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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:26 am

If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:14 pm

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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.


Bingo. There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic.. E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood. As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day. Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week. The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing. The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened.. but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:31 pm

I'm not sure that I can agree they had a lackadaisical approach to E &D's comings and goings.
When most of this planning was going on E &D were 16 and 17 years old.
Most kids that age have a certain measure of freedom.
E &D did have curfews and they were reasonable. E &D definitely weren't out running around at 3 or 4 in the morning unless they sneaked out. They were punished for breaking curfew.
Dylan was grounded for this in the last few weeks before his death.

E &D had been in some trouble at school and with the break in and I think their parents were concerned for a while but really it wasn't that serious.
IMO there was nothing in their records to presage something like the shooting was coming. I think that Eric's dad kept that diary because he was concerned that Eric would keep getting in trouble for petty crimes and ruin his future about getting a job or getting into college.
I do not think he was concerned about Eric committing an act of violence until the day of the shooting when he likely came home to a house smelling of gas, gun parts strewn on his son's
dresser and put two and two together.
People have criticized E and D's parents for not separating them for good after the van break in or not punishing them more harshly for that, but unless there are things not known, I don't see their actions as
neglectful .
I think there were mistakes made and maybe E &D didn't get what they needed in some ways from their parents but it seems their folks did the best they could. I don't think they ever saw the potential for such violence in their son.


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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:49 pm

FatherofTwo,
I would like to hear from a parent or parents who are have or are willing to keep an open mind and not just blindly condemn E &D's parents as most do, what knowing the knowledge we are aware they had at the time what E &D's parents failed to do or should have done differently.
Thanks for sharing the anecdotes about Jeff's dad.
His devotion to his son until the end was touching and couldn't have been easy.
It's hard to imagine what he and the family must have went through.



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If they made any major errors as parents, it was more do to with the seemingly lackadaisical approach they seemed to have when it came to where and what their kids were doing. But I think a lot of people are like this.
I do have kids, I have two sons 11 and 12 yrs old, almost teenagers {shudders}, and I live in an area that similar to where Eric and Dylan lived, at least from I've gathered. And the parents have blinders on. They're all suffering from a "not my kids" syndrome.

Eric's father seemed to be on top of things, except when he writes "Eric is not at fault".

I'm not blaming them, I feel for them. But could they have been paying more attention, sure. But who would ever think their kids would do something like this.

Bingo.  There is a lot more they could have done, but being realistic..  E&D's parents were pretty solid on the scale of parenthood.  As a parent I can easily admit the circumstances could have been the same for me, nobody thinks the quirky or even troublesome times their child goes thru is going to lead to NBK.

I lived minutes from Jeffrey Dahmer's parents house where he was raised & the area his father resides in to this day.  Had a common friend who worked with Dahmer's father & they went to lunch together 4 or 5 x's a week.  The Dad knew his son was very different, was conscious of the diabolical relationship between his ex wife & son and even knew Jeffrey was likely going to do "something", but never in a lifetime did he expect it to be serial killing.  The father did what he could over time, but in reality what can you do outside of having your child sent to a mental institution & locked in for life?

I've walked in their shoes, I took the situation head on & thankfully nothing has happened..  but despite my efforts it could have if the person of concern had chosen to act upon their anger.  
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:44 am

Trench is back and never fails to disappoint with his lack of sympathy and understanding:

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:57 am

I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:10 am

Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

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I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:17 am

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Funny. I've been aware of trench since not long after Columbine happened and he never seems to change or evolve his stance on anything. For a few years after the shooting he and some friends of his spent a lot of time harassing E &D sympathizers online, getting their websites and blogs taken down and so on.
He would do this even to people 25 ,30 years younger than himself .
After a while he stopped this and just concentrated on his blogs.
From the beginning though, he has never had a shred of sympathy or compassion for the loss E &D's parents suffered. He thinks what happened is partly their fault and they didn't lose anything .

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I come across him from time to time. I don't bother reading his stuff anymore. Ever since I saw him calling the columbiner kids mutants, I can't picture him as anything other than an angry little mutant with stream coming out of his ears typing furiously at his computer.

What's his deal though, was he somehow personally effected by it? He's not a particularly good writer, I mean seriously how many times are you going to use the word scumbag, come up with something else.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:28 am

This is what I heard back then. Trench had a poetry site up at the time of the shooting called The Trenchcoat and it was full of "dark" poetry. The media came across it and thought it was associated with the TCM and published stories about it which offended Trench.
He claimed he got hate mail because of this and he has been on a crusade against E &D, their parents, and any and all of their sympathizers ever since. I know next to nothing about his old site so I can't tell you anything about it firsthand.
He has toned it down over the last few years but its still ongoing.
He also has crusades against any school shooter or shooter and the West Memphis Three. He has a burning hatred for Damien Echols and is convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt they are guilty.
Many WM3 supporters have argued with him for years but got nowhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:13 pm

Trench is about the biggest Columbine troll I have seen on the internet.

