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Victim is Edward Jagst Carnifexs name is Hayden Jagst
UPDATE ADDED BY JENN:
On Monday, June 21, 2021, at 10:30 AM, forum member @Carnifex879 (real name Hayden Jagst) murdered his father (Edward Jagst) and is now in police custody.
So far, the only details I have is that he shot his father while he was asleep in bed and then left in his car when his sister called 911.
The police got ahold of him and convinced him to pull over, give the police his location so he could turn himself in (which he did) and he's now in police custody.
As more details are made available, I will update this thread or feel free to add any updates you/articles you may find.
Here are a few articles that I've read about this case.
Victim is Edward Jagst Carnifexs name is Hayden Jagst
Wow. I live nearby. Googled his name to see if there were more news articles. An Instagram popped up under his name and the bio is:
"Hayden J Never kill anyone! It’s a mortal sin and it will ruin your life and many others."
I always enjoyed his posts. Had no idea was someone living nearby. Sad event.
EDIT: I don't know if this is true because it was not confirmed, so if this is not true my sincere apologies for the misunderstanding. So im waiting that this be confirmed
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Victim is Edward Jagst Carnifexs name is Hayden Jagst
Fuck, fuck, damm. Are you kidding? My fucking God, this fucking sucks. Like I talk to him, he comment on some of my videos, talk on discord, fuck. This is so shocking to me, like I knew he had problems, but didn't thought it would end like this. Fuck. I like his posts damm. I don't what to say really. Damm.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 am
How to we know that this is Carnifex879? Did he ever say his name or show his face?
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:08 pm
lognifiiskurk wrote:
How to we know that this is Carnifex879? Did he ever say his name or show his face?
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Victim is Edward Jagst Carnifexs name is Hayden Jagst
Well, these are almost certainly the right names even though they still haven’t been officially released. The house appears to be the same as in the facebook pictures. I don’t want to speculate further yet.
Victim is Edward Jagst Carnifexs name is Hayden Jagst
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2021/06/22/canton-police-officer-allegedly-slain-son-brighton-home/5306669001/ Well shit the victim (his father) name got confirmed.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:58 pm
I hope this isn't true but if it is then I can't think of a better reason to knock back a few beers tonight. I hope the rest of you guys are doing alright.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:27 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
I hope this isn't true but if it is then I can't think of a better reason to knock back a few beers tonight. I hope the rest of you guys are doing alright.
It's just weird that we talked to and knew a possible murderer. Again, I hope people on here are ok.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:45 pm
lognifiiskurk wrote:
QuestionMark wrote:
I hope this isn't true but if it is then I can't think of a better reason to knock back a few beers tonight. I hope the rest of you guys are doing alright.
It's just weird that we talked to and knew a possible murderer. Again, I hope people on here are ok.
Agreed. This is worse than when I found out what Bill did because I spoke to Carnifex a lot more and he was a much more active contributor.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:49 pm
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:00 pm
I don't have any confirmation yet that this is the same person.
If I get confirmation, I will make a post about it.
Damn, I hope it's not.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:21 pm
margaflor wrote:
It's weird to know that for me too. I had talked to him in several discussions and I always saw him commenting on the threads and I liked his posts ... it's just shocking.
This may come across as tone deaf as hell, but I’m neither shocked nor even surprised. There are lots and lots of killers who seemed normal even IRL and even to their family and closest friends. And this is the internet we are talking about. We never know what’s actually going on in a stranger’s life. Unless some of you are psychics.
Totally irrelevant:
A similar thing happened in a non-murder-related online community I was part of when I was a teen. A seemingly normal guy brutally murdered two people. It was over jealousy so I guess it’s not as bizarre but anyway. He got death penalty and was executed two years later; here’s an article about that incident but it’s only in Russian.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:29 pm
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margaflor wrote:
It's weird to know that for me too. I had talked to him in several discussions and I always saw him commenting on the threads and I liked his posts ... it's just shocking.
