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I mean this in all offense because a lot of you are just a little dumb...the amount of fans adam has are insane. If school shooters were to be ranked by how many fans they had , adam would definitely be ranked at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with eric and dylan obviously being at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Although I cannot explain why people obsess over him , I can say that its not just one reason but multiple...not because of "pity" or because he was a quiet and shy 20 year old male who had interesting views on life and the world but a little bit of everything combined. If you want a full example just go on twitter and you can paint the full picture on your own

Another discrepancy among the many is Dylan's shotgun casings found in the Library. The discarded shells that were matched to Dylan's weapon would typically be found where Dylan had reloaded the weapon, based on the way the weapon operates.

6 discarded shells from his weapon were found in the Library:
* 2 shells were found between the computer tables
* 2 shells were found just south of the computer tables
* 2 fired shells were found in the chamber of the weapon (Could have been fired anywhere in the school: Cafeteria, Office, Science area etc)

So a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 6 shotgun rounds were fired by Dylan in the Library. This does not match up to the official list of events.

Kyle Velasquez was shot twice (See: Team 1 Firearm Discharges), followed by the Dylan reloading the shotgun, explaining why 2 discarded shells found in that area.

Then, Table 15 was shot at twice, followed by Dylan once again reloading the shotgun, explaining the 2 discarded shells found south of the computer tables, where Dylan was witnessed to have fired at Table 15, and was also witnessed reloading his weapon.

With only 2 possible shots fired by Dylan's shotgun remaining, there are 3 witnessed uses of it:
* The shot that killed Matt Kechter
* The shot fired at Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] at Mark Kintgen
* The initial shotgun round fired at Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Is it possible that Eric's shotgun was involved in one of these events? Based on the witness reports of the victims under Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the view of the suspect's from underneath the table made them hard to identify.

Additionally, there is a significant amount of shotgun shells fired by Eric in the east section. 7 to be exact, meaning he fired a minimum of 6 and maximum of 8 shotgun shots in that area, depending on when he decided to eject the empty shell casing. Through Nicole Nowlen's witness report we know that 2 of the shots were directed at Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. That horrifically means that a minimum of 4 and maximum of 6 shots were fired at Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] from Eric's shotgun.

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Even having a specific topic for Pekka here on the forum, I saw that it was necessary to make another one, specifically for his manifesto, since apparently, it was extremely misunderstood. in this article, I will explain the manifesto, point by point, in order to make the final definition about it and show it as one of the most realistic intellectual works in existence.

ATTACK INFORMATION
Event: Jokela High School Massacre.
Targets: Jokelan Lukio (High School Of Jokela), students and faculty, society, humanity, human race.
Date: 11/7/2007.
Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I don’t want this to be called only as “school shooting”).
Location: Jokela, Tuusula, Finland.
Perpetrator’s name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.
Weapons: Semi-automatic .22 Sig Sauer Mosquito pistol.

This point is extremely important. here, Pekka himself states that his targets are students, teachers and society. obviously there is a natural revenge for everything that has happened over the years, but we see that this is not necessarily the key point, the principle. the principle, as mentioned, is war against civilization. Pekka wanted to shock society, through an act of political revolution, accomplished with this attack. that's why he doesn't establish himself as a "school shooter", which proves once and for all that bullying and retaliation were not the main reason, as was so often said, nor that he was a repeater of the others, or a columbiner or those things. It is interesting to note that numerous political leaders of the 20th and 21st centuries also carried out similar acts with the same objective, such as Nelson Mandela in South Africa, where he blew up playgrounds during apartheid and was sentenced to life imprisonment for this. It is also interesting to observe that the first school attack in the United States, in the 18th century, has the same motivation, the war against civilization.




What do I hate / What I don’t like?
Equality, tolerance, human rights, political correctness, hypocrisy, ignorance, enslaving religions and ideologies, antidepressants, TV soap operas & drama shows, rap -music, mass media, censorship, political populists, religious fanatics, moral majority, totalitarianism, consumerism, democracy, pacifism, state mafia, alcholohics, TV commercials, human race.

What do I love / what do I like?
Existentialism, self-awareness, freedom, justice, truth, moral & political philosophy, personal & social psychology, evolution science, political incorrectness, guns, shooting, BDSM, computers, internet, aggressive electronic and industrial rock & metal music, violent movies, , FPS –computer games, sarcasm, irony, black humour, macabre artm mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters, eugenics

Pekka demonstrates her personality in this part. it cannot be said that Pekka is an ordinary person. not! Pekka has an untaught personality, not dominated by social values. Pekka in this part proves to be the personification of the original man, without dogmatism, values, limits or social needs. historically, Pekka can be considered a modern day barbarian. It is, however, interesting to observe that this personality is the objective of countless thinkers, mainly from the East, who have always emphasized the return to the primordial, the human essence per se, spontaneity and personal concepts. Pekka is the personification of this, the full manifestation of the free man, in continuous struggle with the prevailing form of domination, which is civilization, which is obviously a distortion of the real human organization that are the tribes. true human values, born from interaction with the environment and not from the needs of social self-preservation, are also in Pekka, demonstrated with his statements in favor of violence, hierarchy and independence.

