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PostSubject: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeSun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm

I hardly see people talk about cults compared to serial killers or mass murderers, so why not.

List of some infamous ones

- Manson Family
- Aleph/Aum Shinrikyo
- Solar Temple
- Jonestown
- Branch Davidians
- Heaven's Gate
- Ant Hill Kids

What cult do you find the most interesting
or
what aspects of how cults are made do you find interesting?

basically what do you think is fascinating

The oddities of Heaven's Gate is always amusing to me despite it being grim. I've always had an interest in the Branch Davidians as well but that's most likely because of the waco siege and the mystery behind that.

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PostSubject: Re: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeSun Jul 18, 2021 4:20 pm

I've been researching the Manson Family for quite a while. The most interesting thing for me was the further prison life of the perpetrators. Susan Atkins was denied parole even having a terminal illness and eventually died in 2009, but I don't think that Pat or Leslie will ever walk free one day because of their connection to Manson, despite being model prisoners and so on.

Susan Atkins even had an opportunity to attend art classes in prison which I find rather curious, and other convicted members also had many opportunities to join different classes and programs and have active lives even being incarcerated.

Unfortunately, her site founded by her husband is long gone, but I've managed to save some of her works:
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PostSubject: Re: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeSun Jul 18, 2021 5:45 pm

I quite have some interest in the Order of the Solar Temple, I find them weirdly fascinating. Also I have interest in Heaven's Gate, they are weird but not as fascinating as the Solar Temple to me, Branch Davidians and the Manson Family. I had some interest in Aleph/Aum Shinrikyo, but really that died now (it was mostly because of the parody games lol). I never really took an interest in the People's Temple, just never really, I know like the basics of it, but not really interest in them.
Also, I have interest in Pana Wave, which while certainly didnt do bad of a crime than the cults I mentioned before, they were weird and did some criminal stuff. Like they kidnapped a seal that went to Japan and they did, because they believed if the seal wasnt returned to the Artic Circle the world would end. There were fears of them, in 2003, when they say the world would end, because it was Japan after the sarin attacks, but nothing really happened. Also five members were arrested for beating a man to death to remove "harmful waves". Which apparently those beatings were usual against other members to remove "harmful waves". They really didn't like those electromagnetic waves, also basically they dressed in white, the surronding area where they lived in the mountain was white, by them putting fabric to protect themselves of the electromagnetic harmful waves. And when they warned people of the doomsday with whites vans with protective symbols attach to them, they didn't really liked the reporters with cameras, saying they were emiting harmful electromagnetic waves, and only accepted them after the reporters covering themselves and the camera in white cloth. Basically the cult was weird and while somewhat tragic, the tragedy pales in comparasion to the more infamous cults, so I have an interest in them.
Also like the Vampire Clan is interesting, even it was basically edgy teenagers, but it is sure weird to me.
Also the Brazilian cannibal cult Cartel is certainly disguting and weird. I mean it was basically just three people, but still is weird. And I find weird that one of the people they killed, a woman who was part of that, basically was the mistress of the leader, took the name of the woman they killed and her less than one year old daughter at the time of the murder and the cult raised as their own daughter, they also fed her human meat, including the flesh of her mother, they also sold cooking with human meat to other people, which ups to me the shock factor of this group. Some could say this isn't a cult, but I count it. I guess.
There is other cults I have interest in like Adam Family, Family of David, United Pentecostal Church of Brazil (the one run by Francisco Bezerra Morais to be specific, since there are other groups with that name), and a all much more that are rather obscure really.  But really what I find interesting is odd they can be from edgy teenager believing himself to me a vampire to a cult believing in that a man was pearl in his boby that emits bacteria killing radiation (note I have no idea if this one actually exists, since I could only find very few info on it). Oh well, hope this isn't a completely awful reply.

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PostSubject: Re: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeSun Jul 18, 2021 6:21 pm

More recent cults are pretty interesting, due to how they use social media to gain new members. NXIVM is pretty well known because of their 'leader' being sentenced to prison recently.