This may come across as tone deaf as hell, but I’m neither shocked nor even surprised. There are lots and lots of killers who seemed normal even IRL and even to their family and closest friends. And this is the internet we are talking about. We never know what’s actually going on in a stranger’s life. Unless some of you are psychics.
Totally irrelevant:
A similar thing happened in a non-murder-related online community I was part of when I was a teen. A seemingly normal guy brutally murdered two people. It was over jealousy so I guess it’s not as bizarre but anyway. He got death penalty and was executed two years later; here’s an article about that incident but it’s only in Russian.
Yes, in a way I expected that something like this will happen. You never know what a truly online person is like, or what intentions they have.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:57 pm
morgenroede wrote:
margaflor wrote:
It's weird to know that for me too. I had talked to him in several discussions and I always saw him commenting on the threads and I liked his posts ... it's just shocking.
This may come across as tone deaf as hell, but I’m neither shocked nor even surprised. There are lots and lots of killers who seemed normal even IRL and even to their family and closest friends. And this is the internet we are talking about. We never know what’s actually going on in a stranger’s life. Unless some of you are psychics.
Totally irrelevant:
A similar thing happened in a non-murder-related online community I was part of when I was a teen. A seemingly normal guy brutally murdered two people. It was over jealousy so I guess it’s not as bizarre but anyway. He got death penalty and was executed two years later; here’s an article about that incident but it’s only in Russian.
I remember him replying to my post about 4 days ago about Bastian Bosse talking about other mass shooters saying how Bastian didn't 'learn from their mistakes' or something like that. Weirdly enough, I was thinking about how this forum has had members actually kill people and thought "Oh that hasn't happened in about 3/4 years I'm sure it won't happen again". Something like this was bound to happen at some point, I just didn't expect it to be this soon.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:21 pm
Jenn wrote:
Does anyone know for certain that his name is Hayden Jagst? Like friends on FB or Instagram?
The last time he logged in was 10 hours before the murder. His IP address matches where the murder took place (Brighton, Michigan).
It's not looking too good so far.
Yes, it isn't good so far. All I can say is damm. But to answer the questions, all I can say is that Hayden Jagst on Facebook, looks very similar, to photos that Carnifex sent me on Discord. I never knew his real name until now, but really the pieces fall in place saying that Carnifex is Hayden Jagst and that he murdered his father. Yeah it sucks. I think I said that enough times, but it is still true.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:35 pm
I knew him very briefly from a discord server I was in, he showed up not to long before this incident. He sometimes complained about his parents as well as the mental health care system. He used to have an ar 15 until his mother took it away. He then bought a single shot rifle which was the one he used to kill his father. One time he showed us a photo of his knife, which he claimed to have slashed a random woman with after buying it, personally I think he was just fucking with us.
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Subject: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody 2. Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:43 am
I'm going to make a separate thread about this and move all the comments into that thread. This thread will be temporarily locked until I get the new one set up.
This honestly sucks.
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Subject: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:33 am
On Monday, June 21, 2021, at 10:30 AM, forum member @Carnifex879 (real name Hayden Jagst) murdered his father (Edward Jagst) and is now in police custody.
So far, the only details I have is that he shot his father while he was asleep in bed and then left in his car when his sister called 911.
The police got ahold of him and convinced him to pull over, give the police his location so he could turn himself in (which he did) and he's now in police custody.
As more details are made available, I will update this thread or feel free to add any updates you/articles you may find.
Here are a few articles that I've read about this case.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:03 am
lognifiiskurk wrote:
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It's going to be weird seeing all his posts everywhere strewn around the forum.
He was so active as well. It's going to be almost impossible to go on threads without seeing his posts.
He was a Top 10 Contributor. Not many people make it into the Top 10. It's a shame. Again, it was a member I never would have pictured doing something like this. He was always so polite. Never caused any trouble, got into arguments, caused drama. You know, things like that. I'm still shocked about this.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:37 am
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His other guns
Just go put this here for curiosity sake. He had returned the bolt action rifle because "it had more recoil than I expected and gave me a permanent scar on my forehead lol." At least according to him. Just leaving this here damm. Damm.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:00 am
Jenn wrote:
lognifiiskurk wrote:
QuestionMark wrote:
It's going to be weird seeing all his posts everywhere strewn around the forum.
