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Dylann Roof didn't plan to shoot up the College of Charleston. Quoted from his jailhouse journal, "I never planned on shooting up the College of Charleston. This is ridiculous and has no basis in reality."

I'd say his original target was most likely the Columbiana Center mall he was banned from.

Also I didn't know that about Robert but it seems like something he'd try to do lol.

emanresu wrote:

robert hawkins | wanted to shoot up westroads mall with his friends

Source? I remember reading in that one article he wanted to just kill himself or get into an unspecfic "standoff".

QuestionMark wrote:

emanresu wrote:

robert hawkins | wanted to shoot up westroads mall with his friends

Source? I remember reading in that one article he wanted to just kill himself or get into an unspecfic "standoff".

I think he's referencing in a suicide note addressed to his friends where he says "You guys have always been there for me I'm just sad that I'm gonna have to go this alone."

Something else worth bringing up is this detail reported by Rolling Stone

"In private, feeling alone and desperate, he wrote out a suicide note. "Nothing ever seems to work for me. And I know that nobody will ever really understand. I am always in debt, and I probably always will be. I'm not going to lie and say I'm not afraid. But whatever happens I know it can't be too bad when you die." Then he closed by begging whoever found his body to hide his suicide from Kaci. "Just please, I don't want Kaci or her family to know what I've done." But instead of acting on the note, he shoved it in a bookcase in his bedroom at the Marucas, where it would not be found until two weeks after the shooting."

Meaning he initially considered killing himself quietly.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold discussed hijacking a plane and flying it into New York, or doing something akin to the Oklahoma Bombings. Dylan also expressed that he wanted first to commit the shooting with Nate Dykeman.

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Daniil Monakhov wanted to shot up his school, but her grandmother had worries when he went to get the shotgun that was in her apartment, so she stopped him, but he in response kill her and then shot a neighbour that was worried and went to the scene after hearing gunshots, he then shot at people that were at a bus stop, he then ran away to a forest where he killed himself. Basically his original plan has stopped by her grandmother.

If I recall correctly, Michael Carneal brought so many guns so that the goth kids could join in.

Andrew Wurst initially planned on only killing himself, not others. He seemed to change his mind last minute.

To elaborate on McVeigh (from Wikipedia): "Instead of attacking a building, he had contemplated assassinating Attorney General Janet Reno; FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, who had become infamous among extremists because of his participation in the Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges. McVeigh claimed he sometimes regretted not carrying out an assassination campaign."

Kim Dae-han (of the 2003 Daegu subway fire) just wanted to kill himself in a public place, but passengers who tried to stop him spilled his flammable liquid and started the fire. He survived, but died of chronic illness in 2004.

Also, a small list of planned suicides / death by cop that never happened:
Patrick Wood Crusius
Kip Kinkel
Alvaro Rafael Castillo

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Also in his diary he wrote down among the options for his plan, to kill at least one person and flee home to commit suicide in his room.

lognifiiskurk wrote:

Dylan also expressed that he wanted first to commit the shooting with Nate Dykeman.

Was it ever established who Dylan's first (or second) pick was?

margaflor wrote:

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Wait; did he ever mention burning his house? I know that he thought about burning himself.

Cho Seung Hui wanted to do his shoot against American Idol (Tell me if I'm wrong)

Alex213 wrote:

margaflor wrote:

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Wait; did he ever mention burning his house? I know that he thought about burning himself.

I remember hearing he say something like that in some of his suicide tapes.

margaflor wrote:

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Also in his diary he wrote down among the options for his plan, to kill at least one person and flee home to commit suicide in his room.

In one of his suicide tapes he flipped a coin to decide whether he'd just kill himself in his room or shoot up the supermarket. Also he originally planned to kill just his boss (Brian Hayes) then flee the scene to kill himself in his room. He also thought about killing himself by jumping off of a building or setting himself on fire.

margaflor wrote:

Alex213 wrote:

margaflor wrote:

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Wait; did he ever mention burning his house? I know that he thought about burning himself.

I remember hearing he say something like that in some of his suicide tapes.