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PostSubject: Re: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeMon Jul 19, 2021 7:35 am

Some spree killers are narcissists and/or psychopaths (IE: Breivik), but most are neither.

Some cult leaders are psychopaths (Manson apparently), but most of them are narcissists (Raniere,
Hubbard).



The mechanism behind cults and spree killings is entirely different. Having said that, one can spot similarities between narcissistic murders and narcissistic cult leaders.

Starting a cult requires intelligence, charisma and organizational/advertising skills. It is not easy, most narcissists lack these. So cult leaders are not only unique from all spree killers, they are unique even among other narcissists.

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PostSubject: Re: Cults   Cults Icon_minitimeThu Aug 19, 2021 1:31 pm

Well, found this cult related "murder" pretty weird and interesting.
For starters, there was a man called Mark Steven Foster and he was the owner of a company called Quanta Press Inc., a CD-ROM company that existed in the early 90s and was making a lot of money, being at a time the biggest producer of CD-ROMs in America, basically the company was big and could get very bigger in the future as the techonology of CD-ROMs, become more common. But the company went in to a downfall, because of Mark, since he would spend the money in a luxury life style and not really improve or develop the CD-ROM techonology he was selling, and basically after a while the CD-ROM techonology of the company were outdated and weren't selling, and in the end the company had to be close. After that he would start working as a phamarchist and would start being audited by the IRS. But he had a plan to solved his financial problems.
On July 18, 1997, a motorist driving through Douglas County, Wisconsin happened upon the body of a man lying on the side of the country road. The body was wearing all white clothes and that man was Mark Steven Foster. He had been shoot by a .44 caliber rifle and in his shoe a note was found which read on one side "Jack Frazier isn't here, but it's Jimmy Bailey? or look alike?" On the other side of the note was "Geez it's 3 toughs. Hope I'm OK.". The people mentioned on the note were his wife, Sarah Foster, exs. Ultimately them were found to have confirmable alibis and didnt do it. Outside of that, the police found that Mark lived with his nephew Brent A. Thompson, his wife and a roomate called Gregory A. Friesner. Ultimately odd stuff were considered about the people that lived with him, like the fact the nephew reported his uncle missing on the morning of July 18 and the fact the other people didnt really had asked how he died or something. Basically, investigators obtained a search warrant for Mark's house and they found that the attic was painted in bright fluorescent paints, there was blood like substances spread out on the walls and floors. The investigators also found their business cards there, which hinted that the people who were there were angry with the cops and they were trying to put a hex on them. Basically, Mark had become a leader of a Santería group. One of the believes of the group he was the leader was that ut was possible to transfer one’s consciousness into another person, but to do that, the another person had to kill, so the person can transfer consiousness with the killer. So Mark had done a life insurance of 300,000 dollars and had plan of someone killing him, then transfer his consiousness to the person he killed, frame the exs of his wife and claim the insurance money. And the killer would Friesner, his second-in-command, and would obtain Foster’s priesthood and soul in return. Ultimately there was no evidence until there was confession by Thompson, that he and Friesner took part in the killing with the consent and participation of Mark Foster, Thompson drove Foster and Friesner to the murder site, dumped the gun in the St. Croix River after the murder, and then lied to authorities to misdirect them. Ultimately Thompson was sentenced to three years in prison due to his cooperation, while the person who killed him, Friesner, was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

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Their subconscious will cause them to do so."
-Oscar Kiss Maerth
"Said he was a wolf, only the difference
Was, a wolf’s skin was hairy on the outside,
His on the inside;"
- John Webster
"I cannot allow the cheap fireworks of some amateur terrorist to trigger my beatiful apocalyptic display!"
-Dr. Kabapu
"But hey, you wouldn't have signed on if you weren't planning to becoming a martyr. So let's get to work."
-Mannagaer lol

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