How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?
Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere… I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!
Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as “psychological disorders” by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual’s personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc… and it is completely normal.
Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.
There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers… and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.
Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better… no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy
Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it’s rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don’t realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure… then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.
Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy… you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority… and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.

We see in this part, the intellect that conveys Pekka's personality. Pekka attests that modern civilization has nothing beneficial for humanity and that, in fact, it limits and prevents it from developing as a species. however, unlike most common thinkers, he blames humanity itself for his condition. but if yes, why change? well, Pekka realized that humanity does not have a universal nature, but a pluralistic one, where various types of human beings, distinct in behavioral nature, coexist with each other, producing civilization. we see here that the problem is this same differentiation between human beings, and that unfortunately, most have a behavioral nature that allows the existence of civilization. Pekka also stands out in this part, having one of the 3 natures that will be mentioned below, which is perceptive people and linked to behavioral spontaneity. It is also important to mention that Pekka argues that essential change does not exist and therefore only by eliminating those that have a nature of subjugation to external social values ​​will it be possible to create something better. another interesting thing he points out is how civilization tries to dominate the "behavioral deviations" that it itself produces, from things like psychiatry, medicine, ethics and those things that only serve for the self-preservation of society. Pekka also says that the extinction of the species would also be a final solution, which is true, but it is, in fact, unattainable and its presence in the manifesto is much more due to an intellectual sincerity than really a goal to be followed.

Three Kinds Of Humans
There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:

1)individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2)manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3)mass human (94% of the world population)

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] & [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.
Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:
1)intelligent (3% of the world population)
2)slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
3)highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)

And finally we come to the origin of all evil. Pekka managed to do something incredible here: categorize the problem precisely, realistically observing that humanity consists of countless individuals with at least 3 antagonistic behavioral natures, who interacting, create the known human world. this part is also extremely important because it is not based on a prejudiced concept or anything like that, but on the primordial part of human reality. Faced with these data, we see that there are only two paths if you are a person who has real individualism: Isolation or Conflict against civilization. Pekka, the indigenous peoples, the barbarian peoples and the warlords chose the second option. Thinkers like Pentti Linkola, Jiddu Krishnamurti and others, as well as hermits or pacifist misanthropes have chosen the first option.

Total War Against Humanity
Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life… but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential… knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life… I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.
Life is just a meaningless coincidence… result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I’m the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.
You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand… You will proprably say me that I am “insane”, “crazy”, “psychopath”, “criminal” or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.
I have had enough. I don’t want to be part of this f*cked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving… only worth killing. But… When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name… When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets… When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice… When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority… In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.
Long live the revolution… revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.
I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true… even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil… I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.
And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It’s time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!
Humanity is Overrated
Justice renders to everyone his due.
– Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist).
I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.

And here we have the final attestation. Pekka is the complete manifestation of the anti-civilization spirit in the 21st century. The same human spirit as the Germanic barbarians who fought Rome, the indigenous peoples who fought the white conquerors, the misanthropic thinkers who isolated themselves and lived as they pleased. Pekka is literally the leading anti-civilization man of this century and his historical figure must be studied. he studied all forms of civilization and therefore saw the source of problems. for misanthropes, Pekka is a sun, an anti-civilization symbol on the same level as the historical figures mentioned here and the reason for this is evident..

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Bones - TeenWitch (A full concept album about Columbine, with songs written from the perspectives of E&D, a witness, a victim, and the parent of a victim, as well as multiple from Bones' own perspective that still heavily reference E&D and CHS.)

Driveby Truckers - Guns of Umpqua (About the Umpqua Community College shooting, albeit in an abstract sense; most of the song is about the joys of life and contrasting them with "being shot in a classroom in Oregon.")

Eminem - Darkness (This song's gimmick is that it's written in a way that could apply both to Eminem preparing for one of his own concerts, and to Stephen Paddock preparing to shoot up the Route 91 festival; however, it does head away from the gimmick and become more explicitly about Paddock only during the third and last verse.)

Ill Bill - The Anatomy of a School Shooting (A rap song about E&D and Columbine. Takes a more aggressive horrorcore approach instead of the sad, melodic one that TeenWitch takes.)

Kelly Rowland - Stole (Like Youth of the Nation, only the first part of this song is about a shooter, while the rest delves into other issues facing teenagers. Despite its subject matter, it was a hit song in other Anglosphere nations, peaking at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on the pop charts in both Australia and the UK.)

Kinky Friedman - The Ballad of Charles Whitman (Do I need to say who this is about?)

PiGPEN - KEKEKE [The Ballad of Cho Seung-hui] (An amateur rap song from Cho's perspective, written for the V-Tech Rampage game. It's not very good from an unironic standpoint, but it does fit the tone of the game quite well and features more explicit references to the shooting than most other songs on this list. The followup game, The Slaying of Sandy Hook, also had a song created for it, Kukishi's TSO.SHE.OST, but only its first verse is explicitly about Lanza, with the rest of the song going off on a pro-gun control tangent, including outright blaming anti-gun control members of congress for the shooting and saying they killed 'them' just as much as Lanza did. Considering TSoSH was created with a pro-gun control message in mind, while V-Tech Rampage was just created as an edgy joke game, it makes sense. But I still prefer KEKEKE because it stays on the topic of the shooting itself.)

The Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays (About Brenda Spencer. Has the rare honour of being praised by an actual shooter; Lanza said he preferred it, as well as 'The Omaha Shopping Mall Blues' [a song about Robert Hawkins that, from what I can tell, is now lost media] over Pumped Up Kicks.)

Weezer - Lullaby for Wayne (Believed to be about Wayne Lo, as it is about a man named Wayne, who is a member of the 'class of 1988' [the year Lo started college] and is repeatedly told to 'put them guns away.' However, this has never been explicitly confirmed by the band, and a lot of Weezer fans seem to deny that meaning of the song and think 'Wayne' is just a made up character.)

Yellowcard - April 20th (A song vaguely about Columbine. It features a sample of a news broadcast at the start of the song, and references it in the title, but otherwise, comes off as a generic edgy high school rebellion song.)

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The Basement Tapes are 3 hours 1 minute & 55 seconds long:

Item [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - March 15 to March 18

Item [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] 2 Tapes - Tape [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "Reb's Tape" April 11 to April 12 is part of the Basement Tapes
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Item [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - "Top Secret Rampart" Late March to April 20


**Copies were made of these items ... surely there MUST still be copies in existence.

If the FBI was involved they have copies of all video and doc evidence and they never destroy evidence but they will never let any of it become public, they might even use it as a teaching tool.

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Some videos unfortunately don't have sound. A few videos from 2008 were audio swapped before I removed them from the main channel. Sadly, they are forever stuck that way. Some videos also have a significant amount of quality drain. A few were downloaded in standard definition, so there's little I can do to remaster the quality. Nonetheless, it's still incredible to be able to look back at how far I've come doing YouTube videos.”
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I've had a couple of dreams about them. I had more dreams of Eric than of Dylan.

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It was night time but the schools were still on. Outside all the tables and chairs from the lunch hall were there. Everyone was sitting there having their lunch at night just chatting away. I was sitting with people and the gunshots were heard from inside the school. Eric came out with his full gear from his Hitmen for hire video. He pointed his shotgun at people at started shooting but he was looking at me while he was doing it. I didn't move. Sat there watching as he got closer. Bodies lay behind him as he got closer. He pointed his gun at me than darkness.
I woke up.

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Eric and I were sitting in home economics class just talking while helping each other with questions. My old high school teacher appeared Mrs Spitfighter. She was yelling at people for not doing what she told them to do, could see spit going everywhere. Turned in our direction and pointed at Eric. Telling him off and just calling him horrible things. He sat there and took it until she finished then went to the chalkboard. Eric looked at me so red. He said, "peanut butter it." Eric got up and walked out of the class. The teacher yelled at him to come back and the door slammed. Silent then soon gunshots were heard. The teacher yelled at us to go under the table and hide. Eric kicked the door. Walking up to the teacher and shot her. He turned and shot at other people or objects. He came over to my table. I saw his boots then the end of the shotgun. He stood there then turned away.

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At a back path near my grans. I saw Dylan in the distance with his gear on walking up the stairs leading up to one of the streets going towards the school. I called out to Dylan because I knew what he was going to do. He turns to me and says "I have to." The school shooting happens and it changes the scene to being at Dylans parent's house. Susan let me in and asked how I was and how I was coping. I replied fine and taking it day by day. In this very, very long hall was just photos of Dylan and newspaper clippings of that day. Following the parents down the hall, they talked about how they kept Dylan's room the same. The first room, we entered had all of Dylans baby photos on the wall. There was a cot and in the cot had a baby doll of him. A door appears and we entered and this room had photos of him a toddler and there was a bed with a toddler size doll of him. It repeated into another room with him as a child, a young teen, and then the last room. In the last room was his room. One wall had photos of him from that year(1999) with friends, family, and all sorts. From one side of the wall to the other you could see his appearance changing from being happy to sad. On a desk has his journal open to a page. I turned to the other side of the room where was his bed. On his bed was him lifeless. It was as if they lifted his body from the library and brought it into his room and left it. His parents stood at either side of me and told him how it was my fault. I should have stopped him. I knew he was going to do it. Should have stopped it.

I woke up. I never had a dream that made me uncomfortable before.


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The dream was set in the library from the Breakfast Club movie with an extra floor. Everyone from the library was there. I was sitting at a table on the top floor. Looking over to the ground floor. Something was thrown on the table then explosions. There were screaming and smoke. Dylan appeared and started shooting at anyone that movies. He was yelled at, kicking chairs. Grabbing people from under the table and trying to pull them out. He was doing everything that Eric did in the Library. He threw more pipebombs. He pointed his gun up in my direction and started shooting. A massive fish tank was there and shattered. The fish fell and Dylan grabbed one, throwing it in a random direction. Kicking chairs then walked out to shoot in the hall.

and that's it.

