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PostSubject: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 09, 2021 1:26 pm

Hi there Girls & Boys,

Seen as things seem to have run dry regarding new information & evidence regarding Columbine, I thought we could make up some "What If Scenarios"

It could be anything you want.

You can choose to answer what you think would have realistically happened after said "What If Scenario"

I shall go first......

WHAT IF : After Dylan thumps down the stairs, early on that fateful day, he shouts, "BYE", to his Mum. He slams the door behind him and jumps into his BMW. Turning the key, there is nothing. The engine is DEAD! He has his trench coat on with the shotgun underneath, tucked away at one side. He keeps turning the key and smashing the gas pedal. NOTHING! It's 1999, no mobile phones. Meanwhile, Eric is waiting and pacing around his bedroom. He thinks, "Has Dylan chickened out? Has Dylan been caught? Has Dylan broken and told his parents about the Ultimate Plan?"

Meanwhile, the BMW is completely dead. All the mags and shotgun shells are at Erics house. All Dylan has in his possession are his empty Sawn Off Shotgun & Empty Tec-9....The car is DONE! He's going nowhere...

What do you think would happen next?

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 09, 2021 7:18 pm

He would simply call Eric on the home phone to give him a ride...

I think they both had car bombs set up in addition to the bombs they placed in the school cafeteria, so they would have been short one car bomb if Dylan's car hadn't started. But it wouldn't have mattered because none of their bombs went off anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 09, 2021 8:47 pm

Well, that was creative!

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 11, 2021 10:10 am

I have another one.  In Sue Klebold's book she mentioned that Eric tried to "recruit" two other people before Dylan.  What if one of these others told Jeffco about the plans?

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Oh wait - that did happen and Jeffco did nothing!  (Thinking of the multiple warnings from the Brooks family to the police).

Hope you like my "joke."

Sorry, I guess I'm just no good at this game, lol.

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 11, 2021 12:01 pm

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I have another one.  In Sue Klebold's book she mentioned that Eric tried to "recruit" two other people before Dylan.  What if one of these others told Jeffco about the plans?

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Oh wait - that did happen and Jeffco did nothing!  (Thinking of the multiple warnings from the Brooks family to the police).

Hope you like my "joke."

Sorry, I guess I'm just no good at this game, lol.
I was gonna reply with 'nothing' but then saw the rest of your post lol

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 11, 2021 12:17 pm

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I have another one.  In Sue Klebold's book she mentioned that Eric tried to "recruit" two other people before Dylan.  What if one of these others told Jeffco about the plans?

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Oh wait - that did happen and Jeffco did nothing!  (Thinking of the multiple warnings from the Brooks family to the police).

What? Who? The closest I can think of to being another potential "recruit" was Eric making comments towards Chris Morris about setting up trip bombs and killing jocks. What page of the book was this?

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 11, 2021 12:32 pm

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I wish I could remember.  I rented the book from the library but I don't have it anymore.  She specifically mentioned Mark Manes and then another person (not Phil) as being talked to by Eric specifically; I can't recall if she mentioned the name of the other person.  You could be right about it being Chris Morris.  Who knows what the conversation actually was and whether it was just talk or actual recruiting.  Again, it's Sue's perspective; what Chris and Mark Manes would have considered "joking around" could actually be considered "recruiting" by Sue now having the after-the-event hindsight and trying to playdown Dylan's role.  It was like midway through the book, I can't remember the chapter or page number. But even with foreknowledge, Jeffco still would have done nothing. People didn't take these things seriously back then, and even for a long time afterward it was considered a "fluke", can't happen in my neighborhood kind of thing... when I was in high school the bomb squad was called at least 3 times because people wanted to get out of classes for a couple hours so they'd report a bomb threat. No one thought anything of it.

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeTue Jul 13, 2021 11:47 pm

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I wish I could remember.  I rented the book from the library but I don't have it anymore.  She specifically mentioned Mark Manes and then another person (not Phil) as being talked to by Eric specifically; I can't recall if she mentioned the name of the other person.  You could be right about it being Chris Morris.  Who knows what the conversation actually was and whether it was just talk or actual recruiting.  Again, it's Sue's perspective; what Chris and Mark Manes would have considered "joking around" could actually be considered "recruiting" by Sue now having the after-the-event hindsight and trying to playdown Dylan's role.  It was like midway through the book, I can't remember the chapter or page number.  But even with foreknowledge, Jeffco still would have done nothing.  People didn't take these things seriously back then, and even for a long time afterward it was considered a "fluke", can't happen in my neighborhood kind of thing...  when I was in high school the bomb squad was called at least 3 times because people wanted to get out of classes for a couple hours so they'd report a bomb threat.  No one thought anything of it.

Yes...I remember reading this in Sue's book. Great post. So difficult to seperate a passing joke of "blowing up the school" to actually seriously trying to recruit an accomplice. Jeffco were fuckin useless. Before, during and after the massacre IMO.

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 6:34 am

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 9:39 am

What if…. Eric and Dylan weren’t mentally ill
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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 7:58 pm

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It wouldn't have a made a difference.  You don't have to be mentally ill to commit violence.  All the victors throughout history justify their violence... The Revolutions to overcome the oppressors (American, French, Russian), wars among tribal nations before "civilization"... I think it's just human nature that there will forever be oppressors and the masses who try to fight back.  Violence is part of human nature, on both sides.

I also wanted to add, that what looks to the outsider to be an inexplicable "lashing out" is frequently the result of a buildup in response to inhumane treatment over a period of YEARS. There is a saying - you can only hit a dog so many times before it bites back. I think that was definitely part of the case here, as well as in all those historical events. Violence is always the last resort. One only gets to that point when there is nothing left to lose - no love, no happiness, no rest. When everything is taken from you, only justice can make that right. And many people will pay any price to have justice.

Yes, there are some crazy people whose actions have no explanation, and are not the result of any kind of mistreatment by their family or "friends", but I really think those are the few.


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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 8:02 pm

Pretty sure if they had a better state of mind they wouldn’t have been so homicidal and suicidal Smile I mean their journals prove that in a way.
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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 8:19 pm

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This makes me think how many potential future mass killers were stopped by completely random events? What if a person on their way to commit a mass shooting crashed their car completely destroying it? It's an interesting thought that I haven't seen many people talk about.

Well, it's an interesting thought, but I think if someone was really determined to go through with it, they would just change their plans.

E&D's initial plan was a total failure. But they still did as much damage as possible.

I guess my thoughts are that the people who decide to do these things are so determined that no matter what happens, they would not stop. Where there's a will, there's a way (even with a delay! - my silly addition to the rhyme).

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PostSubject: Re: What IF?   What IF? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 14, 2021 8:22 pm

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Pretty sure if they had a better state of mind they wouldn’t have been so homicidal and suicidal Smile I mean their journals prove that in a way.

But what was the cause of their state of mind? There is an interesting connection found between bullying and subsequent mental illness....
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