He was so active as well. It's going to be almost impossible to go on threads without seeing his posts.
He was a Top 10 Contributor. Not many people make it into the Top 10. It's a shame. Again, it was a member I never would have pictured doing something like this. He was always so polite. Never caused any trouble, got into arguments, caused drama. You know, things like that. I'm still shocked about this.
Just out of curiosity, what will happen to his Top 10 status? Will it be removed, or will it be kept up on his profile? Also eerie that his last post was about killers who attempted suicide.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:34 am
Some news videos. On the more recent (4th one), they said that Carnifex it’s on the Livingstone county jail.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:36 am
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lognifiiskurk wrote:
I guess we have to wait until he's charged to get the news to confirm that it's Carnifex.
Do we? I think that there’s more than enough proof that it’s the same guy. Any guess of how many years will he get?
Yeah, definitely it's the same guy, I wasn't doubting that but it's just so there is no more speculation on whether it is him or not. About years, depends really. I'm not American so I'm not too sure on what the sentencings normally are but perhaps 25 to life.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:17 am
I never realized about that one. Him talking about having homicidal and suicidal fantasies then saying how he was sad that he couldn't get girls is extremely creepy given hindsight.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:23 pm
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I never realized about that one. Him talking about having homicidal and suicidal fantasies then saying how he was sad that he couldn't get girls is extremely creepy given hindsight.
Yeah. And what’s creepier is that he admitted to hiding his issues and deliberately not seeking help. Of course it’s not that it would have necessarily “fixed” him.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:12 pm
I noticed that in these news articles it mentions his dad was an SRO. I have to wonder if maybe it wasn't a coincidence that he joined a forum about Columbine and then killed a parent who worked in an important function at school.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:08 pm
His usernames, that I can find: hj_4203 (Instagram) xalvador_1748 (Reddit) Someone Random (Youtube) True Crime Archive (Youtube, deleted) Xalvador789 (MyAnimeList) HunterXHunter78 (Deviantart and Crunchyroll) Carnifex879 (This forum) Hayden Jagst (Facebook) TJ Lane (Facebook, old name on this forum, I think) throwaway42378910 (Reddit) xerotolerance879 (Reddit, banned for a Christchurch meme) Yolo Swag 69 (Discord) xerotolerance879 (TheRedPill, seems to have been deleted, but I'm not sure how that site works.) Hayden Jagst (Prezi) xalvador 88 (Youtube)
I remember a comment on a Mr. Anime video, "imagine being killed by your weaboo son." I can't believe it happened again. Ban tactical assault weebs. Edit: Added links and more accounts discovered by other users.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:23 pm
I have now idea why I am amazed at this but like the last vídeo that he put on the comedy memes playlist was the Alternate Ducktales Intro, which he probably found on Reddit, commenting on the post, posted on the Discord forum and putting the video on the playlist. Also the last comment he did on the account Reddit was "Twisted bastard" about Nikolas Cruz, which okay.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:26 pm
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His usernames, that I can find: hj_4203 (Instagram) xalvador_1748 (Reddit) Someone Random (Youtube) True Crime Archive (Youtube, deleted) Xalvador789 (MyAnimeList) HunterXHunter78 (Deviantart and Crunchyroll) Carnifex879 (This forum) Hayden Jagst (Facebook) TJ Lane (Facebook, old name on this forum, I think) throwaway42378910 (Reddit) xerotolerance879 (Reddit) Yolo Swag 69 (Discord)
I remember a comment on a Mr. Anime video, "imagine being killed by your weaboo son." I can't believe it happened again. Ban tactical assault weebs.
The weebs are going too far. They must be stopped! But honestly, imagine being killed by your foot fetish weaboo son.
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Subject: Re: Forum member murdered his father and is in police custody. Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:56 pm
His Prezi account: https://prezi.com/user/_6fdrhi5dy0x/
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