof.

Are you referring to Eric rant against liars on his little website, where he cites Brooks by name? Because otherwise you'd have to be more specific about which of Eric's writings disputes a lie told by the Brown family.

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Hey everyone! I was trying to put together a list of everything incorrect the Brown family has ever said about the shooting, the victims, the aftermath and especially about Dylan and Eric. I want it to be super thorough so I was hoping everyone here might be able to help.

I think it would be great to have compiled so people who aren't aware of the lack of credibility the Browns have in a lot of instances, it can all be in one place that's easy to go over.

To start:

-Dylan was madly in love with Rachel and she knew and didn't reciprocate.
-Dylan was on Luvox (Eric's medication) to increase his anger for the shooting.
-Eric came over with guns and threatened Dylan's family and Judy Brown, and Dylan went along with the shooting to spare the people he loved.
-Eric shot Dylan (or is it vice versa? I always get it mixed up)
-Sue and Judy were best friends up until the shooting.
-Dylan gave Brooks Eric's website to warn him about the threats he made against him.
-Teenagers with mental illness need to diet and exercise and they'll be fine because psychiatry and pharmacology are evil.

If anyone thinks of or comes across another, go ahead and post it here.

Thank you!!!
Wait, what is the story here? When and where did they tell these lies?
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Hey everyone! I was trying to put together a list of everything incorrect the Brown family has ever said about the shooting, the victims, the aftermath and especially about Dylan and Eric. I want it to be super thorough so I was hoping everyone here might be able to help.

I think it would be great to have compiled so people who aren't aware of the lack of credibility the Browns have in a lot of instances, it can all be in one place that's easy to go over.

To start:

-Dylan was madly in love with Rachel and she knew and didn't reciprocate.
-Dylan was on Luvox (Eric's medication) to increase his anger for the shooting.
-Eric came over with guns and threatened Dylan's family and Judy Brown, and Dylan went along with the shooting to spare the people he loved.
-Eric shot Dylan (or is it vice versa? I always get it mixed up)
-Sue and Judy were best friends up until the shooting.
-Dylan gave Brooks Eric's website to warn him about the threats he made against him.
-Teenagers with mental illness need to diet and exercise and they'll be fine because psychiatry and pharmacology are evil.

If anyone thinks of or comes across another, go ahead and post it here.

Thank you!!!
Wait, what is the story here? When and where did they tell these lies?

Pretty much since the very beginning. In their books, their interviews.... every time they speak.
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Hey everyone! I was trying to put together a list of everything incorrect the Brown family has ever said about the shooting, the victims, the aftermath and especially about Dylan and Eric. I want it to be super thorough so I was hoping everyone here might be able to help.

I think it would be great to have compiled so people who aren't aware of the lack of credibility the Browns have in a lot of instances, it can all be in one place that's easy to go over.

To start:

-Dylan was madly in love with Rachel and she knew and didn't reciprocate.
-Dylan was on Luvox (Eric's medication) to increase his anger for the shooting.
-Eric came over with guns and threatened Dylan's family and Judy Brown, and Dylan went along with the shooting to spare the people he loved.
-Eric shot Dylan (or is it vice versa? I always get it mixed up)
-Sue and Judy were best friends up until the shooting.
-Dylan gave Brooks Eric's website to warn him about the threats he made against him.
-Teenagers with mental illness need to diet and exercise and they'll be fine because psychiatry and pharmacology are evil.

If anyone thinks of or comes across another, go ahead and post it here.

Thank you!!!
Wait, what is the story here? When and where did they tell these lies?

Pretty much since the very beginning. In their books, their interviews.... every time they speak.
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If Dylan had dieted and exercised from his weight of ~140 lbs he may have become brain damaged or severely anorexic. What a bunch of crap those statements are.
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I wont say lies, as I think thats a bit off, and e everyone can remember the wrong things. Our memory wont be
100% accurate at all times(false memories), yet,there are certain things that I would say seems highly questionable

1: ' Dylan and Eric were the bottom two kids at the entire school'. IDK Where Brooks gets this from, but I have certain issues with this one. Did he pick this up from the media? Yet, the fact is, that other statements by close friends have said that they werent really as outcasts as they were made out to be. They had multiple friends so obviously, I cant make sense out of that statement.

2: Randy Brown: Eric killed Dylan. This seems waay to good to be true.

3: Randy Brown: 'Crazy is easy'. The problem with this argument is that we are not talking about crazy in the sense that most people would define as crazy. Yet, its a fact that most school shooters have a problem with mental illness, combined with social problems.

Its not 'crazy is easy'. Its how much is 'crazy' and how much is environmental factors, i e, Bullying, lack of social status, etc.


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I wont say lies, as I think thats a bit off, and e everyone can remember the wrong things. Our memory wont be
100% accurate at all times(false memories), yet,there are certain things that I would say seems highly questionable

Agreed. Having said that, I get the feeling that Brooks is doing more than just mis-remembering the events, I believe he is projecting his own beliefs and his own issues with CHS onto E&D.

There are instances where Brooks had the same problems with CHS that E&D had (all 3 seem to have felt there was too much born-again christian influence for example), but there's issues where Brooks seems to have been bothered by thing sthat didn't bother E&D and vice versa.



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1: ' Dylan and Eric were the bottom two kids at the entire school'. IDK Where Brooks gets this from, but I have certain issues with this one. Did he pick this up from the media? Yet, the fact is, that other statements by close friends have said that they werent really as outcasts as they were made out to be. They had multiple friends so obviously, I cant make sense out of that statement.
Agreed. I said it a million times on the forums, but I can repeat: E&D were not in the top 20% of the most popular people, but they were not outcasts. They had many groups they were a part of and whoise activities they wey invited to: TCM, the computer geeks, the group playing fantasy baseball. Sure, maybe those were the less-mainstream kids, but E&D were not alone.

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2: Randy Brown: Eric killed Dylan. This seems waay to good to be true.
I have no idea wher he got it from. Maybe it was just a rumor he repeated, or misunderstood?

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3: Randy Brown: 'Crazy is easy'. The problem with this argument is that we are not talking about crazy in the sense that most people would define as crazy. Yet, its a fact that most school shooters have a problem with mental illness, combined with social problems. Its not 'crazy is easy'. Its how much is 'crazy' and how much is environmental factors, i e, Bullying, lack of social status, etc

Agreed.

Brooks appears to be an extrovert. For him everything that he didn't like about CHS is about interactions with other people - bullies, biased teachers, over-importance of sports etc.

Dylan was an introvert, he lived inside his head. If you read Dylan's journal you see that 90% + problems he had were with his emotions and his existential struggles. The "injustice of the school" that Brown mentions so prominently doesn't even appear in Dylan's writings.


That's my issue with Brooks - things that were super-important to himself (jock culture, bullying, unjust teachers) were by all evidence just lesser annoyances to E&D. But Brooks makes them up to be the main reasons behind the shooting, because these are the issues that would cause himself to stand against the school.
He is overestimating the environmental factors, underestimating the internal mental states of the killers.





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-Teenagers with mental illness need to diet and exercise and they'll be fine because psychiatry and pharmacology are evil.

How is this a lie? I've had psychiatrists that say the same thing. Pharmacology IS evil.
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