Dylann Roof's cat from when it showed up in a few of his edgy photoshoots. Also, a thread on attacker's pets would be interesting.
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[mention]dyonqqr[/mention] wrote:

I'd like to see those, if you can locate them.
I'm gonna hijack my own thread and make a collection of bulk resources about attacks. None of these are mine, just compiled from here and elsewhere.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Reports
SilverMoxie's Kimveer Gill Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Jeffrey Weise Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Robert Arthur Hawkins Offline Emergency Archive
SilverMoxie's Adam Lanza Emergency Offline Archive
Denis Muravyov & Katerina Vlasova files, including livestreams
I'm in the process of compiling similar folders myself (Il'naz Galyaviyev, Jakraphanth Thomma, Nathaniel Berhow, and Anthony Quinn Warner specifically) and might share them when I'm satisfied I've collected all relevant information.

Also, have another article on China attacks. It's very in depth with statisitics for the US too, definitely worth a look.

Thanks for the information! I'm going to take a look at them and especially the one about the attacks in China

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I'd like to see those, if you can locate them.
I'm gonna hijack my own thread and make a collection of bulk resources about attacks. None of these are mine, just compiled from here and elsewhere.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Reports
SilverMoxie's Kimveer Gill Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Jeffrey Weise Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Robert Arthur Hawkins Offline Emergency Archive
SilverMoxie's Adam Lanza Emergency Offline Archive
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2008 Knoxville shooting report & photos obtained by FOIA request [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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STK's killing folder
Jokela images
Vance Stone/William Atchison Youtube videos archive
A.I. Upscaled Columbine Videos
Columbine document collection
Randy stair digital set
Bob8466 YouTube videos
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I'm in the process of compiling similar folders myself (Il'naz Galyaviyev, Jakraphanth Thomma, Nathaniel Berhow, and Anthony Quinn Warner specifically) and might share them when I'm satisfied I've collected all relevant information.

Also, have another article on China attacks. It's very in depth with statisitics for the US too, definitely worth a look.

Thanks for the archives, SilverMovie has being working passionately on them and I appreciate his hard work.

I'd like to see those, if you can locate them.
I'm gonna hijack my own thread and make a collection of bulk resources about attacks. None of these are mine, just compiled from here and elsewhere.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Reports
SilverMoxie's Kimveer Gill Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Jeffrey Weise Emergency Offline Archive
SilverMoxie's Robert Arthur Hawkins Offline Emergency Archive
SilverMoxie's Adam Lanza Emergency Offline Archive
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STK's killing folder
Jokela images
Vance Stone/William Atchison Youtube videos archive
A.I. Upscaled Columbine Videos
Columbine document collection
Randy stair digital set
Bob8466 YouTube videos
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I'm in the process of compiling similar folders myself (Il'naz Galyaviyev, Jakraphanth Thomma, Nathaniel Berhow, and Anthony Quinn Warner specifically) and might share them when I'm satisfied I've collected all relevant information.

Also, have another article on China attacks. It's very in depth with statisitics for the US too, definitely worth a look.

Yeah, but like I said before, my site is designed so that you can read all of the documents without downloading anything. 35,000 pages of documents, access any page with a single click. No fussing with PDF files. It's built for people who want to do fast research.

You literally just go to the page, click on whatever page number you want, and start reading. Scroll through the pages, no downloads required.

If you want to go to page [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],834 you just have to click on that page number. No downloads, no searching, etc. It's the easy way to research.

Has anyone ever dreamed about the shooters or even serial killers/killers?

This year alone. I have had four dreams of Eric and Dylan. Two of Eric and the later for Dylan. Never had dreams of them together always by themselves. Out of the four dreams, only the first one with Dylan made me feel uncomfortable.

What do you think of the dreams or the meaning behind them? Normally in my dreams I always see red carpets, it doesn't matter where it is. I always see the red carpet. [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

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It was night time but the schools were still on. Outside all the tables and chairs from the lunch hall were there. Everyone was sitting there having their lunch at night just chatting away. I was sitting with people and the gunshots were heard from inside the school. Eric came out with his full gear from his Hitmen for hire video. He pointed his shotgun at people at started shooting but he was looking at me while he was doing it. I didn't move. Sat there watching as he got closer. Bodies lay behind him as he got closer. He pointed his gun at me than darkness.
I woke up.

Eric dream [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Eric and I were sitting in home economics class just talking while helping each other with questions. My old high school teacher appeared Mrs. Spitfighter. She was yelling at people for not doing what she told them to do, could see spit going everywhere. Turned to our direction and pointed at Eric. Telling him off and just calling him horrible things. He sat there and took it until she finished then went to the chalkboard. Eric looked at me so red. He said, "fuck it." Eric got up and walked out of the class. The teacher yelled at him to come back and the door slammed. Silent then soon gunshots were heard. The teacher yelled at us to go under the table and hide. Eric kicked the door. Walking up to the teacher and shot her. He turned and shot at other people or objects. He came over to my table. I saw his boots then the end of the shotgun. He stood there then turned away.