Yeah, something along the lines of “throwing gasoline on himself and lighting a match”. He didn’t say anything about his house (or I don’t think… he said way too many things), though. It’s an important detail, because if he did, I would take that as if he hated his whole family even at a young age (even assuming that his family would have not been inside the house at the time).

One more thing, just something I remembered… there’s also this (from Absolution), from January 2015. Also, he threw gasoline on the box that he burned:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

He always put little hints of what he was planning to do on his content; not only with EGS, but ever since 2014 when he started seriously planning to take his own life. (This may sound as overanalyzing, but if you don’t believe me go watch the intro for the Pioneers Productions Anthology, that one hour and a half video from mid-2014)

Alex213 wrote:

margaflor wrote:

Alex213 wrote:

margaflor wrote:

Randy Stair initially planned to commit suicide by setting his house on fire with him inside(sort of like Ember Mcclain's backstory)

Wait; did he ever mention burning his house? I know that he thought about burning himself.

I remember hearing he say something like that in some of his suicide tapes.

Yeah, something along the lines of “throwing gasoline on himself and lighting a match”. He didn’t say anything about his house (or I don’t think… he said way too many things), though. It’s an important detail, because if he did, I would take that as if he hated his whole family even at a young age (even assuming that his family would have not been inside the house at the time).

Oooh yes, I checked the tapes again and it was a mistake of my interpretation, sorry.  I had been confused by several things, mainly because Randy talked about many things at once and then ember and then set his house on fire, so my memory vaguely remembered it like that.  Also because i remembered an animation where it appeared on a newspaper that his house was on fire.  I think I got confused mostly by those points.

Faisal Mohammad's original plan was quite interesting:
"His original plan had been to use the tape to bind the other students to their desks and report the situation to police, steal a gun from a responding police officer, and use it to murder students who had refused to include him in their study group. He had also planned to cut someone's head off. He intended to spread the petroleum jelly on the floor to make responding police slip and fall while he stole their guns."

A student attacked him with classroom furniture and disrupted everything, however. He ended up injuring 4 in a mass stabbing before being shot by police (likely in a suicide by cop.)

diabolus wrote:

I'd say his original target was most likely the Columbiana Center mall he was banned from.

There's nothing to suggest this.

The odd questions he put to mall/store staff were likely part of a misguided attempt to get a job. This incident happened in late February 2015, and Dylann didn't even own the firearm used in the church shooting at this point.

The second time he was arrested for trespass at the Columbiana Center, he did own the firearm, but was not documented to have had it on his person at the time. He had probably just forgotten that he was banned.

There is also speculation, I believe from the owner of the Sandy Hook Lighthouse website, that Adam Lanza may have considered targeting St. Rose of Lima Elementary School, which is in Newtown.

The basis for this speculation is that the Garmin GPS system that Adam used whilst driving recorded a journey that ended at the elementary school.

Karl Pierson:
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He killed one student, injured two, then killed himself in the library for an unknown reason.

Trey Sesler wanted to commit murder when he was 13, almost a decade before he killed his family.
His first plan was to call 911 on a "suspicious shadow" outside his home, club the responding police officer, and kill a schoolmate at his home. He tried this, it failed miserably, and he was evaluated by a child psychologist.
His targets later in life were the Waller High School football stadium during a crowded homecoming game, committing a vehicle ramming / shooting at Hempstead Watermelon Festival, or ramming his car into the Waller High School cafeteria then "basically do the same thing that Kip Kinkle did except that instead of a .22 rifle, it would be a more high powered rifle."

Patrick Purdy stalked a high school and middle school but settled on Cleveland Elementary School for his target.

Wellington de Oliveira talked about bombing his school someday and recreating 9/11 by crashing a plane into Rio de Janeiro's Christ the Redeemer. Considering his possibly schizophrenic status, it would not suprise me if these were ideas he genuinely considered.

Robert Smith

Had originally though of opening fire inside his high school but eventually chose to attack in the rose-mar college of beauty his original plan as he entered. Was to bind the women inside and then tie plastic sandwich bags around their heads and watch them suffocate. But once he realised that the bags were to small to fit around a head he opened fire instead with his handgun.

