Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today

If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

aubre wrote:: If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

Bingo. There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic.. E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood. As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day. Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week. The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing. The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened.. but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.

I'm not sure that I can agree they had a lackadaisical approach to E &D's comings and goings.
When most of this planning was going on E &D were 16 and 17 years old.
Most kids that age have a certain measure of freedom.
E &D did have curfews and they were reasonable. E &D definitely weren't out running around at 3 or 4 in the morning unless they sneaked out. They were punished for breaking curfew.
Dylan was grounded for this in the last few weeks before his death.

E &D had been in some trouble at school and with the break in and I think their parents were concerned for a while but really it wasn't that serious.
IMO there was nothing in their records to presage something like the shooting was coming. I think that Eric's dad kept that diary because he was concerned that Eric would keep getting in trouble for petty crimes and ruin his future about getting a job or getting into college.
I do not think he was concerned about Eric committing an act of violence until the day of the shooting when he likely came home to a house smelling of gas, gun parts strewn on his son's
dresser and put two and two together.
People have criticized E and D's parents for not separating them for good after the van break in or not punishing them more harshly for that, but unless there are things not known, I don't see their actions as
neglectful .
I think there were mistakes made and maybe E &D didn't get what they needed in some ways from their parents but it seems their folks did the best they could. I don't think they ever saw the potential for such violence in their son.

aubre wrote:: If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

FatherofTwo,
I would like to hear from a parent or parents who are have or are willing to keep an open mind and not just blindly condemn E &D's parents as most do, what knowing the knowledge we are aware they had at the time what E &D's parents failed to do or should have done differently.
Thanks for sharing the anecdotes about Jeff's dad.
His devotion to his son until the end was touching and couldn't have been easy.
It's hard to imagine what he and the family must have went through.

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aubre wrote:: If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

Bingo. There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic.. E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood. As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day. Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week. The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing. The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened.. but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.

Trench is back and never fails to disappoint with his lack of sympathy and understanding:

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I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.

Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

aubre wrote:: I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.

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Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

aubre wrote:: I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.

What's his deal though, was he somehow personally effected by it? He's not a particularly good writer, I mean seriously how many times are you going to use the word scumbag, come up with something else.

This is what I heard back then. Trench had a poetry site up at the time of the shooting called The Trenchcoat and it was full of "dark" poetry. The media came across it and thought it was associated with the TCM and published stories about it which offended Trench.
He claimed he got hate mail because of this and he has been on a crusade against E &D, their parents, and any and all of their sympathizers ever since. I know next to nothing about his old site so I can't tell you anything about it firsthand.
He has toned it down over the last few years but its still ongoing.
He also has crusades against any school shooter or shooter and the West Memphis Three. He has a burning hatred for Damien Echols and is convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt they are guilty.
Many WM3 supporters have argued with him for years but got nowhere.

Trench is about the biggest Columbine troll I have seen on the internet.

I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).

Trenchcoat was a member here at one point in time. He was banned though for leaving profanity messages directed towards the moderators.

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@ Jenn: sounds a bit like: Adorno has sided with Marx and Engels - just to vote for the republicans (or confederates, actually).

In this case, Holzkamp would have written his pieces of work - just to make Ute Osterkamp really angry ( - like "-and that's gettin' really old jokes") - while makin' others sick.
"you are a free human in a land of the free. your pursuit of happiness is, what I will have come true, when your election will be a win-win for all of us. what can we all do for the united states? what are your personal American dreams like?

No matter, whether you are from 5 th mile road (like in "Cal"), a great ballet dancer (like in "Billy Elliot") or even part of the LGBTIQ plus POC community - while strugglin' in a trailer park like livin' and workin space.
you live - you learn - you entertain 'em - they will catch the most of you (maybe not 200 % - maybe less).

However - people! - wheter you decide to vote for that one, these ones or do it yourselves - just like this - (...)"

okay, maybe neither TC(M) (R), nor lilly pharma's (up-comin') products are gonna make the great depression of financial crisis' so-calles losers and lost cold cannon cameras (and there (be)holders) and all there (former and also following) beloved ones, lovers, haters, believers, disbelievers and shintos and the ones bein' (probably) agnostic ones and even nihilists (like me for example) - this posting is (like usually) not meant to be an inaugurational speech(y) throw up.

just countin' towls for good and once - death will be (better than living hell - possibly -? I don't know.
Nonetheless, no harm intended, hmkay?)