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At a back path near my grans. I saw Dylan in the distance with his gear on walking up the stairs leading up to one of the streets going towards the school. I called out to Dylan because I knew what he was going to do. He turns to me and says "I have too." The school shooting happens and it changes scene to being at Dylans parent's house. Susan let me in and asked how I was and how I was coping. I replied fine and taking it day by day. In this very, very long hall was just photos of Dylan and newspaper clippings of that day. Following the parents down the hall they talked about how they kept Dylan's room the same. The first room, we entered had all of Dylans baby photos on the wall. There was a cot and in the cot had a baby doll of him.  A door appears and we entered and this room had photos of him a toddler and there was a bed with a toddler size doll of him. It repeated into another room with him as a child, young teen, and then the last room. In the last room was his room. One wall had photos of him from that year with friends, family, and all sorts. From one side of the wall to the other you could see his appearance changing from being happy to sad. On a desk has his journal open to a page. I turned to the other side of the room where was his bed. On his bed was him lifeless. It was as if they lifted his body from the library and brought it into his room and left it. His parents stood at either side of me and told him how it was my fault. I should have stopped him. I knew he was going to do it. Should have stopped it.

I woke up. I never had a dream that made me uncomfortable before.


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The dream was set in the library from the Breakfast Club movie with an extra floor. Everyone from the library was there. I was sitting at a table on the top floor. Looking over to the ground floor. Something was thrown on the table then explosions. There were screaming and smoke. Dylan appeared and started shooting at anyone that movies. He was yelled, kicking chairs. Grabbing people from under the table and trying to pull them out. He was doing everything that Eric did in the Library. He threw more pipebombs. He pointed his gun up in my direction and started shooting. A massive fish tank was there and shattered. The fish fell and Dylan grabbed one, throwing it in a random direction. Kicking chairs then walked out to shoot in the hall.

and thats it.

thelmar wrote:

I think it may be Diwata Perez's statement you are thinking of, as she is the one that mentions Val coming out from the table in the Ripples of Columbine video. From the way she says it, she couldn't understand why Val did it, and she seemed to think Dylan started shooting at Table 2 (the first round of shooting there) once Val did so.

I believe she's mistaken and that the girls under Table 2 began screaming when Dylan began shooting under the table, and they continued to scream afterward. It was after Val was shot the first time that she came out from under the table and had the conversation about God. After that, Eric fired under Table 2.

In Nicole Nowlin's statement (pg. 107- 108) she said she heard a lot of gunfire up near tables 1 and 2, and heard the girls at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], begin to "really scream, they were really freaking out." She said when the gunfire stopped she heard the "Do you believe in God?" conversation after which she heard more shots. She knew the second round of gunfire consisted of more than one shot, but couldn't be specific as to number.

Lisa Kreutz pg. 62- 63 said that Val, after being shot, was screaming and "running or crawling away" from the gunman behind their table. The God conversation then occurred and the girls under her table were shot at again.

Jeanna Park pg. 115- 116 doesn't say when Val moved from under the table but does say that after the God conversation Val started to go back under the table where she had previously been.

Val (pg. 135) said after being shot she "fell out from the table" and realized she'd been shot and after the God conversation went back under the table.

Thank you. I was trying to piece together what happened... I always thought they went by the table twice, because I think lauren was shot after she already was dead [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

I think it may be Diwata Perez's statement you are thinking of, as she is the one that mentions Val coming out from the table in the Ripples of Columbine video. From the way she says it, she couldn't understand why Val did it, and she seemed to think Dylan started shooting at Table 2 (the first round of shooting there) once Val did so.

I believe she's mistaken and that the girls under Table 2 began screaming when Dylan began shooting under the table, and they continued to scream afterward. It was after Val was shot the first time that she came out from under the table and had the conversation about God. After that, Eric fired under Table 2.

In Nicole Nowlin's statement (pg. 107- 108) she said she heard a lot of gunfire up near tables 1 and 2, and heard the girls at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], begin to "really scream, they were really freaking out." She said when the gunfire stopped she heard the "Do you believe in God?" conversation after which she heard more shots. She knew the second round of gunfire consisted of more than one shot, but couldn't be specific as to number.

Lisa Kreutz pg. 62- 63 said that Val, after being shot, was screaming and "running or crawling away" from the gunman behind their table. The God conversation then occurred and the girls under her table were shot at again.

Jeanna Park pg. 115- 116 doesn't say when Val moved from under the table but does say that after the God conversation Val started to go back under the table where she had previously been.

Val (pg. 135) said after being shot she "fell out from the table" and realized she'd been shot and after the God conversation went back under the table.

thelmar wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

sorry about the zombie thread, but I was reading somewhere that there was a notebook found on the table with the Nixon tape and there were notes from Eric to his family members.. but I honestly don't recall this.

I haven't found anything yet on a note found near the Nixon tape, but I'll keep looking.

I did find something else, and I think you were the one who was wondering this information. The question was, how soon into the attack did authorities realize that Eric and Dylan were the shooters?
According to the dispatch log on pg. 9218, at 12:21 pm it says "Susps [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Eric Harris [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Dylan Kirts" I don't know if this was the very first mention of them, but it's the earliest I've found so far.

Thank you! I know a few of us were talking too about when Eric and Dylan's names were presented on the news, i remember that perfectly... my first thought (I know, forgive me I was 17) was "fuck, eric harris is hot" sighs... I'm sorry.

Screamingophelia wrote:

sorry about the zombie thread, but I was reading somewhere that there was a notebook found on the table with the Nixon tape and there were notes from Eric to his family members.. but I honestly don't recall this.

I haven't found anything yet on a note found near the Nixon tape, but I'll keep looking.

