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PostSubject: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:51 pm

Longtime off-and-on lurker (brought back to read responses to SK's book), first and probably only time poster....hi, y'all.

I don't think I've ever seen this evidence referenced here (please forgive me if I just missed it) and wanted to post it.  There is a pastor in Colorado who is sort of an extreme nutjob, but he runs an interesting radio show. His name is Bob Enyart.  Daniel Rohrbough's dad has been on his show many times and even served as a substitute host. He's played his own personal recordings of meetings with Jeffco public officials, interviewed Randy Brown, and otherwise presented tons of information that I've not seen referenced here.  

The address of the site where you can find this stuff (since I can't post links yet) is kgov dot com.  Just search "Columbine" or "Rohrbough."

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:00 pm

Welcome and greetings!

Thanks for the tip. I don't know if it's in the sound recordings that people have archived, but it would still be valuable. A lot of the Columbine stuff is lost to history due to abandoned websites and misplaced stuff. It's always good to have backup sources.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:04 pm

Thanks, and you're welcome. They're really fascinating. Actually hearing some of the Jeffco officials tell blatant lies is startling. Randy Brown's take on the events of the day and how he handled it, as a parent (goes into Brooks's polygraph and other information too) and as a citizen is pretty intense. It makes me wonder how much of the 11K and other "official" stories are a load of crap.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:04 pm

Just listened to part one of it. Some interestin stuff mentioned like Rachel being shot first but the twelfth to die.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:14 pm

I just realized there's a bunch without the word Columbine, just the word Rohrbough, when he substitute hosts. Listening now to one where he interviews Kelly Fleming's dad.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:05 pm

I've just listened to the 3 "Never Before Heard Columbine Recordings" podcasts, too much Christian propaganda as you would expect, and that Bob Enyart guy [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he was in jail when Columbine happened because he used to hit his child "trying to be a good father" and he proudly proclaims it…

Anyway, those "never before heard recordings" were mostly conversations between the Rohrbough family and Randy West and Kate Battan during the first meeting they had five months after the massacre, when Jeffco was telling them the results of their investigation, so nothing new.

Brian Rohrbough says that he had seen the basement tapes MULTIPLE times, hour after hour, and that he has over 40 pages of notes about them! He also says he has copies of ALL the crime scene pictures, from the victims bodies to little crystal fragments… but that he knows that owning all that is illegal and he has no intention of making any of it public.

Regarding the National Enquirer photo leaks, he says that the source was the police, and that they did it intentionally, as a message to the families, like trying to say "we still have a lot of stuff that can hurt you even more, so stop messing with us and knock it off". And that Jeffco used to release new and sensible material regarding Columbine around the anniversary dates for the same reason, to somehow hurt the victims families.

The radio host, Bob Enyart, who as I said before was in the Jefferson County jail during the aftermath of Columbine, also talks about how he was a "trusty inmate" and that he along with other inmates had to clean the sheriff department offices around 2 in the morning and since there was no supervision they were able to see the crime scene photos kept in there. He states that he only saw "aerial photos" and those of pipe bombs, but remembers that there were photographs circulating among inmates and some of them talking about the bodies pictures and how they felt sick to their stomach after seeing them… When he talks about "photos circulating among inmates" he says that they took the pics out of the sheriff offices to their pads (I guess he is refering to the jail cells), what I wouldn't find hard to believe knowing what we know about Jeffco…
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:34 pm

Well...

It looks like we have a new source : )

Since he's on the radar, I wonder if there's a way to persuade him to divulge some pics? At the very least, I would love to see his notes on the basement tapes. That is; if he's really seen them.

Regardless of what he may or may not have, I bet he has some interesting things to say, above and beyond what comes up on the show.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:29 pm

The Enyart people are pretty web-savvy. If someone who is allowed to put up a direct link, I imagine that the traffic would garner their notice and someone would end up here.

RE: Enyart's claims of being a "trustee." I know nothing about Colorado jails, but that is exactly how it works in the jails where I grew up (the southeastern USA). An inmate who was considered trustworthy would be assigned work duties where they had potential to do harm, nose around, or even escape. In return for this trust, they often got special privileges -- better food, or first pick of the available food, etc. I worked for a couple of attorneys who would let the jail authorities know when a client was trustworthy and deserving of such treatment. So I tend to believe that part of his story, his extreme Christian nutjobbery aside.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:45 pm

Link ahoy: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I have friends who work in LE and corrections, and what you're saying is pretty much spot on. As reprehensible as it might seem, inmates sometimes have access to very private or damaging information. Most of the time, they're kept away from the stuff that can be sold or used to blackmail others. Nobody is perfect though, and I could see county lockup inmates being used to dust the shelves and vacuum the carpet in the offices where the pics would be sitting out for all to see.

At any rate, maybe someone could reach out to these guys and see if they BR wouldn't mind doing a write in interview? It seems like he's more than willing to tel his own story.