Nevermind as kinda leitmotive - yo.
greetz and see ya, before the bitter end will even occur - yo

Nightshiftstalker

by the way - I still do love the US - for cryin' out loud - and rap - yo. What a Face

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That sounds like Trench.

Jenn wrote:: Trenchcoat was a member here at one point in time. He was banned though for leaving profanity messages directed towards the moderators.

I can only assume that he believes what he says because he has been at this for so long.
That and we aren't the only people he has a crusade against but in the end, who knows?

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:: Trench is about the biggest Columbine troll I have seen on the internet.

I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).

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That sounds like Trench.

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Jenn wrote:

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That sounds like Trench.

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I'm extremely excited regarding this book. I can only imagine the horror she and her family suffered. They also lost a child, and to add to that loss..the constant questioning and blame game.

Going to pre order asap.

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as soon asmy paypal acc is gonna workin', I' pre-ordering or order her book as well - yo.

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Nightshiftstalker wrote:: as soon asmy paypal acc is gonna workin', I' pre-ordering or order her book as well - yo.

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I hope she doesn't just spout the whole "Dyl was just a follower" or "Everyone agrees Eric was a sociopath, Dylan just wanted to commit suicide" spiel...I'd think the best way to heal would be honesty in her thoughts to the public..then again, it's probably much easier to accept that he followed out of suicidal reasoning..I can't imagine the loss of a child, so I guess if her usual stance in past interviews, etc helps her live through the nightmare, I can understand.

I will preorder her book as soon as possible.

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It will be very interesting to see her interview with Diane Sawyer as well.

I'm very interested in it, not to just gain new insights into Dylan, I don't expect she has much to offer apart from seemingly normal childhood experiences. But just to read her thoughts about it as someone who was so close to him and has tried so hard to understand him.

The picture of Sue on the book jacket

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This could either be an enormous insight into the life of Dylan (and Eric), or it could be a whole lot of bias, opinions, and maybe even lies to (not disrespect to the woman but you gotta consider) protect Susan/put her in a better light. Either way it will be very interesting I'm sure.

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eli27 wrote:: This could either be an enormous insight into the life of Dylan (and Eric), or it could be a whole lot of bias, opinions, and maybe even lies to (not disrespect to the woman but you gotta consider) protect Susan/put her in a better light. Either way it will be very interesting I'm sure.

1/3 about Dylan and 2/3 about life after the shooting imo.

Wow, can't believe how fast time flies. Only 37 days left now until release.

I haven't ordered it yet though. I think I might buy it as an E-book or wait for a few people to read it first so I know if it is just bullshit or if it actually is informative.

If you look at the Amazon listing of the book, Susan Klebold is listed as the reader on the audiobook version too. That must have taken a lot of emotional strength not to just break down constantly and even be able to get through it. My goodness.

Is the TV interview scheduled yet?

1891 wrote:: Is the TV interview scheduled yet?

Here is an article about that. It says that the interview with Diane Sawyer will coincide with the release of the book which is February 16th. I'm not sure if the interview is on the same day or within a few days following the book release, but this article implies that it will definitely be around the same time. Once there is a definite date and time, I'll post it in the thread or if anyone else has that information, please let us know.

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Cool. Thanks Smile

I preordered this last July. I'll let you guys know how it is. I'm sure I'll read it in nearly one seating

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The new cover looks a lot better than the old one.

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Her interview is going to be shown on 20/20 next Friday, February 12! Smile

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Juicy Jazzy wrote:: The new cover looks a lot better than the old one.

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still awful tho lol

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I actually liked the first one! This one seems too generic and evokes a young-adult novel feel or something. Even though it's an original picture I feel like I've seen the cover before. I thought the old one was a good juxtaposition with the dark background and kind of bleak font behind the framed photo like you'd see in someone's living room. It seemed to give a glimpse at what the novel would delve into, which I assume will be the struggle of knowing your son's awful crime while grieving as any mother would for her son.

Mean:

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that's horrible journalism.

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Clearly the author of this article has never had or has even BEEN a teeneager. All teenagers hide things from their parents. I don't believe E&D's parents were to blame. Those boys fooled the hell out of them - Eric with his responsible, reliable nature, and Dylan with his gentle, laid back nature. Occasionally they got into mischief, but very few teenagers don't, and none of their actions would have tipped their parents off to something as extreme as a school shooting. Sounds like the author forgot that mass shootings weren't common in 1999.

I read it. Did not like what I read. All the mistaken informations and blaming. Again.