I did find something else, and I think you were the one who was wondering this information. The question was, how soon into the attack did authorities realize that Eric and Dylan were the shooters?
According to the dispatch log on pg. 9218, at 12:21 pm it says "Susps [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Eric Harris [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Dylan Kirts" I don't know if this was the very first mention of them, but it's the earliest I've found so far.

Never thought of putting myself in the shoes of the "jumpers". I figured I would of waited it out even though I would of probably known I wasn't getting out alive. I guess you had a choice: 1. Stay in the building, suffocate, get burned slowly and be crushed by the building or 2. Jump, have a last "rush" feeling and die instantly.

After thinking i'd probably choose [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] but would be terrifying as well

It’s kind of interesting that we are just now getting an ID.

EDIT: Wow, he shot and killed his own sister [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

EDIT [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Betts was a psychology student at Sinclair Community College.

Juicy Jazzy wrote:

Ordered! I also ordered DeAngelis' book, dont judge me. [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

Hopefully Randy Brown's book is released this year too.

Would love to hear your impressions of DeAngelis' book once you read it. I'm sure I'll read it eventually but I'm being petty at the moment and don't really want to finance him [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

I think a book from Randy Brown would be 4th on my list of things I most want to see. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Basement Tapes, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] TV Interview with the Harrises, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the depositions).
Fingers crossed!

Good find! Thank you!

By the description of the second one, it sounds like {#}2{/#} would be the one that would be the most likely to finding the footage. I'm also pretty bummed about them having to sell DVDs instead of streaming it.

thelmar wrote:

bradt93 wrote:

Millenial, I don't want to accuse you of defending bullying, but it sounds like you are. Do you think its fair  2 kids got picked on just for wearing trench coats? I don't think so.

I don't think she was defending bullying. I think what she was trying to convey regarding that particular study was that because of the way the minds of teens work/ are developing, Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might feel that he is the victim of bullies but that he does not bully others. But, if you ask Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who is in the same peer group, he might say that, in fact, Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the bully.
In other words, these teens might not perceive their own actions as being equivalent to bullying even if, in someone else's perception it actually is bullying.

I can see this as being accurate, to an extent. In the same way that I think that sometimes the severity of bullying relies on the perception of the victim. For example, Person [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might think that they are not being bullied badly because they are not being beaten up, they are "just" being verbally taunted. But Person [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might find verbal taunting every bit as painful as a physical beating.
There is the truth and then there is each individuals' perception of the truth. These things don't always/often match exactly and maybe that study is suggesting that during the psychosocial development of teenagers, the reality vs. perception of reality is even more skewed than it is in adults.

Thank you that's exactly what quite a few studies have shown in regards to bullying.

The other point is that bullying comes about from the developmental stage teens are at. As they try to form independent identities but are also at a stage where peer relationships are important as they try to navigate the world around them independent of their families, all combined with hormones and brains that aren't finished developing, bullying comes about.

Also I'm talking about bullying like gossiping, ignoring people, developing cliques. The kind of abusive aggressive physical stuff that was seen at Columbine that Rocky and his ilk committed pre shooting is a totally different situation theres no developmental explanation for that,

However as I've stated numerous times this doesn't make it okay, right or acceptable in any form. I'll keep repeating this as much as I have to if people keep missing it and think I'm somehow defending bullying because I promise I'm not. I do not think bullying is okay or should happen just explaining why for the most part it does.

But its important to look at how and why bullying comes about so that things can be done to help prevent it and replace negative behaviors with positive ones. If you look at the most common forms of bullying as only a moral failing or something similar it's a lot harder to work on proactive solutions in my experience. And my experience is working with high risk youth with my LCSW.

I hope that makes sense.

bradt93 wrote:

Millenial, I don't want to accuse you of defending bullying, but it sounds like you are. Do you think its fair  2 kids got picked on just for wearing trench coats? I don't think so.

I don't think she was defending bullying. I think what she was trying to convey regarding that particular study was that because of the way the minds of teens work/ are developing, Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might feel that he is the victim of bullies but that he does not bully others. But, if you ask Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who is in the same peer group, he might say that, in fact, Teen [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the bully.
In other words, these teens might not perceive their own actions as being equivalent to bullying even if, in someone else's perception it actually is bullying.

I can see this as being accurate, to an extent. In the same way that I think that sometimes the severity of bullying relies on the perception of the victim. For example, Person [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might think that they are not being bullied badly because they are not being beaten up, they are "just" being verbally taunted. But Person [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] might find verbal taunting every bit as painful as a physical beating.
There is the truth and then there is each individuals' perception of the truth. These things don't always/often match exactly and maybe that study is suggesting that during the psychosocial development of teenagers, the reality vs. perception of reality is even more skewed than it is in adults.