I've never been too quick to judge Brian R. for his actions. He was pissed off, and his boy had just been killed. After that, his son's body was left in the elements for two days while JEFFCO fucked up in every different direction. If someone did that to any of my boys, I don't know how I would react either. Couple that with the overly forgiving nature of the community at the time and I could see him being perpetually angry and bitter.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:25 pm

This page has several interesting programs, including Evan Todd discussing the library (haven't played yet) and Mr. Rohrbough discussing Brooks Brown's book (very interesting take on it). I still can't post links but it's here:

kgov dot com/Columbine-massacre-audio-recordings
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:31 pm

This is fantastic.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed May 18, 2016 1:27 am

Thank you OP! Going to check that site out.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed May 18, 2016 3:39 pm

Was Rachel Scott really the twelfth yo die? I've never even heard this theory, I've always heard she died instantly after the second shot but it makes more sense to explain the last of a blood trail when they're dragging her body
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed May 18, 2016 5:16 pm

AFIK, she was the first one shot, and the first to die. It was basically wrong place/wring time for her.

Given how unresponsive she was when they were moving her around, it seems unlikely she would have been a live for that long.

Plus, one of her injuries was a head shot, and another one was heart/lung so that would have been the end no matter what.

Coach Sanders hung on for a long time, which was a tragedy.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu May 19, 2016 8:31 am

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you are correct. Rachel was long dead by the time they moved her.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu May 19, 2016 8:56 am

Thank you for this. I'm checking it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu May 19, 2016 1:37 pm

Fascinating [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ! Thank you for posting this.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu May 19, 2016 5:38 pm

That Evan Todd just pissed me off, hè and that host kept taking about his heroic actions despite being injured himself. He had a few scrapes from a table being shot, other people were practically bleeding to death from multiple gunshot and yet he's making a fuss about some wood chips. Yes I know Dylan taunted him and threatened to shoot him and that must've been terrifying but… at least you're still alive to spout your bs. Maybe I'm being irrational because Evan Todd always seemed like a bully me and just the type of jock that alienated E&D leading up to 4/20.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Thu May 19, 2016 5:46 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] i agree with everything you said. the coverage on Evan pissed me off.
Urgh, like alright calm down people. They're rewarding and treating Evan like he did the magnificent. If anyone could embellish a story it's HIM

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:19 am


I wonder if Enyart has ever commented on his appearance in the official files:

-FBI file, page 6
A 4-21-99 report refers to an online chat by an unknown white female with two unkown individuals on the "Bob Enyart Live" chatroom conducted at 10pm on 4-19. (Redacted screen name) made statements to the effect that something bad was going to happen in Colorado or North Carolina on April 20, 1999. (Redacted) further made references to the holocaust, Adolph Hitler's birthday and a fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:38 am

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I wonder if Enyart has ever commented on his appearance in the official files:

-FBI file, page 6
A 4-21-99 report refers to an online chat by an unknown white female with two unkown individuals on the "Bob Enyart Live" chatroom conducted at 10pm on 4-19. (Redacted screen name) made statements to the effect that something bad was going to happen in Colorado or North Carolina on April 20, 1999. (Redacted) further made references to the holocaust, Adolph Hitler's birthday and a fire.

I've listened to quite a number of episodes and he didn't mention this. And this isn't really involving him directly, just sounds like a chatroom of his radio show with three random people.

sounds like it could just be made-up. Unless there's direct proof of the online convo done on the 19th then, meh.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:43 am

I wonder if someone could fine the chat room log files on the wayback machine? His website has archives going back to 2000, but he may personally have access to files and other archives that go back further.

Either way, his show is probably the best source of new info that we have right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:51 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
I wonder if someone could fine the chat room log files on the wayback machine? His website has archives going back to 2000, but he may personally have access to files and other archives that go back further.

Either way, his show is probably the best source of new info that we have right now.
Well I wouldn't really say it's the best source of new info in an undiscovered evidence sense, but it's a good insight to the lives of Brian Rorhbough after Columbine and a little of Randy Brown, Danny's stepdad, Kelly's father, where they come on the show and talk amongst themselves, about jeffco, about the things they went through. It's a good listen if you have time and you wanna hear things from a parent's point of view and what they had to do to get dirt from the police.
For me I actually enjoyed it.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:55 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
I wonder if someone could fine the chat room log files on the wayback machine? His website has archives going back to 2000, but he may personally have access to files and other archives that go back further.

Either way, his show is probably the best source of new info that we have right now.

I looked and found 3 references in 1999, 2 in feb and 1 from April 20. the 2 in feb do not have anything to do with Columbine. But I am not proficient at using the wayback website. So someone else may find something else
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:12 pm

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Link ahoy:  http://kgov.com/


Are these on youtube, or on another site?

The links on that site are gone.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:14 pm

Well, found them.  Cool


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Now someone can upload them to youtube.


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PostSubject: Re: Evidence I Haven't Seen Referenced Here   Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:24 pm

The links are still on kgov

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