I wonder what the author wanted to communicate by this article? Something like this:
"Dear kids, do not wear dark trench coats. Do not get involved into any suspicious subcultures, dear kids, otherwise you will become school shooters.
Dear parents, do not allow your kids play death video games (oh my, what a great expression!). Dear parents, do control everything your teenage kids do. Dear parents, do read your kids' journals. Dear parents, decide whom your kids should be friends with. Do have hard, cold conversations if your kids commit something bad. Hard, cold conversations do solve the problem.
Dear parents, do not let your kids earn their own money (this journalist seems to not know that the boys had part-time jobs) and do not let them drive their own cars, not even if you can afford it. Otherwise you'll be guilty at raising school shooters."

I really disliked the sarcastic and ignorant judging in this article. And why would this person want Mrs.Harris be there on the book signing? One scapegoat is not enough for them, probably.

Agreed. The article made me a little angry and was full of inaccuracies and is obvious the author didn't really do their research.

Since they're so keen on blaming the parents, then while they're at it they might as well blame E&D's siblings, friends, acquaintances, teachers, and anyone who was ever in contact with those boys, had been in their houses, or overheard/been involved in any suspicious conversations with them. And go ahead and include anyone who ever got a weird vibe from them too. No one saw the massacre coming. And those who did hear suspicious conversations didn't take them seriously, and why would they? It was a different time. Mental health wasn't as relevant as it is now, and people weren't on their toes looking for signs of a potential walking timebomb or wondering when/where the next terrorist attack or mass shooting was going to take place.

The person that wrote that has obviously never raised a child let alone a teenager. I would even like to think that they never were a teen themselves lol jk

There are tons of teens that spend time in their rooms, watching violent movies, playing violent games and listening to dark music that do absolutely nothing. All of these "signs" mentioned are pathetic. It didn't mean anything.

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That article is complete garbage. And the author sounds like someone who knows absolutely nothing about raising a child, let alone a teenager.

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lol wrote:: Both Wayne and Kathy Harris have pretty much written Eric off as a psychopath - they seem to feel that they tried their best, but the kid was mentally broken and hid his true nature from them.

Why do you think that that is writing off Eric? It is very, very difficult to acknowledge mental illness in the family because of the stigma associated with the disease. And why don't you think the Harrises really believed it? I read Cullen's article about the Harris/Mauser meeting and came to the conclusion that these parents loved Eric and felt betrayed by his lazy paychologist, who asdumed that Eric was normal and the parents had nothing to worry about. They knew Eric had mental issues. And we know this beause Eric told Angel at Blackjack that his father assumed he was doing LSD because of his erratic, provocative behavior. . .

Also Eric's parents searched his room and discovered all the weaponry he was collecting over the years. He wrote about this incident in an essay about his arrest. I will never understand why his parents still feel the need to lie for their son. They knew much, much more about Eric than they will ever admit

That might be the reason why they have not come forward. They have way more to hide because they have every reason to feel the most guilt.

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Holy crap, I thought I was the only one not on the Brooks train

jada887 wrote:

LPorter101 wrote:

lol wrote:: Both Wayne and Kathy Harris have pretty much written Eric off as a psychopath - they seem to feel that they tried their best, but the kid was mentally broken and hid his true nature from them.

Why do you think that that is writing off Eric? It is very, very difficult to acknowledge mental illness in the family because of the stigma associated with the disease. And why don't you think the Harrises really believed it? I read Cullen's article about the Harris/Mauser meeting and came to the conclusion that these parents loved Eric and felt betrayed by his lazy paychologist, who asdumed that Eric was normal and the parents had nothing to worry about. They knew Eric had mental issues. And we know this beause Eric told Angel at Blackjack that his father assumed he was doing LSD because of his erratic, provocative behavior. . .

Also Eric's parents searched his room and discovered all the weaponry he was collecting over the years. He wrote about this incident in an essay about his arrest. I will never understand why his parents still feel the need to lie for their son. They knew much, much more about Eric than they will ever admit

That might be the reason why they have not come forward. They have way more to hide because they have every reason to feel the most guilt.

very good post. Regardless of what they did or didn't know and regardless of what they wanted to share the atty's obviously shut them down as they should... but there is evidence the Harris' had plenty of reasons to "hide".

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It's a big leap from having a teenage son who has had some trouble in school,who has had one major run in with the law with a best friend of his, who you know is depressed and has anger issues, to believing he will kill his classmates and himself.I don't see why his parents would have made that leap.
They lost their child too.If they had any inkling of what was to come why wouldn't they have tried to stop it to save their son if nobody else?

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