I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:52 pm

Trenchcoat was a member here at one point in time. He was banned though for leaving profanity messages directed towards the moderators.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:20 pm

@ Jenn: sounds a bit like: Adorno has sided with Marx and Engels - just to vote for the republicans (or confederates, actually).

In this case, Holzkamp would have written his pieces of work - just to make Ute Osterkamp really angry ( - like "-and that's gettin' really old jokes") - while makin' others sick.
"you are a free human in a land of the free. your pursuit of happiness is, what I will have come true, when your election will be a win-win for all of us. what can we all do for the united states? what are your personal American dreams like?

No matter, whether you are from 5 th mile road (like in "Cal"), a great ballet dancer (like in "Billy Elliot") or even part of the LGBTIQ plus POC community - while strugglin' in a trailer park like livin' and workin space.
you live - you learn - you entertain 'em - they will catch the most of you (maybe not 200 % - maybe less).

However - people! - wheter you decide to vote for that one, these ones or do it yourselves - just like this - (...)"

okay, maybe neither TC(M) (R), nor lilly pharma's (up-comin') products are gonna make the great depression of financial crisis' so-calles losers and lost cold cannon cameras (and there (be)holders) and all there (former and also following) beloved ones, lovers, haters, believers, disbelievers and shintos and the ones bein' (probably) agnostic ones and even nihilists (like me for example) - this posting is (like usually) not meant to be an inaugurational speech(y) throw up.

just countin' towls for good and once - death will be (better than living hell - possibly -? I don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:14 pm

That sounds like Trench.


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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:21 pm

I can only assume that he believes what he says because he has been at this for so long.
That and we aren't the only people he has a crusade against but in the end, who knows?



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Trench is about the biggest Columbine troll I have seen on the internet.

I'm not entirely sure how much of the stuff he writes he really believes himself - I think he just puts it to get a raise out of the Eric and Dylan 'fans' - and it seems he's still got it...

For what it's worth, I think he's a bit of an asshole (despite actually agreeing with him on certain points - not the blaming the parents bit though).
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:26 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:19 am

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:16 pm

I'm extremely excited regarding this book. I can only imagine the horror she and her family suffered. They also lost a child, and to add to that loss..the constant questioning and blame game.

Going to pre order asap.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:31 pm

as soon asmy paypal acc is gonna workin', I' pre-ordering or order her book as well - yo.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:59 pm

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I hope she doesn't just spout the whole "Dyl was just a follower" or "Everyone agrees Eric was a sociopath, Dylan just wanted to commit suicide" spiel...I'd think the best way to heal would be honesty in her thoughts to the public..then again, it's probably much easier to accept that he followed out of suicidal reasoning..I can't imagine the loss of a child, so I guess if her usual stance in past interviews, etc helps her live through the nightmare, I can understand.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:09 am

I will preorder her book as soon as possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:44 pm

It will be very interesting to see her interview with Diane Sawyer as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:23 pm

I'm very interested in it, not to just gain new insights into Dylan, I don't expect she has much to offer apart from seemingly normal childhood experiences. But just to read her thoughts about it as someone who was so close to him and has tried so hard to understand him.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:11 pm

The picture of Sue on the book jacket

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:36 am

This could either be an enormous insight into the life of Dylan (and Eric), or it could be a whole lot of bias, opinions, and maybe even lies to (not disrespect to the woman but you gotta consider) protect Susan/put her in a better light. Either way it will be very interesting I'm sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:39 am

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This could either be an enormous insight into the life of Dylan (and Eric), or it could be a whole lot of bias, opinions, and maybe even lies to (not disrespect to the woman but you gotta consider) protect Susan/put her in a better light. Either way it will be very interesting I'm sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:34 am

Wow, can't believe how fast time flies. Only 37 days left now until release.

I haven't ordered it yet though. I think I might buy it as an E-book or wait for a few people to read it first so I know if it is just bullshit or if it actually is informative.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:57 am

If you look at the Amazon listing of the book, Susan Klebold is listed as the reader on the audiobook version too. That must have taken a lot of emotional strength not to just break down constantly and even be able to get through it. My goodness.
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:01 am

Is the TV interview scheduled yet?
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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:47 am

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Is the TV interview scheduled yet?
Here is an article about that. It says that the interview with Diane Sawyer will coincide with the release of the book which is February 16th. I'm not sure if the interview is on the same day or within a few days following the book release, but this article implies that it will definitely be around the same time. Once there is a definite date and time, I'll post it in the thread or if anyone else has that information, please let us know.

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PostSubject: Re: Title and Release Date of Susan Klebold's Book Announced Today   Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:07 am

Cool. Thanks Smile
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