COLUMBINE TASK FORCE LIBRARY TEAM EVENT SHEET

 

Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office - Case # 99-7625

 

Library Team: Det. Russ Boatright – APD, Inv. Diane Obbema – JCSO, SA John Elvig – FBI

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is seen walking south past the library window. Observed by Schnurr (LY9).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is seen standing outside the library window (hallway area) with a weapon. Observed by Kreutz (LY1O), Park (LY11) and Nowlen (LY12).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris is seen standing in the hall outside the library throwing a lit device (resembling "dynamite") in a southerly direction. Moments later there's an explosion in the hall directly outside the library. Observed by Todd (LY2).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: As Harris enters the library he is seen firing two gunshot rounds in a westerly direction with a pump action shotgun (pellets). Todd, who is hiding behind the copier stand, is injured by flying wood splinters. Observed by Todd (LY2), Welsh (LG33) and Lapp (LG31).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Both Harris and Klebold are seen entering the library and moving in a westerly direction. Observed by Schnurr (LY9), Kintgen (LY8), Lagos (LG20), Todd (LY2), Eubanks (LY14), Jacobson (LG19), Holliday (LG22), Wyant (LG7) and Johnson (LG16).

 

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is seen shooting the double barrel shotgun (pellets) towards the north computer table as he moves west past the main counter in the library. Observed by Savage (LG25), Houy (LG29), Hall (LY6) and Welsh (LG33). The investigation disclosed Velasquez was shot twice with shotgun pellets while seated at the north computer table.