Morne Harmse

Originally discussed with his friends how they would perform a massacre the weekend before the attack he messaged a friend if the bomb he was building was ready who told him it was. All while not realising he was the only being serious. On the day of the attack when he was the only there he decided to go alone with the plan.

Aaron Ybarra originally wanted to attack Washington State University or other schools, but decided Seattle Pacific was closer and easier.

Luke Woodham was going to attack his school with six other students in his friend group known as "The Kroth". The 7 boys would wear all black and practice satanism. They planned to assault Pearl High School and a mall in Jackson, Mississippi before fleeing to Cuba through New Orleans and Mexico and doing armed robberies along the way to get funds. For the attack on the school they planned to cut the phone lines, place explosives in strategic areas, and then do a full on assault before fleeing. They had designated getaway drivers and mapped out escape routes. Luke however wasn't going to escape with the others, his role was to die during the attacks, either by suicide or in a shootout with police. The attack was supposedly going to happen five days after the date Woodham did his shooting, it's unknown why he started early.

Here's an excerpt from The Sheltered Storm about Jeff Weise's original plans:
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Karl Pierson:
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He killed one student, injured two, then killed himself in the library for an unknown reason.

I think the ultimate reason was because the SRO was closing in on him and he realized he had only a limited time before he could commit suicide.

Jesse Olsen (2013 Oulu school stabbing) wanted to commit a school shooting, talking online about how he would "kill the whole school" if he had a gun. His stabbing seemed to be due to an inability to get a firearm.

Correction: Andrew Wurst did not just intend suicide. He wanted to kill 9 people then himself (presumably, his magazine had ten bullets.)
Andrew Golden and Mitchell Johnson probably wanted to open fire during lunch recess, but the ground was muddy, so Andrew had to pull the fire alarm to get targets.

Pekka Eric Auvinen considered opening fire in the Finnish Parliament building "because of the corrupt nature of politicians". As while as a shopping mall but ultimately decided on his high school as he felt this would attract the most public attention.

In 1986, 32-year-old Vagner (or Wagner) dos Santos original plan was to only rape 8-year-old Érica Regina Simões in Ibiuna, São Paulo, Brazil. When her brother warned his parents about the attempted sexual attack, dos Santos had an rage attack. He killed the parents with wood blows. Also, he raped the mother. When he ambushed the children, he beat them and injured them both. He then killed two other adults (I saw in the report that it was Érica parents or something like that, but it made me confused.)

He then attempted to barricade himself in his house but was arrested by the police chief. He was almost lynched.

Source: Homem tenta violar menina de oito anos e mata 4 pessoas

This has to be one of the most disturbing cases I found today.

James Holmes wanted to use bombs (too "regulated" and "suspicious,") biological agents (that "destroy the mind,) or serial killing in national forests.

Bastian Bosse originally had a hitlist in his journal with 'Primary Targets' but eventually settled on his target being his school because "I wasn’t just in one class, no, I went to the entire school. The
people who are at the school are by no means innocent! Nobody is!"

Brenton Tarrant planned to post "One like and I burn down a mosque," like the post, then comment "Say no more" prior to his attack. He neither did this nor burned down the mosque.

Michael Ryan most likely wanted to be a serial killer, but his killing of Susan Godfrey in Savernake Forest sent him into some kind of psychotic spiral that helped in his decision to go on a murder spree

Jesse Osborne was planninng to attack West Oak school with an axe and machete (or at the very least, fantasizing about it.)

Stephen Paddock also searched for La Jolla Beach, Santa Monica Beach, Grant Park, Las Vegas Academy of the Arts Performing Arts Center, Gary Reese Freeman Park, Cashman Center, Neon Museum, the Mob Museum, and Discovery's Children's Museum, suggesting that he at least considered them for potential targets.

Karl Pierson also considered "shooting up the asylum or whatever the fuck it was that my mother took me for that psych evaluation." His anger toward Mr. Murphy likely drove him towards his school as a target instead.

(Source.)