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris are seen setting down backpacks on the south computer table. Observed by Steepleton (LY5), Greenwood (LG11) Wyant (LG7) and Welsh (LG33).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris are seen walking west between the north and south computer tables. Observed by Pasquale (LG1O), Johnson (LG16), Steepleton (LY5), Hall (LY6) and Fair (LG9).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold stops at the west end of the computer tables while Harris continues and begins walking south. After arriving on the south side of the computer tables, Harris gets down on his left knee and begins shooting out the west library windows. Klebold subsequently positions himself east of Harris and ducks down. Klebold subsequently fires out the west window and then turns south firing his shotgun at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Steepleton, Hall and Ireland are hit with pellet rounds. Observed by Pasquale (LG10), Johnson (LG16), Steepleton (LY5), Hall (LY6), Welsh (LG33) and Greenwood (LG11).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Kleboid is seen dropping his black trench coat on the north side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Observed by Ruegsegger (LY3) and Johnson (LG16).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris is seen shooting Curnow with the pump action shotgun (slug). Observed by Welsh (LG33), Ruegsegger (LY3) and Johnson (LG16).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris is seen shooting Ruegsegger with a pump action shotgun (slug). Observed by Greenwood (LG11), Welsh (LG33), Ruegsegger (LY3) Johnson (LG16), Pasquale (LG10) and Stair (LG6).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris walks to the south side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], slaps the table top twice with his left hand and states, "Peek a boo." Harris then points the pump action shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (held in his right hand) and shoots Bernall (pellets). Observed by Pasquale (LG10), Kirkland (LG13), Cohn (LG12), Wyant (LG7) and Schnurr (LY9).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: After shooting Bernall, Harris turns to Pasquale and asks her if she wants to die. Pasquale observes blood begin to flow from Harris’ nose. Observed by Pasquale (LG10), Wyant (LG7), Scott (LG15), Johnson (LG16), Hall (LY6) and Cohn (LG12).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is seen firing a shotgun (pellets) back at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Ireland as he attempts to administer first aid to Hall. Observed by Steepleton (LY5), Hall (LY6), Kirkland (LG13), Pasquale (LG10) and Ireland (LY7).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Shoels is observed scooting backwards to the east while under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Klebold moves to the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and is seen grabbing Shoels in an effort to pull him from under the table. Observed by Scott (LG15) and Park (LG14).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris moves towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (from the west) and fires the pump action shotgun (slug) shooting Shoels. Observed by Pasquale (LG10) and Salmon (LG8).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is observed firing a double barrel shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] from the east side, shooting Kechter with a slug. Observed by Park (LG14).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: While standing to the west of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Harris is seen throwing a device referred to as a "cricket" in a southerly direction. The device rolled under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making contact with Steepleton's body. The device is retrieved by Hall and thrown in a southerly direction where it explodes south of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Observed by Steepleton (LY5), Hall (LY6), Pasquale (LG10) and Greenwood (LG11).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Smoke is seen rising from the abdominal area of Kechter under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Note: This is the area that Harris was standing when he threw the "cricket" and there is a clear match strike mark on top of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Observed by Salmon (LG8), Fair (LG9) and Scott (LG15).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris moves south to the west bookshelves where he jumps on the shelves and begins shaking them back and forth. Harris then walks between the bookshelves moving in an easterly direction. Observed by Pasquale (LG10).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris walks north between the west bookshelves. He fires shots southward at the bookshelves (pellets). Observed by Parker (LG27), Doyle (LY13), Houy (LG29), Schnurr (LY9), Lagos (LG20), Holliday (LG22), Perez (LG17) and Park (LY11).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold is seen walking on the north side of the library (south of the main counter) moving in an easterly direction. Klebold continues moving east, stopping near the entrance to the library (north of display case). Klebold then fires the Tec9 into the display case. Observed by Greenwood (LG 11), Kintgen (LY8), Lapp (LG31), Welsh (LG33) and Perez (LG17).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold moves back around the display case and fires one double barrel shotgun round (pellets) under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Kintgen. Observed by Kintgen (LY8), Blair (LG18) and Kreutz (LY10).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold steps east towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and fires one double barrel shotgun round (pellets) under that same table hitting Schnurr and Kreutz. Observed by Kreutz (LY10), Jacobson (LG19), Schnurr (LY9) and Blair (LG18).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold walks south along the west side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] firing multiple rounds (rapid fashion) with the Tec9 under that same table hitting Townsend. Observed by Blair (LG18) and Perez (LG17).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris seen entering the east section of the library (near table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) from a pathway between the book shelves. Observed by Jacobson (LG 19).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold moves west of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] near Harris after which one of the suspects looks under that same table and states, "Pathetic." Observed by Jacobson (LG19) and Blair (LG18).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris move south to table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] where reloading occurred and one of the suspects then taunts Schnurr regarding God. Observed by Ball (LG23), Schnurr (LY9), Jacobson (LG19), Blair (LG18), Savage (LG25), Holliday (LG22), Kintgen (LY8), Nielson (LY1), Scott (LG15), Lapp (LG31), Todd (LY2), Elmore (LG26), Nowlen (LY12), Welsh (LG33), Bollerud (LG32), Kreutz (LY10), Park (LY11) and Steepleton (LY5).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris steps east towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and points the pump action shotgun under that table firing twice (pellets) hitting Nowlen and Tomlin. Observed by Nowlen (LY12).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold moves south/east past table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and stands near Tomlin (now lying east of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) where he then shoots Tomlin four times with the Tec9. Observed by Nowlen (LY12).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris moves northeast of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and shoots Fleming once with the pump action shotgun (pellets). From the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Harris fires the pump action shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Townsend, Park, and Kreutz with pellets. Observed by Savage (LG25), Blair (LG18), Kreutz (LY10), Schnurr (LY9) and Park (LY11) and Perez (LG17).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris goes to the south library windows and looks out into the south parking lot (damaging the blinds, identified as W15 on the diagram). Observed by Jacobson (LG19), Elmore (LG26) and Lagos (LG20).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris pass through the east side book shelves into the center section. Both suspects stand near table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] where reloading occurs. Observed by Holliday (LG22), Ball (LG23), Doyle (LY13), Eubanks (LY14), Lagos (LG20), Huntington (LG22), Savage (LG25), Lapp (LG31), Welsh (LG33) and Woodman (LG28).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris walks north to the south computer table to gain access to the blue backpack reportedly containing ammunition. Harris then returns to the area near tables [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Observed by Savage (LG25), Parker (LG27), Welsh (LG33) and Johnson (LG16).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris asks the student under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to identify himself. The student identified himself as John Savage. Harris moves north of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as Klebold contacts Savage. Klebold eventually tells Savage to leave the library, which he does. Observed by Savage (LG25), Eubanks (LY14), Ball (LG23), Doyle (LY13), Huntington (LG21), Holliday (LG22), Greenwood (LG11), Lapp (LG31). Elmore (LG26), Parker (LG27), Woodman (LG28), Bollerud (LG32), Houy (LG30), Perez (LG17), Lagos (LG20) and Hall (LY6).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: While standing north of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Harris shoots Mauser twice with the High Point rifle. Mauser is located under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Observed by Blair (LG18), Jacobson (LG19), Lapp (LG31), Elmore (LG26) and Parker (LG27).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris and Klebold move to the south (towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]). Klebold fires at least one round (with the Tec9) under that table hitting DePooter. Harris then fires at least two rounds (with the high point carbine rifle) under the same table hitting DePooter and Doyle. A fourth 9 mm round was fired under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Eubanks, the origin of that round cannot be determined. Observed by Eubanks (LY14), Ball (LG23), Parker (LG27) and Doyle (LY13).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: KIebold and Harris move north in the center section and are seen on the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Klebold and Harris then proceed to the southeast corner of the far south computer table. Observed by Lapp (LG31) and Welsh (LG33).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Harris is seen in the west section of the library throwing a device containing an orange liquid toward the south. Observed by Welsh (LG33).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold walks around behind the main counter from the west, while Harris walks around the counter from the east. Observed by Lapp (LG31) Todd (LY2), Fair (LG9) and Nielson (LY1).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold confronts and threatens Todd who now was hiding behind the main counter. Observed by Todd (LY2), Nielson (LY1) and Greenwood (LG11).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: The investigation shows Klebold shoots back into the "kitchen" area of the library with the Tec9 hitting the TV.

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris discuss leaving the library and going to the "Commons." Prior to leaving, Klebold slams a chair down on a computer located on the main counter. Observed by Todd (LY2), Nielson (LY1) and Jacobson (LG19).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Klebold and Harris leave the library. Observed by Todd (LY2), Nielson (LY1), Jacobson (LG19) and Schnurr (LY9).

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Most victims and witnesses begin to leave the library exiting out the north door.

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Nielson crawls into the break room and hides in a cupboard. Ireland, who is seriously injured, crawls from Table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to the west window. Ireland pulls himself up and falls out the window into the hands of SWAT.

 

Event [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Weld and Kean were hidden in the television studio. Dodd was hidden in the Periodicals Room. Nielson was hidden in the break room. Kreutz was lying seriously injured under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. All the above remained in the library until they were evacuated by SWAT. SWAT discovered the bodies of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris near the bookshelves in the southwest corner of the library.