Eric Harris original plans to bomb the cafeteria at Columbine High School. The bombs were set to go off at 11:17 am, when the cafeteria was at full capacity, which failed to detonate.

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Jesse Osborne wanted to steal his Dad's assault riflew with the goals of killing 20-30 kids and killing himself (Lanza seemed to be his main influence) but his various attempts at getting the password to his gun safe failed, such as recording his dad doing it and using glow-in-the-dark dish soap to get fingerprints.

Richard Farley claimed he waited for Laura Black to leave work so he could convince her to take back the restraining order. If she refused, he intended to kill himself.

A note from the official report on the Christchurch shootings on what Tarrant's original plans might have been:
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Elliot Rodger - Originally wanted to carry out his attack at Halloween 2013 but decided to change the date as he felt that there would be to many cops around in the area and so they would be able to take him down quicker. As well as he later planned to kill his step mum and younger half brother as well and planned to do this on a weekend his dad would be away on a business trip as he felt that he would be unable to kill his dad.

In Pekka-Eric Auvinens 'hitlist' he wrote "Shoot Alcoholics"

Alexandre Bissonnette - On November 26 2016 he drove to one of the largest shopping malls in canada with two handgun's and fifty round's in his backpack he got out of his car and loaded one of the gun's. Before thinking "What am i Doing" noticing a security camera he changed his mind and went to a starbucks to work on his laptop for a bit before heading home.

lognifiiskurk wrote:

In Pekka-Eric Auvinens 'hitlist' he wrote "Shoot Alcoholics"

He also reportedly thought of shooting up a mall/shopping center, and possibly the Finnish Parliament building (because of his hatred of politicians) but ultimately decided on Jokela High School since it would give him the most attention (Though I dont think he was doing it for fame, rather, he wanted attention to his views and not himself)

I guess by shooting alcoholics he probably thought about shooting up a bar.

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Guilherme taucci and Guilherme grilo initially wanted to kill the boyfriends of the girls in the school, and other people (an estimated 50 victims) then commit a sexual assault on the girls, kill them, and put the bodies in shameful poses.

margaflor wrote:

Guilherme taucci and Guilherme grilo initially wanted to kill the boyfriends of the girls in the school, and other people (an estimated 50 victims) then commit a sexual assault on the girls, kill them, and put the bodies in shameful poses.

That’s such a fantastical plot and it reminds me of Elliot Rodger’s absurd original plan.

Stinkfist wrote:

lognifiiskurk wrote:

In Pekka-Eric Auvinens 'hitlist' he wrote "Shoot Alcoholics"

He also reportedly thought of shooting up a mall/shopping center, and possibly the Finnish Parliament building (because of his hatred of politicians) but ultimately decided on Jokela High School since it would give him the most attention (Though I dont think he was doing it for fame, rather, he wanted attention to his views and not himself)

I guess by shooting alcoholics he probably thought about shooting up a bar.  

I always thought it was odd that he didn't do a more political attack because of his views and how committed he was to them, though I guess he thought that he could get revenge at the school and bring attention to his views at the same time by attacking it.

Lyndon McLeod wanted to kill Jeremy Costilow. Instead, he broke into his house, shot at him while he fled but missed, and then set his van on fire.

If his book Sanction was meant as a fictionalized depiction of how he wanted his shooting to go (which, given how the victims have the same names, locations, and methods of murder, seems likely), he also wanted to target more locations, including a car dealership and a marijuana dispensary, as well as naming more real people from the Denver area he wanted dead. (It's like a hitlist, if a hitlist was also 2000+ pages of rambling about CRISPR, racial IQ disparities, and chimpanzee society.)

However, the book also involved more than a thousand 'teams' murdering 18,834 people all across Colorado, a number which would make Elliot "Kill Everyone In This City Of 27 Thousand" Rodger envious, as well as his Gary Stu self insert 'Jack' (not to be confused with the character literally named Lyndon McLeod, who also murders people the real Lyndon dislikes) travelling to the east coast to murder various progressive activists and journalists. It's a bizarre power fantasy, through and through.